Is homosexuality a sin?

[gboisjo]

the CREATOR for the sole possibility of procreation and nothing more

And science would agree, sex is for perpetuating the species ..feelings of attraction are how we get there. The far out left likes to glamorize this basic, instinctive drive
and color it with a broad brush ..from love all the way to debauchery.

 

[Gordy327]

And science would agree, sex is for perpetuating the species ..feelings of attraction are how we get there. The far out left likes to glamorize this basic, instinctive drive
and color it with a broad brush ..from love all the way to debauchery.

Sex is for more than just procreation.

 

[Daisy]

However, I don't believe the Bible condemns same sex marriage. There's not much evidence for it.

Not true...Jehovah set the standard for marriage early on, in the garden...

"That is why a man will leave his father and his mother and he will stick to* his wife, and they will become one flesh.+" Genesis 2:24

Does the Bible Comment on Same-Sex Marriages?​

The Bible’s answer​

Our Creator established rules governing marriage long before governments began regulating the institution. The opening book of the Bible tells us: “A man will leave his father and his mother and he must stick to his wife and they must become one flesh.” (Genesis 2:24) The Hebrew word “wife,” according to Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, “connotes one who is a female human being.” Jesus confirmed that those yoked together in marriage should be “male and female.”—Matthew 19:4.
Thus, God intended marriage to be a permanent, intimate bond between a man and a woman. Men and women are designed to complement each other so they may be capable of satisfying each other’s emotional and sexual needs and of providing children.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/502012498?q=become+one+flesh&p=sen

 

[Crunchtime]

Please answer my questions first. Are you denying that that is God's Word? And how does being gay harm anyone? And how does it break God's Word?

You’re being evasive. Have you been discipled in church? Do you have a pastor?

 

[Crunchtime]

Show me a Bible verse that supports flying in planes. Does God operate by permission or omission? If it's not specifically condoned in the Bible then is it automatically a sin? Or is it that only the things listed as sin is actually sin?

Do you go to church?

 

[Lursa]

You’re being evasive. Have you been discipled in church? Do you have a pastor?

No, I'm asking you to answer MY questions before asking more of your own.

But I'll help: I was raised in a Protestant church with Sunday School teaching parents and am still a practicing Christian.

Now please do me the same courtesy and answer my questions (see the bold).

Nowhere does God consider being gay a sin. I've asked you...how does it break His Word of compassion, brotherly love, forgiveness, and peace? Where? How? It harms no one. He'd never create people to endure such a thing as being denied love and pleasure and intimacy and partnership and family. And gay people can have all those things...we see it in America every day. That you would deny them that is malicious and cruel. God is neither of those things.​

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And I've addressed the unreliability of the scriptures many times...​

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Any scriptures that go against that Word are misinterpretations of fallible men of the times. Some well-intentioned, some with their own agendas, some just mistaken.​

Are you denying that is God's Word?

 

[Lursa]

When I was young, in my 20's I raised dogs, Doberman Pinschers, partly to protect my small fenced in business. I have first hand experience with dog behavior, whats yours.
Some googled link you cherry picked.

I dont see you posting anything to counter it. It's more of an expression of dominance and (non-sexual) excitement.

Now I cant even believe you raised dogs, that's how bad your credibility is if you didnt know this.

 

[Lursa]

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and other scriptures tell us that the sexually immoral, and others, will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Revelation 21:8 warns that the sexually immoral will be cast into the Lake of Fire. That's a huge problem for the sexually immoral.

The Bible teaches that unrepentant sin, in general, thwarts the blessings of God on individuals and nations. It also can bring judgment on individuals and nations. One of the big sins of Sodom and Gomorrah - which were destroyed by a judgment of God - was sexual immorality. Jude 7 notes: "...Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."



For the record,

"Love does not rejoice in iniquity" - 1 Corinthians 13

And,

"Love does no harm to a neighbor" - Romans 13:10 (Love does no harm to a neighbor, like enticing one's neighbor into a sinful relationship for which there are negative temporal and eternal consequences)

The question was: how does being gay harm anyone?

And you failed to answer that 100%. It's like you werent capable of even reading my post.

Being gay is not a sin, it does not break God's Word of compassion, brotherly love, forgiveness, and peace. You have not refuted this and you are denying God's Word.

 

[Crunchtime]

No, I'm asking you to answer MY questions before asking more of your own.

But I'll help: I was raised in a Protestant church with Sunday School teaching parents and am still a practicing Christian.

Now please do me the same courtesy and answer my questions (see the bold).

