• Please read the Announcement concerning missing posts from 10/8/25-10/15/25.
  • This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Is Gun Control Such a Bad Idea?

TurtleDude said:
yet another lie. signature worthy stuff from a guy who has also claimed to be a psychologist.
Click to expand...

Prove I claimed to be a psychologist. You just lie and lie
 
Well....the morning is wearing on; I'm off to do some laundry. :2wave:
 
haymarket said:
Since we do not have that, you cannot state this as anything but opinion based on nothing other than belief.
Click to expand...

I told you, it had been accumulated over time in those other forums. But all the state laws are on record and so are the stats, so it wouldnt be that hard to correlate.
 
Don't even have to read your post to say this, it's a terrible idea. But, I did read it so here's what I have to say.

Las Vegas guy = Islam
Islam = a very hateful religion
Hate = anger
Anger = irrational decisions
Irrational decisions sometimes = mass murders
Mass murders = many people dead

You can't stop murders or mass murders they will always happen, no matter what. This may come off as douchey but, people get killed by other people, you can't stop that, that's life and life is a b****. And technically you can commit mass murder with a knife, you don't need a gun for that. You don't need a gun to kill someone, in fact your own fists can kill someone.
 
Polar Bum said:
And this is the point I am making.....if the purchaser is not carrying in public, why does it matter? If they choose to keep the firearm in their own home or on their property, they need not prove anything to you.

Same as a vehicle....if it remains on their property, they need not show proper training, license, or even insurance if they completely own the vehicle and is not operated on public roads/property.
Click to expand...

They are living in society and society has a right to create the environment they want within the bounds of the Constitution.
 
Lursa said:
I told you, it had been accumulated over time in those other forums. But all the state laws are on record and so are the stats, so it wouldnt be that hard to correlate.
Click to expand...

And without that information to look at, they are worthless.
 
Lursa said:
To you.
Click to expand...

Claims of fact without data or evidence to support it - especially in this case - are worthless to anyone who wants to base a judgment on something more than belief.
 
haymarket said:
They are living in society and society has a right to create the environment they want within the bounds of the Constitution.
Click to expand...

As has been previously stated( and often, though you don't seem to see it), The Constitution and the SCOTUS have already ruled that my rights do not end where your fear begins.
 
Polar Bum said:
As has been previously stated( and often, though you don't seem to see it), The Constitution and the SCOTUS have already ruled that my rights do not end where your fear begins.
Click to expand...

Nobody said they did.
 
haymarket said:
Nobody said they did.
Click to expand...

Are you not advocating for mandatory testing/training before anyone can purchase a firearm to keep in their home?

Or is that limited to CCW?
 
haymarket said:
Claims of fact without data or evidence to support it - especially in this case - are worthless to anyone who wants to base a judgment on something more than belief.
Click to expand...

So here's an image of a spreadsheet I exported and then added the training requirement info. Also added the 7 top states with the highest accidental deaths.

A limitation here (except for the specific 7 states called out from a different report) is the deaths include ALL deaths and that means suicide and crime too, not just accidental. So it's only a partial correlation. But I think it's informative. I can send you a the Excel file as an attachment if you want. List is from 2015, 7 states info from 2016.

Firearms2015.webp

Links that provide all information:

Handgunlaw.us

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ates-high-rates-accidental-gun-deaths-n525621

https://www.jhsph.edu/research/cent...nd-research/publications/PTP-policy-brief.pdf
 
Polar Bum said:
Are you not advocating for mandatory testing/training before anyone can purchase a firearm to keep in their home?

Or is that limited to CCW?
Click to expand...

No, I am not. I am simply responding to the comparison between driving a car and purchasing firearm that another poster brought up and I mentioned that in this area - there is no comparison at all since we require next to nothing for purchasing firearm in most states while we require a great deal if you ant to drive a vehicle on a public street.
 
Lursa said:
So here's an image of a spreadsheet I exported and then added the training requirement info. Also added the 7 top states with the highest accidental deaths.

A limitation here (except for the specific 7 states called out from a different report) is the deaths include ALL deaths and that means suicide and crime too, not just accidental. So it's only a partial correlation. But I think it's informative. I can send you a the Excel file as an attachment if you want. List is from 2015, 7 states info from 2016.

View attachment 67224783

Links that provide all information:

Handgunlaw.us

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ates-high-rates-accidental-gun-deaths-n525621

https://www.jhsph.edu/research/cent...nd-research/publications/PTP-policy-brief.pdf
Click to expand...

Thank you for that work and the information in it.
 
Polar Bum said:
Are you not advocating for mandatory testing/training before anyone can purchase a firearm to keep in their home?

Or is that limited to CCW?
Click to expand...
I am.......
 
haymarket said:
And what if the perp got his hands on a gun that he should not have had? And what if a law could have made it more difficult for him to get one?
Click to expand...

What law would have done that?

haymarket said:
I am sorry for your personal loss. But the reality that you have been so politically brainwashed that you refuse to look at guns as part of the problem tells me that trying to discuss this with you is more or less hopeless.
Click to expand...

Did you ever think that maybe you are the one being brainwashed? The use of guns for violence is not a cause, its a symptom. Why not try and fix the cause? Wouldn't that be better than restricting or inhibiting peoples Rights?

If a car won't start what do you do? Replace the battery or replace the whole car?
If you have an operable tumor do you take out the tumor? Or do you replace whole organs?
If your bike chain becomes too loose do you replace the bike chain, or do you remove a single link in the bike chain to tighten it up?
If your light bulb on your lamp blows out do you replace the light bulb or replace your whole lamp?

I could go on and on and on...But the point is that you don't address the symptoms of what is wrong by addressing the symptoms. You fix the cause. The battery. The tumor. The single link in the chain. The light bulb. Guns are not the cause of violence where guns are used. The cause is the human being behind the guns.
 
Polar Bum said:
Yes, yes......we all know what you want. :coffeepap
Click to expand...

And we all know what you want to. You want everything to stay the same. And if the body count continues to rise it's simply not your problem
 
Kal'Stang said:
What law would have done that?



Did you ever think that maybe you are the one being brainwashed? The use of guns for violence is not a cause, its a symptom. Why not try and fix the cause? Wouldn't that be better than restricting or inhibiting peoples Rights?

If a car won't start what do you do? Replace the battery or replace the whole car?
If you have an operable tumor do you take out the tumor? Or do you replace whole organs?
If your bike chain becomes too loose do you replace the bike chain, or do you remove a single link in the bike chain to tighten it up?
If your light bulb on your lamp blows out do you replace the light bulb or replace your whole lamp?

I could go on and on and on...But the point is that you don't address the symptoms of what is wrong by addressing the symptoms. You fix the cause. The battery. The tumor. The single link in the chain. The light bulb. Guns are not the cause of violence where guns are used. The cause is the human being behind the guns.
Click to expand...

What country should we model ourselves after? Which country has fixed the cause?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom