FiremanRyan said:going by your logic, no American should be able to complain about the war in Iraq because they arent Iraqi. in fact, i dont think men get enough say in this.
Surely you can see that it is absurd for anyone to tell a woman what to do? For example, using your "logic" let's flip it, meaning that if the woman wants to keep the baby but the man wants to abort it, does that mean she has to have an abortion?blogger31 said:You got it right on the nose there. I wonder why a man does not have the right to choice when it comes to fatherhood. Shouldn't he be allowed within a certain time frame to abort his paternal responsibility? As it stands now the woman can decide and the man is basically at the mercy of her decision.
26 X World Champs said:Surely you can see that it is absurd for anyone to tell a woman what to do? For example, using your "logic" let's flip it, meaning that if the woman wants to keep the baby but the man wants to abort it, does that mean she has to have an abortion?
I am 100% sure that a man will NEVER have any legal say in what will always be a woman's choice....
Thats not the point at all its easy to talk about abortoin when your a man because you will never ever actually have to make that decision yourself.FiremanRyan said:going by your logic, no American should be able to complain about the war in Iraq because they arent Iraqi. in fact, i dont think men get enough say in this.
OK let's do flip it. My answer is no, the woman is willing to have the child so the father can just abort his rights and take a hike, and the woman can have the child. I am not quite sure what is so hard to understand here.26 X World Champs said:Surely you can see that it is absurd for anyone to tell a woman what to do? For example, using your "logic" let's flip it, meaning that if the woman wants to keep the baby but the man wants to abort it, does that mean she has to have an abortion?
mikhail said:Thats not the point at all its easy to talk about abortoin when your a man because you will never ever actually have to make that decision yourself.
You cant compare that to iraq at all because its not a personnel issue
mikhail said:You hear people banging on about abortion but i ask this simple question.
Why should a man be able to complain at a women having an abortion who they had nothing to do with.
Its easy for us to say your evil your a murderer blah blah blah but its easy to tell someone off for a pain and a deed you will never ever have to commit yourself.
Although i think if you are the father you should have input how is it anyone Else's decision.
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It has nothing to do with whether its a man or a woman..........Its all about the murdering of and innocent defenseless baby in the womb........If not for that i could care less what a woman does with her body........
mikhail said:You hear people banging on about abortion but i ask this simple question.
Why should a man be able to complain at a women having an abortion who they had nothing to do with.
Its easy for us to say your evil your a murderer blah blah blah but its easy to tell someone off for a pain and a deed you will never ever have to commit yourself.
Although i think if you are the father you should have input how is it anyone Else's decision.
I do not think it's the same thing. When a woman is pregnant the fetus is inside her body. When a couple gets divorced the children are born, not inside the woman.FiremanRyan said:are you saying that if you and your wife were getting a divorce and she wanted to take full custody of the kids that you would just say ok, its a womans choice. i mean afterall, she birthed them right?
Basically, it is to prevent liability, which I am sure you got by now, but I doubt you realize the extent of this in all of society. It isn't in just this country either-it is in a lot of civilized country. Basically, the doctor doesn't want to take responsibility for a procedure when you have a wife. The wife could then sue saying the doc had taken away her liberty of having children and reap in the Doctor's personal money as it is not malpractice, which means huge losses.Busta said:I don't have a link or anything for you but I know some Dude made headlines a couple years ago in Co. when he placed an add in the paper for a Doc. to perform a Vasectomy on him w/o his Wifes permission.
His wife supported his position, by the way.
Navy Pride said:It has nothing to do with whether its a man or a woman..........Its all about the murdering
Navy Pride said:of and innocent defenseless baby in the womb........
Navy Pride said:If not for that i could care less what a woman does with her body........
galenrox said:since when did a man need written permission to get a vasectomy? I need a source on that, cause I find that hard to believe.
FiremanRyan said:well its easy to talk about the need in Iraq for a US invasion when you've never lived there, it isnt personal.
its a loose example but what i meant to say is that if abortion is a women-only issue, then why arent many other things isolated only to those who they effect as well?
blogger31 said:I know Busta has posted some experiences of hitting a wall, but where I live after our third child I was able to get one without my wife ever signing anything. I went to see the doc without her for the consultation and all she did was drop me off for the appt and pick me up. She never had to sign anything. The only time the subject of my wife came up is when the doc asked if we had talked it over, but he never said I needed her permission, or that she needed to sign a waiver.
Busta said:Maybe thats it. I only have 2 kids. They might do it w/o a wife's permission if I had 3 kids.
mikhail said:Thats not the point at all its easy to talk about abortoin when your a man because you will never ever actually have to make that decision yourself.
You cant compare that to iraq at all because its not a personnel issue
TJS0110 said:Not to be insensitive to women, becuase its horrible to have to go through a decision with such stigma as abortion, however theres realy no way you can make an arguement purely out of someones veiwpoint. If the justice system in America worked that way it would only be a matter of telling the judge at your murder hearing that he cant say your guilty becuase he isn't a women or she isn't a man. The whole point of the legal sytem is to be blind to peoples differances so that a fair and impartial decision can be made. I guess i haven't realy made mush headway in this disscusion but i just wanted to say this so that people would stop useing the point of veiw argument.
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