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Is Hillary done?

Dirt Sands said:
Dude, I'm a Hillary genious. I know inmate (somewhat) things about her you can't Google. My point was that, generally people did not know what she stood for. That knew what she was against. The slogan for her should have been "Unleash Hillary. She's too calculating and lacks political instincts. I was wrong about her in one regard, I thought she was a politician but she was not. She would have been a great POTUS, but was a bad candidate.

I don't know her platform...please!

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Excuse me, as a manager Hillary was as bad as it gets almost.

She would have done horribly as president.

She has no skills.

ALMOST

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Hawkeye10 said:
Excuse me, as a manager Hillary was as bad as it gets almost.

She would have done horribly as president.

She has no skills.

ALMOST

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She might have some management skills--after all, she managed Bill--but she has absolutely no political skills, unlike Bill.

Trump: "We'll Kick the rust off the rust belt."

Hillary: "I'm not Trump."
 
calamity said:
Candidates do not manage their own campaigns. She managed Bill's though, brought in Carville. And, he rocked the vote--literally.
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Sure they do, the buck stops with them, they decided the structure and the key people and they are responsible for the result.

Remember Healthcare? Another Hillary management disaster, not all her fault but much of what went wrong was pushed by her, and she can be a bitch. Dick Morris said long ago that after that Bill Lightly trusted her management acumen, to the point that it was a problem in their marriage, a judgment that was proven right again the last go as he was lightly and poorly used, and as almost everything he said was blown off by "Hillary's people", even though listening to Bill might well have saved the campaign.

This is the incompetent bitch the DNC did everything they could do to coronate.

And we are supposed to trust them now?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Sure they do, the buck stops with them, they decided the structure and the key people and they are responsible for the result.

Remember Healthcare? Another Hillary management disaster, not all her fault but much of what went wrong was pushed by her, and she can be a bitch. Dick Morris said long ago that after that Bill Lightly trusted her management acumen, to the point that it was a problem in their marriage, a judgment that was proven right again the last go as he was lightly and poorly used, and as almost everything he said was blown off by "Hillary's people", even though listening to Bill might well have saved the campaign.

This is the incompetent bitch the DNC did everything they could do to coronate.

And we are supposed to trust them now?
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The healthcare debacle is what taught her to be overly cautious with her promises, a deadly problem during a campaign. She was too pragmatic. No one even remembers a single Hillary proposal. I can rattle of a dozen things Trump promised without even using Google.
 
Dirt Sands said:
Who will be the Democratic nominee for POTUS? I get a strange feeling it could be Hillary again. I don't see a successful challenge from the left. The opposite of Trump isn't a liberal, it's a pragmatist. Is there a better pragmatic candidate than Hillary?

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No, she's just getting started. She is the Democrat Party's best chance for 2020.









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Dirt Sands said:
Who will be the Democratic nominee for POTUS? I get a strange feeling it could be Hillary again. I don't see a successful challenge from the left. The opposite of Trump isn't a liberal, it's a pragmatist. Is there a better pragmatic candidate than Hillary?

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PREDICTION: In 2020, Hillary will be on work-release at the DNC and Trump will be the Dem nominee.
 
calamity said:
The healthcare debacle is what taught her to be overly cautious with her promises, a deadly problem during a campaign. She was too pragmatic. No one even remembers a single Hillary proposal. I can rattle of a dozen things Trump promised without even using Google.
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Cautious, insulated, lacking confidence, reliant on the Consultant Class who tend to be more focused on their next payday then they are on what they can do for America..That's were she ended up. But that was not even the main problem, and this was discussed in some detail inside the campaign, the real problem is that the reason she wanted to be President was because it represented success, it was never about doing anything, it was never about America, it was never about us, it was always all about her and her very shallow wants. The best should could come up with that had anything to do with us was "American needs a President with a *****", again very shallow, and also a proposition that huge chunks of America does not agree with, not necessarily because they hate or dont trust women, though Hillary is not the sort of woman who any sensible person would trust. ........Because it is always all about her.
 
Dirt Sands said:
Who will be the Democratic nominee for POTUS? I get a strange feeling it could be Hillary again. I don't see a successful challenge from the left. The opposite of Trump isn't a liberal, it's a pragmatist. Is there a better pragmatic candidate than Hillary?

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Boo! Hillary needs to go away and stay away! Also, I have no interest in her stupid book! The Dems need some new blood and new ideas.
 
Captain Adverse said:
IMO if the Democratic leadership is stupid enough to try with her again...they will just about guarantee anyone else (even Mr. Trump, who has proven he is willing to compromise with the Dems) the election.

She lost on her own lack of merit, and people on the Left really need to realize that.
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Oh, we do! Hillary can go pound sand!
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
If anyone paid attention to her bio her mother taught her never to give up. So, she is not likely to give up. But politically, she is done unless she's willing to be a Senator somewhere.

I think Deval Patrick might be a good choice.

