Is his Babylon Bee material? - Israel’s Account of Attack on Aid Convoy Raises Wider Legal Questions, Experts Say

[JBG]

Israel’s Account of Attack on Aid Convoy Raises Wider Legal Questions, Experts Say (link, no paywall)

The featured New York Times article basically trashes the IDF for collateral damage that happens in wartime. Excerpts below:

“In the case of doubt as to a convoy or person’s status, one is to presume civilian status,” said Tom Dannenbaum, a professor at the Fletcher School at Tufts University who is an expert on humanitarian law. “And so, attacking in the context of doubt is itself a violation of international humanitarian law.”

Humanitarian aid workers and aid facilities are entitled to heightened protections, because they deliver relief to endangered civilians, said Janina Dill, a co-director of the Oxford Institute for Ethics, Law and Armed Conflict.

“These are civilian vehicles, first and foremost,” she said, referring to the World Central Kitchen convoy.

“They’re also vehicles involved in humanitarian assistance missions, which are specifically protected. The people on these trucks should be presumed to be individuals involved in humanitarian assistance missions, which means they are protected persons.”

Israeli soldiers presumed that some of the World Central Kitchen vehicles were carrying militants, according to the Israeli military’s explanation, even though they had been observed joining an aid convoy, and later departing from a food warehouse.

First of all the presumption of civilian status ignores the fact that terrorist organizations routinely feign civilian status and then hide behind the skirts of women and children. If the IDF observed this doctrine they could never kill Hamas operatives. They don’t wear uniforms. What all of this breathless coverage ignores, as well, is the obligation to pressure Hamas to “stop the war.” This war has been, in any objective sense, started and lost be Hamas. Sadat “stopped the war” in 1977 by journeying to and recognizing Israel, as did Jordan in 1994. Even Kaiser Wilhelm’s Germany similarly “stopped the war” in 1918. The world has no obligation to stop a war so that the loser can continue, with utter futility, to extract a toll on its own soldiers and enemy civilians.

Second, one has to wonder what Jose Andre, World Food Kitchen was thinking or if he had an agenda. Surely, he could have found some other famished part of the world to aid. As it was, when aid is delivered in an active combat zone, one is "dancing in the middle of a three-lane highway."

 

[mrjurrs]

Israel’s Account of Attack on Aid Convoy Raises Wider Legal Questions, Experts Say (link, no paywall)

The featured New York Times article basically trashes the IDF for collateral damage that happens in wartime. Excerpts below:

First of all the presumption of civilian status ignores the fact that terrorist organizations routinely feign civilian status and then hide behind the skirts of women and children. If the IDF observed this doctrine they could never kill Hamas operatives. They don’t wear uniforms. What all of this breathless coverage ignores, as well, is the obligation to pressure Hamas to “stop the war.” This war has been, in any objective sense, started and lost be Hamas. Sadat “stopped the war” in 1977 by journeying to and recognizing Israel, as did Jordan in 1994. Even Kaiser Wilhelm’s Germany similarly “stopped the war” in 1918. The world has no obligation to stop a war so that the loser can continue, with utter futility, to extract a toll on its own soldiers and enemy civilians.

Second, one has to wonder what Jose Andre, World Food Kitchen was thinking or if he had an agenda. Surely, he could have found some other famished part of the world to aid. As it was, when aid is delivered in an active combat zone, one is "dancing in the middle of a three-lane highway."

News flash! You don't have to kill people before you ascertain their status. Your claim is false. Additionally, the idea that Israel can destroy Hamas is also false. If the war was stopped as you claimed, why has Israel gone into Gaza 5 (?) times since the 1980's?

He was feeding hungry people. Over 1 million people in Gaza are experiencing extreme hunger and over 200,000 are already under famine conditions.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

Second, one has to wonder what Jose Andre, World Food Kitchen was thinking or if he had an agenda. Surely, he could have found some other famished part of the world to aid. As it was, when aid is delivered in an active combat zone, one is "dancing in the middle of a three-lane highway."

lol

"What was this humanitarian organization doing in one of the worst humanitarian disasters? What was their agenda, just risking their lives to provide food and water like that for barely any pay?"

They're just selfless people. That's it.

 

[Phys251]

lol

"What was this humanitarian organization doing in one of the worst humanitarian disasters? What was their agenda, just risking their lives to provide food and water like that for barely any pay?"

They're just selfless people. That's it.

To some people, helping out Palestinians is the war crime, while bombing them is not.

 

[JBG]

To some people, helping out Palestinians is the war crime, while bombing them is not.

To some people, Israel defending itself is a war crime.