Nowhere does God consider being gay a sin. I've asked you...how does it break His Word of compassion, brotherly love, forgiveness, and peace? Where? How? It harms no one. He'd never create people to endure such a thing as being denied love and pleasure and intimacy and partnership and family. And gay people can have all those things...we see it in America every day. That you would deny them that is malicious and cruel. God is neither of those things.​

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And I've addressed the unreliability of the scriptures many times...​

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Any scriptures that go against that Word are misinterpretations of fallible men of the times. Some well-intentioned, some with their own agendas, some just mistaken.​

Are you denying that is God's Word?

First of all I don’t believe the scriptures are unreliable. I believe the Bible literally, and refuse to debate that with you or anyone.

Secondly, the Bible says that homosexual behavior is an abomination.

Thirdly, your understanding of repentance is seriously flawed.

Fourthly, you continue to refer to Gods word of compassion, etc. but attempt to bring contradiction between the Bible and what you say is Gods Word. That makes no sense. What is your source of Gods word of it’s not the Bible?

Fifth, it appears that you limit Gods attributes to compassion, brotherly love, forgiveness, etc. It appears that you ignore that He is also a jealous God, righteous, and holy. He can be, and will be the God who brings wrath on the Earth in much the same way He brought wrath on Sodom. If you read the Bible in the book of Genesis he destroyed Sodom because there were no godly people there. It’s significant that there were homosexuals there who desired to go in unto the Angels of the Lord in Lots house.

What I reject is your personal interpretation of what is Gods Word and what isn’t. That, and your attempt to influence others with your erroneous “teaching”.

Are you still going to a Bible believing church or not? If your parents were Bible teachers I doubt they would accept your position on scripture. They would be sad.

 

[Lursa]

First of all I don’t believe the scriptures are unreliable. I believe the Bible literally, and refuse to debate that with you or anyone.

Secondly, the Bible says that homosexual behavior is an abomination.

Thirdly, your understanding of repentance is seriously flawed.

Fourthly, you continue to refer to Gods word of compassion, etc. but attempt to bring contradiction between the Bible and what you say is Gods Word. That makes no sense. What is your source of Gods word of it’s not the Bible?

Fifth, it appears that you limit Gods attributes to compassion, brotherly love, forgiveness, etc. It appears that you ignore the He is a jealous God, righteous, and holy. He can be, and will be the God who brings wrath on the Earth in much the same way He brought wrath on Sodom. If you read the Bible in the book of Genesis he destroyed Sodom because there were no godly people there. It’s significant that there were homosexuals there who desired to go in unto the Angels of the Lord in Lots house.

I never dismissed the entire Bible...the stories and parables overall present God's Message. Just, not all are accurate, for the reasons I gave you. It's ludicrous to believe the Bible is completely accurate...I guess you dont believe in the proven science behind evolution? Such admissions are an embarrassment to Christianity.

And the overall Message from the New Testament is clear: God's Word of compassion, brotherly love, forgiveness, and peace. I'm sad, for you, that you deny His Word. Your Old Testament-focused hate and anger and desire for punishment are an abomination against His Sacrifice of His Son.

His Word is enough of a challenge to try and follow in this life...and the world would be an incredibly better place if we all could...Eliminating gay people and sex outside of marriage would not change that. They do no harm.

There's no need for invented 'sins' from fallible men of the past or for even semi-intelligent adults of today to give them any credence.

 

[LittleNipper]

No, I'm asking you to answer MY questions before asking more of your own.

But I'll help: I was raised in a Protestant church with Sunday School teaching parents and am still a practicing Christian.

Now please do me the same courtesy and answer my questions (see the bold).

Nowhere does God consider being gay a sin. I've asked you...how does it break His Word of compassion, brotherly love, forgiveness, and peace? Where? How? It harms no one. He'd never create people to endure such a thing as being denied love and pleasure and intimacy and partnership and family. And gay people can have all those things...we see it in America every day. That you would deny them that is malicious and cruel. God is neither of those things.​

​

And I've addressed the unreliability of the scriptures many times...​

​

Any scriptures that go against that Word are misinterpretations of fallible men of the times. Some well-intentioned, some with their own agendas, some just mistaken.​

Are you denying that is God's Word?

how does it (homosexuality) break His Word of compassion, brotherly love, forgiveness, and peace? Homosexuality breaks GOD word of compassion, brotherly love, forgiveness, and peace by in fact not fulfilling the requirements of any of these.
James 5:11
As you know, we count as blessed those who have persevered. You have heard of Job’s perseverance and have seen what the Lord finally brought about. The Lord is full of compassion and mercy.
I John 3:16
By this we know love, that he laid down his life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers.
Ephesians 4:32
Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.
Proverbs 14:30
A heart at peace gives life to the body, but envy rots the bones.

You seem content on defining "family" according to your own desires and not according to GOD's revelation in the Garden of Eden. You define intimacy in terms of sexual gratuity. You equate partnership with the of sex. The Homosexual community is striving to redefine words to suit their purposes. Gay was redefined, marriage is redefined. Anyone who stands in their way is labeled a HATER --- another redefined word. To disagree isn't cruel nor hateful --- it is steadfast, honest, truthful and prudent. And until recently "HOMOPHOBIA" wasn't even a word.