I really liked Corey Booker's speech and the DNC last year.

Finally, I think Elizabeth Warren is the best choice. Hillary should have picked her as a running mate but Hillary didn't want to be overshadowed.
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Elizabeth Warren is too polarizing. We need someone young and cool like Obama was. The current lieutenant governor from CA Gavin Newsom with Tulsi Gabbard as his running mate. That would be a winning ticket. Unless Michelle Obama changes her mind and decides to run - then all bets would be off!
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Cautious, insulated, lacking confidence, reliant on the Consultant Class who tend to be more focused on their next payday then they are on what they can do for America..That's were she ended up. But that was not even the main problem, and this was discussed in some detail inside the campaign, the real problem is that the reason she wanted to be President was because it represented success, it was never about doing anything, it was never about America, it was never about us, it was always all about her and her very shallow wants. The best should could come up with that had anything to do with us was "American needs a President with a *****", again very shallow, and also a proposition that huge chunks of America does not agree with, not necessarily because they hate or dont trust women, though Hillary is not the sort of woman who any sensible person would trust. ........Because it is always all about her.
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I'll buy most of that. One reason I could not vote for her was because I never got the sense that she cared about anything other than being first woman president---and, that includes her decision to stay married to Bill.

Had she left Bill in 2000, went on to become Hillary Rodham, champion of the people, I might have been persuaded. But, all I saw in her was she is probably better than Donald, but not by much.
 
calamity said:
I'll buy most of that. One reason I could not vote for her was because I never got the sense that she cared about anything other than being first woman president---and, that includes her decision to stay married to Bill.

Had she left Bill in 2000, went on to become Hillary Rodham, champion of the people, I might have been persuaded. But, all I saw in her was she is probably better than Donald, but not by much.
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Dontcha think her not only staying with Bill but personally putting effort into attacking the women he abused was again her lack of confidence in herself? Because she is such a well known bitch people seem to take it as an article of faith that she has self confidence, but I think that the opposite is true, that her inner bitch is driven by her lack of confidence, by the fear that she is not good enough, which of course she aint.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Dontcha think her not only staying with Bill but personally putting effort into attacking the women he abused was again her lack of confidence in herself? Because she is such a well known bitch people seem to take it as an article of faith that she has self confidence, but I think that the opposite is true, that her inner bitch is driven by her lack of confidence, by the fear that she is not good enough, which of course she aint.
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I would agree. Anyone with even an ounce of real self esteem would have left that adulterous cad. And, I seriously doubt anyone but the most power hungry or co-dependent would ever defend his actions while attacking his accusers.
 
calamity said:
I would agree. Anyone with even an ounce of real self esteem would have left that adulterous cad. And, I seriously doubt anyone but the most power hungry or co-dependent would ever defend his actions while attacking his accusers.
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Which puts us right back to the D Party Elite and the choices they made, which were catastrophically bad for both the party and the nation, for which not only has no one come forward to apologize for but they tend to deny what they did.

There was no accountability, there is no honesty, which is what we see over and over with the Elite Class generally.

They either did not know how bad Hillary is or they did not care.

EITHER WAY..
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Which puts us right back to the D Party Elite and the choices they made, which were catastrophically bad for both the party and the nation, for which not only has no one come forward to apologize for but they tend to deny what they did.

There was no accountability, there is no honesty, which is what we see over and over with the Elite Class generally.

They either did not know how bad Hillary is or they did not care.

EITHER WAY..
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Clintons had a strangle hold on the DNC. Obama could not wring it away from them--not that he even tried. So, no one from his administration rose to the top. Not even his VP. Plain and simple.
 
calamity said:
Clintons had a strangle hold on the DNC. Obama could not wring it away from them--not that he even tried. So, no one from his administration rose to the top. Not even his VP. Plain and simple.
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The Clintons are gone, dispatched by failure and sleaze, and we know enough about them to know that they will not do the right thing now, but where is the remorse from the others for what they did?

We need that to move on, to trust these people and their system.

If Obama was better it would start with him.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The Clintons are gone, dispatched by failure and sleaze, and we know enough about them to know that they will not do the right thing now, but where is the remorse from the others for what they did?

We need that to move on, to trust these people and their system.

If Obama was better it would start with him.
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Obama was no match for the Clintons.
 
Dirt Sands said:
Who will be the Democratic nominee for POTUS? I get a strange feeling it could be Hillary again. I don't see a successful challenge from the left. The opposite of Trump isn't a liberal, it's a pragmatist. Is there a better pragmatic candidate than Hillary?

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Hillary is never going to run again.

As a side note the opposite of Trump is competence.
 
calamity said:
Obama was no match for the Clintons.
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Agreed but He claims that he wants to do better by the Party....Now would be a good time to start, the Clintons have been found out finally kinda....all hat no cattle....they are leaving whether they want to or not....Like Al Gore.

But you see Obama is very very lazy.
 
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