 

[Somerville]

To some people, Israel defending itself is a war crime.

Israel is beyond the point of "defending itself" as even many Israelis are protesting the actions of the Netanyahu government.

Tens of thousands of Israelis rally in Tel Aviv demanding Gaza hostage deal​

The rallies in Tel Aviv and other cities came after the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) recovered the body of hostage Elad Katzir.

Protesters chanted "elections now", and "Elad, we're sorry", local media reported.

Later, police forcibly dispersed the Tel Aviv crowd.

Anti-government protesters were joined by families of hostages held in Gaza. Demonstrators expressed their frustration with the government's inability to free the around 130 hostages who remain in Gaza, held by Hamas and its allies.
[. . .]
Mr Katzir's sister, Carmit Palty Katzir, blamed Israeli authorities for her brother's death in a post on social media, saying he would have returned alive had they agreed a new truce deal.

"Our leadership is cowardly and driven by political consideration, which is why this deal has not happened yet," she wrote on Facebook.

"Prime Minister, war cabinet, and coalition members: Look at yourself in the mirror and say if your hands didn't spill blood."

Thousands of Israelis Rally in Jerusalem After Four-day March Calling for Release of Hostages​

 

[Serenity]

Second, one has to wonder what Jose Andre, World Food Kitchen was thinking or if he had an agenda. Surely, he could have found some other famished part of the world to aid. As it was, when aid is delivered in an active combat zone, one is "dancing in the middle of a three-lane highway."

You think the WCK are only providing aid in Gaza? Educate yourself. They serve worldwide, including Israel.

Israel, WCK teams partnered with local restaurants across the country, serving meals to people who were displaced from their homes as a result of the October attack and ensuing shelling along the border. As Israeli hostages returned home, we delivered fresh, nourishing meals to the hospitals where they received cheIn ckups and were reunited with their families. While our response has wound down in Israel since acute food needs have abated, we have a large network of restaurants and local partners who are ready to support families should there be a need again.

World Central Kitchen | Feeding families impacted by the conflict in Gaza and Israel

Since early October, families in Gaza, Israel, and Lebanon have been reeling from devastating conflict that has caused profound loss of life and forced millions of people to flee their homes. Innocent families are caught in the middle of the volatile situation. Our teams are committed to...

wck.org

Here we have dedicated people helping others less fortunate and people like you are sitting on their arses whining that they shouldn't be doing it. Then when they are killed, you blame them. Just more disgusting victim blaming.

Secondly, who the hell are you to insinuate someone has an agenda because they have the audacity to be involved in an aid agency whose primary focus is to feed starving people? Their agenda is to help people. Oh the horror. They have humanity. Clearly something you are lacking in when you consider the garbage you have written up there.

 

[joluoto]

Don't worry, I am sure World Food Kitchen will be labelled as a Terrorist Organization by tomorrow.

 

[NWRatCon]

Israel’s Account of Attack on Aid Convoy Raises Wider Legal Questions, Experts Say (link, no paywall)

The featured New York Times article basically trashes the IDF for collateral damage that happens in wartime. Excerpts below:

First of all the presumption of civilian status ignores the fact that terrorist organizations routinely feign civilian status and then hide behind the skirts of women and children. If the IDF observed this doctrine they could never kill Hamas operatives. They don’t wear uniforms. What all of this breathless coverage ignores, as well, is the obligation to pressure Hamas to “stop the war.” This war has been, in any objective sense, started and lost be Hamas. Sadat “stopped the war” in 1977 by journeying to and recognizing Israel, as did Jordan in 1994. Even Kaiser Wilhelm’s Germany similarly “stopped the war” in 1918. The world has no obligation to stop a war so that the loser can continue, with utter futility, to extract a toll on its own soldiers and enemy civilians.

Second, one has to wonder what Jose Andre, World Food Kitchen was thinking or if he had an agenda. Surely, he could have found some other famished part of the world to aid. As it was, when aid is delivered in an active combat zone, one is "dancing in the middle of a three-lane highway."

That's is an incredible pile of ignorant bullshit you've posted there. Virtually everything you've claimed is false and contrary to international humanitarian law. Maybe you should have sought to understand the subject of the article before posting?

 

[NWRatCon]

lol

"What was this humanitarian organization doing in one of the worst humanitarian disasters? What was their agenda, just risking their lives to provide food and water like that for barely any pay?"

They're just selfless people. That's it.

A concept foreign to certain people.

 

[coyote505]

You think the WCK are only providing aid in Gaza? Educate yourself. They serve worldwide, including Israel.