 

[Lursa]

how does it (homosexuality) break His Word of compassion, brotherly love, forgiveness, and peace? Homosexuality breaks GOD word of compassion, brotherly love, forgiveness, and peace by in fact not fulfilling the requirements of any of these.

None of those you listed shows any harm or how being gay breaks God's Word. His Word is quite specific. So...use your own words and explain it please, since we already covered that the scriptures are questionable at best.

You seem content on defining "family" according to your own desires and not according to GOD's revelation in the Garden of Eden. You define intimacy in terms of sexual gratuity. You equate partnership with the of sex. The Homosexual community is striving to redefine words to suit their purposes. Gay was redefined, marriage is redefined. Anyone who stands in their way is labeled a HATER --- another redefined word. To disagree isn't cruel nor hateful --- it is steadfast, honest, truthful and prudent. And until recently "HOMOPHOBIA" wasn't even a word.

No, a family is a group of people that live together in a committed relationship. It can be a couple, it can include relatives, it can include children. And no marriage license is needed. Is a straight married couple with adopted children...a family? Yes or no? Is a straight UNmarried couple with adopted children...a family? Yes or no? Is a gay married couple with children they had biologically (at least one could)...a family? Yes or no? Is a gay married couple with with adopted children a family? Yes or no?

Let's see your answers. And it does demonstrate hate and intolerance to deny others such relationships and respect just because some misguided men a thousand yrs ago made a mistake or intentionally lied in scriptures.

 

[Crunchtime]

None of those you listed shows any harm or how being gay breaks God's Word. His Word is quite specific. So...use your own words and explain it please, since we already covered that the scriptures are questionable at best.



No, a family is a group of people that live together in a committed relationship. It can be a couple, it can include relatives, it can include children. And no marriage license is needed. Is a straight married couple with adopted children...a family? Yes or no? Is a straight UNmarried couple with adopted children...a family? Yes or no? Is a gay married couple with children they had biologically (at least one could)...a family? Yes or no? Is a gay married couple with with adopted children a family? Yes or no?

Let's see your answers. And it does demonstrate hate and intolerance to deny others such relationships and respect just because some misguided men a thousand yrs ago made a mistake or intentionally lied in scriptures.

The only person that’s said the scriptures are questionable is you. What source of Gods “Word” do you use? It appears that you have your own version. I just wonder where you got it.

 

[Lursa]

The only person that’s said the scriptures are questionable is you.

Theological scholars have been saying so since they were written and combined into the Bible.

What source of Gods “Word” do you use? It appears that you have your own version. I just wonder where you got it.

Are you denying what I wrote as God's Word? I've asked you this before. Please answer. I told you...it's the "overall Message" from the New Testament. Despite some failed scriptures. I never said all were wrong.

 

[Crunchtime]

I never dismissed the entire Bible...the stories and parables overall present God's Message. Just, not all are accurate, for the reasons I gave you. It's ludicrous to believe the Bible is completely accurate...I guess you dont believe in the proven science behind evolution? Such admissions are an embarrassment to Christianity.

And the overall Message from the New Testament is clear: God's Word of compassion, brotherly love, forgiveness, and peace. I'm sad, for you, that you deny His Word. Your Old Testament-focused hate and anger and desire for punishment are an abomination against His Sacrifice of His Son.

His Word is enough of a challenge to try and follow in this life...and the world would be an incredibly better place if we all could...Eliminating gay people and sex outside of marriage would not change that. They do no harm.

There's no need for invented 'sins' from fallible men of the past or for even semi-intelligent adults of today to give them any credence.

There’s no need to invent sin. It’s obvious. Sodomy is just one obvious example. God has demonstrated that on numerous occasions. Fallible men received the scriptures by inspiration given by the Holy Spirit. Faith believes, accepts, and obeys. It trusts.

The overall message of the NT is one of salvation, sanctification, and redemption. Homosexuals aren’t eligible for any of it until they repent. Just like all sinners. The devil is a liar, and you have obviously believed his lies. You call that love. Love is telling a sinner the truth. You have no love if you lie to people.

You did answer my questions. Are you in a Bible believing church? Do you have a pastor. Are you being actively discipled?

 

[Lursa]

There’s no need to invent sin. It’s obvious. Sodomy is just one obvious example. God has demonstrated that on numerous occasions. Fallible men received the scriptures by inspiration given by the Holy Spirit. Faith believes, accepts, and obeys. It trusts.

The overall message of the NT is one of salvation, sanctification, and redemption. Homosexuals aren’t eligible for any of it until they repent. Just like all sinners. The devil is a liar, and you have obviously believed his lies. You call that love. Love is telling a sinner the truth. You have no love if you lie to people.