Here we have dedicated people helping others less fortunate and people like you are sitting on their arses whining that they shouldn't be doing it. Then when they are killed, you blame them. Just more disgusting victim blaming.

Secondly, who the hell are you to insinuate someone has an agenda because they have the audacity to be involved in an aid agency whose primary focus is to feed starving people? Their agenda is to help people. Oh the horror. They have humanity. Clearly something you are lacking in when you consider the garbage you have written up there.

Not questioning that Chef Andres' heart is in the right place. When he was in Ukraine, I sent him $1,000. Nothing for Gaza. Until hostages are released, I don't give a damn how many Gazans starve. IDF Screwed Up in not sharing information with their drone unit. Chef Andres was unwise to be running vehicles at night, when WCK decals were not readable by drones.

 

[JBG]

Not questioning that Chef Andres' heart is in the right place. When he was in Ukraine, I sent him $1,000. Nothing for Gaza. Until hostages are released, I don't give a damn how many Gazans starve. IDF Screwed Up in not sharing information with their drone unit. Chef Andres was unwise to be running vehicles at night, when WCK decals were not readable by drones.

Chef Andres' group was dancing on a three-lane highway to make an ideological point. The amount of food they could deliver, with Hamas thefts, was going to be minuscule.

 

[joluoto]

Israel’s Account of Attack on Aid Convoy Raises Wider Legal Questions, Experts Say (link, no paywall)

The featured New York Times article basically trashes the IDF for collateral damage that happens in wartime. Excerpts below:

First of all the presumption of civilian status ignores the fact that terrorist organizations routinely feign civilian status and then hide behind the skirts of women and children. If the IDF observed this doctrine they could never kill Hamas operatives. They don’t wear uniforms. What all of this breathless coverage ignores, as well, is the obligation to pressure Hamas to “stop the war.” This war has been, in any objective sense, started and lost be Hamas. Sadat “stopped the war” in 1977 by journeying to and recognizing Israel, as did Jordan in 1994. Even Kaiser Wilhelm’s Germany similarly “stopped the war” in 1918. The world has no obligation to stop a war so that the loser can continue, with utter futility, to extract a toll on its own soldiers and enemy civilians.

Second, one has to wonder what Jose Andre, World Food Kitchen was thinking or if he had an agenda. Surely, he could have found some other famished part of the world to aid. As it was, when aid is delivered in an active combat zone, one is "dancing in the middle of a three-lane highway."

So you are saying the aid convoy was terrorists. I knew they would be branded as terrorists as soon as I heard they were attacked.

 

[JBG]

So you are saying the aid convoy was terrorists. I knew they would be branded as terrorists as soon as I heard they were attacked.

That is NOT what I said at all. What I said was that the WAC was heading into a danger zone. That is obvious.

 

[samiam5211]

Israel’s Account of Attack on Aid Convoy Raises Wider Legal Questions, Experts Say (link, no paywall)

The featured New York Times article basically trashes the IDF for collateral damage that happens in wartime. Excerpts below:

First of all the presumption of civilian status ignores the fact that terrorist organizations routinely feign civilian status and then hide behind the skirts of women and children. If the IDF observed this doctrine they could never kill Hamas operatives. They don’t wear uniforms. What all of this breathless coverage ignores, as well, is the obligation to pressure Hamas to “stop the war.” This war has been, in any objective sense, started and lost be Hamas. Sadat “stopped the war” in 1977 by journeying to and recognizing Israel, as did Jordan in 1994. Even Kaiser Wilhelm’s Germany similarly “stopped the war” in 1918. The world has no obligation to stop a war so that the loser can continue, with utter futility, to extract a toll on its own soldiers and enemy civilians.

Second, one has to wonder what Jose Andre, World Food Kitchen was thinking or if he had an agenda. Surely, he could have found some other famished part of the world to aid. As it was, when aid is delivered in an active combat zone, one is "dancing in the middle of a three-lane highway."

The IDF is trash.

 

[NWRatCon]

Chef Andres' group was dancing on a three-lane highway to make an ideological point. The amount of food they could deliver, with Hamas thefts, was going to be minuscule.

That's just bullshit. Ask the starving people getting the food.

 

[NWRatCon]

That is NOT what I said at all. What I said was that the WAC was heading into a danger zone. That is obvious.

Not really, that pretty much is what you said. You tried to argue that "The featured New York Times article basically trashes the IDF for collateral damage that happens in wartime.". No, it doesn't. YOU are deliberately and deceptively mischaracterizing the story to further an ideological view that is inconsistent with the law. In short, it's a lie.