You did answer my questions. Are you in a Bible believing church? Do you have a pastor. Are you being actively discipled?

I've addressed all that. I'm not going to repeat it, sodomy harms no one, it doesnt break God's Word, it's not a sin.

And you didnt answer my question, do you deny that I'm posting God's Word: compassion, brotherly love, forgiveness, and peace? And if so, then how does being gay break that Word? Again, not all scriptures are His Truth...men are fallible.

 

[Logicman]

The question was: how does being gay harm anyone?

And you failed to answer that 100%. It's like you werent capable of even reading my post.

Quit spinning your follies. I already answered that.

Unrepentant gay sex practitioners wind up in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 21:8). No harm there? Wait for it.

Being gay is not a sin, it does not break God's Word of compassion, brotherly love, forgiveness, and peace. You have not refuted this and you are denying God's Word.

Gay sex is a sin and an abomination.

 

[Gordy327]

First of all I don’t believe the scriptures are unreliable. I believe the Bible literally, and refuse to debate that with you or anyone.

That just shows you're close minded.

Secondly, the Bible says that homosexual behavior is an abomination.

Thirdly, your understanding of repentance is seriously flawed.

Fourthly, you continue to refer to Gods word of compassion, etc. but attempt to bring contradiction between the Bible and what you say is Gods Word. That makes no sense. What is your source of Gods word of it’s not the Bible?

What makes you more of an authority on god r the bible than someone else? Even different denominations have differing opinions regarding the meaning of the bible or "god's words."

Fifth, it appears that you limit Gods attributes to compassion, brotherly love, forgiveness, etc. It appears that you ignore that He is also a jealous God, righteous, and holy.

Funny how an omnipotent deity can have all the same petty emotions as humans.

He can be, and will be the God who brings wrath on the Earth in much the same way He brought wrath on Sodom. If you read the Bible in the book of Genesis he destroyed Sodom because there were no godly people there. It’s significant that there were homosexuals there who desired to go in unto the Angels of the Lord in Lots house.

Actually, Sodom & Gomorrah were likely destroyed by a natural event.

What I reject is your personal interpretation of what is Gods Word and what isn’t. That, and your attempt to influence others with your erroneous “teaching”.

The same can be said of you!

Are you still going to a Bible believing church or not? If your parents were Bible teachers I doubt they would accept your position on scripture. They would be sad.

See second statement!

 

[Maccabee]

The Bible doesn't say one thing concerning being "GAY". GOD does reveal about how to be happy.

Proverbs 3:13-24​

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New King James Version​

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13 Happy is the man who finds wisdom,
And the man who gains understanding;
14 For her proceeds are better than the profits of silver,
And her gain than fine gold.
15 She is more precious than rubies,
And all the things you may desire cannot compare with her.
16 Length of days is in her right hand,
In her left hand riches and honor.
17 Her ways are ways of pleasantness,
And all her paths are peace.
18 She is a tree of life to those who take hold of her,
And happy are all who [a]retain her.
19 The Lord by wisdom founded the earth;
By understanding He established the heavens;
20 By His knowledge the depths were broken up,
And clouds drop down the dew.
21 My son, let them not depart from your eyes—
Keep sound wisdom and discretion;
22 So they will be life to your soul
And grace to your neck.
23 Then you will walk safely in your way,
And your foot will not stumble.
24 When you lie down, you will not be afraid;
Yes, you will lie down and your sleep will be sweet.

Exactly. And the wisdom that I found is that the Bible doesn't condemn same sex marriage.

 

[Maccabee]

Do you go to church?

Yes, I do and I have Bible study everyday.

 

[Gordy327]

Exactly. And the wisdom that I found is that the Bible doesn't condemn same sex marriage.

It doesn't condemn slavery or rape either. And some people use it as a source of morality?

 

[LittleNipper]

Exactly. And the wisdom that I found is that the Bible doesn't condemn same sex marriage.

So, you're saying Jesus attended a same sex wedding in Cana?

 

[Daisy]

Yes, I do and I have Bible study everyday.

All for naught if you refuse to acknowledge what it says...

 

[Crunchtime]

That just shows you're close minded.

What makes you more of an authority on god r the bible than someone else? Even different denominations have differing opinions regarding the meaning of the bible or "god's words."

Funny how an omnipotent deity can have all the same petty emotions as humans.

Actually, Sodom & Gomorrah were likely destroyed by a natural event.

The same can be said of you!

See second statement!

It’s your life. Live it like you know what you’re doing.

 

[Maccabee]

So, you're saying Jesus attended a same sex wedding in Cana?

Why are twisting words? I've never stated anything of the sort. All I'm saying is that same sex marriage isn't condemned in the Bible.