Is God a SuperHero?

[Daisy]

the Japs

You do realize that is racial slur, yes?

 

[tosca1]

Seriously, go read that book. You will be absolutely shocked by the amount of verifiable evidence that supports my statement... And do not think that this applies just to Christianity by the way. Other mainstream religions are just as guilty of this kind of behaviour.


Joey

Every stripe did that, Joey.

As you yourself had said,

"Hint; Monks, priest and other religious people of status had a habit of writing everything down and keep it in places that were relatively well protected. So a lot of documentation has survived."
Thus, what non-religious people had done thru manipulations, were hardly documented.


You've just given a reason why there are more documentation from religious people, compared to the non-religious.
WHICH doesn't mean that religious people did more manipulations than others.

 

[JoeyJoystick]

Every stripe did that, Joey.

As you yourself had said,

"Hint; Monks, priest and other religious people of status had a habit of writing everything down and keep it in places that were relatively well protected. So a lot of documentation has survived."
Thus, what non-religious people had done thru manipulations, were hardly documented.


You've just given a reason why there are more documentation from religious people, compared to the non-religious.
WHICH doesn't mean that religious people did more manipulations than others.

I never said non-religious people did not manipulate to cause violence. I said that religious people have manipulated the words of their god(s) in order to justify violence. So, at the risk of being wrong here, it also seems very unlikely that non-believers manipulated the word of god in order to justify violence.

And need I remind; 2 Bads, do not make 1 good. Just in case you would like to use that argument as a defence...

Joey

 

[tosca1]

I never said non-religious people did not manipulate to cause violence. I said that religious people have manipulated the words of their god(s) in order to justify violence. So, at the risk of being wrong here, it also seems very unlikely that non-believers manipulated the word of god in order to justify violence.

Non-religious people can manipulate the word of God.

Just look at some of the arguments being given by atheists - using the Bible - to prove their point in this forum!


You think that wasn't done throughout history..........................whenever the non-religious would want to manipulate the religious?


Look how the Pro-Choice uses the Bible to try to manipulate Christians!

Look how Harris tries to manipulate the religious in a subtle way by saying, you don't have to abandon your faith to agree with us!
Of course, you do!
Supporting Harris' policies, means to disregard the stipulations of Christ.


Therefore - to single out the religious regarding manipulations of the word of GOD, isn't accurate an argument....................................... RIGHT?

And need I remind; 2 Bads, do not make 1 good. Just in case you would like to use that argument as a defence...

Joey

I've asked you these, and I'll ask them again:


with UKRAINE right now - how do you think Ukriane should've handled it when Russia came to invade?



If ISIS comes to the shores of the USA.........................do you want to make a concession with them?
To avoid any violence - are you willing to embrace Sharia law?


Will you be willing to embrace SHARIA LAW?





Bottom line:


It's well and good to think of ways to reach a peaceful agreement.
But - it depends on the situation or the circumstances surrounding it, right?

There is a time for negotiations...................for all the non-violence attempt at reaching a solution.
But, there's also a time for war. When you'll have to resort to........................violence.

 

[tosca1]

I said that religious people have manipulated the words of their god(s) in order to justify violence.
Joey

First of all, you can't paint everyone with that brush.
It depends on individual cases.




I hope you're not suggesting that going to war is forbidden in the Bible?


How can going to war be forbidden in the Bible, and yet GOD stipulates for us to obey authorities?
That would be a conflict.



When Jesus talked to a centurion - there never was a rebuke for the officer about killings, or even a suggestion that the officer should leave the military, and get another career.


Luke 7
6 And Jesus went with them. When he was not far from the house, the centurion sent friends, saying to him, “Lord, do not trouble yourself, for I am not worthy to have you come under my roof.
7 Therefore I did not presume to come to you. But say the word, and let my servant be healed.
8 For I too am a man set under authority, with soldiers under me: and I say to one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes; and to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”

9 When Jesus heard these things, he marveled at him, and turning to the crowd that followed him, said, “I tell you, not even in Israel have I found such faith.”
10 And when those who had been sent returned to the house, they found the servant well.




Just like Jesus (who's under the Authority of His Father), the centurion answers to the authority of his superiors, and he also has others under him.






You should read the whole chapter of NEHEMIAH 4.

Bible Gateway passage: Nehemiah 4 - English Standard Version

Opposition to the Work - Now when Sanballat heard that we were building the wall, he was angry and greatly enraged, and he jeered at the Jews. And he said in the presence of his brothers and of the army of Samaria, “What are these feeble Jews doing? Will they restore it for themselves? Will they...

www.biblegateway.com

And........................the many cases in the Old Testament when God led Israel to war.

 

[tosca1]

I never said non-religious people did not manipulate to cause violence. I said that religious people have manipulated the words of their god(s) in order to justify violence. So, at the risk of being wrong here, it also seems very unlikely that non-believers manipulated the word of god in order to justify violence.

And need I remind; 2 Bads, do not make 1 good. Just in case you would like to use that argument as a defence...

Joey

You do know you're trying to manipulate the Word of the Christian GOD, to persuade Christians to your pacifist views.........................if you suggest that war is forbidden in the Bible?

What does the Bible say about war? | GotQuestions.org

What does the Bible say about war? Does the Bible condemn or condone war? Under what circumstances is it right for one nation to go to war against another nation?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[tosca1]

You do realize that is racial slur, yes?

Oh lol, get a grip!
Say that to the people of India - and other countries who were attacked by Japan!
Surely, hurting your enemies' feelings during war would be the last thing they'd want to do.

Consider the context the term was used. That isn't an attempt to justify or make an excuse for my use for it!
It's just to edify you on context. You struggle with context.

Now - you're gonna take this thread so "out of context," to become a debate on racism and slurs?

Anyway. Whatever.

 

[JoeyJoystick]

Non-religious people can manipulate the word of God.

Hi Tosca,

Moo point. I never claimed or insinuated they can't. I just claimed that religious people did. Do you not see the difference in those 2 statements?

Joey

 

[tosca1]

Hi Tosca,

Moo point. I never claimed or insinuated they can't. I just claimed that religious people did. Do you not see the difference in those 2 statements?

Joey

My whole rebuttal to you, isn't moot!



Which particular religious people had done that?
You're brushing everyone with the same brush, you know.

So....................what's your point by singling out religious people for the same practice that non-religious do?


Anyway - I've asked you a pointed question:


Would you embrace Sharia Law in the name of "peace?"
I have to know where you stand.
You're the one who brought up the issue, with that book!

Are you prepared to go that far as to willingly go under Sharia Law............or, do you agree with me that there's a time for peaceful negotiations........................and a time for war?

 

[JoeyJoystick]

You do know you're trying to manipulate the Word of the Christian GOD, to persuade Christians to your pacifist views.........................if you suggest that war is forbidden in the Bible?

Hi Tosca,

Moo point. I never claimed that war is forbidden in the bible. I used the word violence. I never used the word forbidden.


Joey

 

[JoeyJoystick]

First of all, you can't paint everyone with that brush.

Hi Tosca,

Moo point. That's 3 in a row.

I never said anyone. I said religious people. The group 'Religious People' is a sub-group of the group 'people'. In addition to this I also never claimed that all religious people do that.

Note; A message is not likely to be read in full when your first statement is incorrect. It kind of reduces credibility rapidly. and that 3 times in a row.
Joey

 

[tosca1]

Hi Tosca,

Moo point. I never claimed that war is forbidden in the bible. I used the word violence. I never used the word forbidden.


Joey

War is the ultimate violence.

What kind of violence do you have in mind?
Give an example.

 

[tosca1]

Hi Tosca,

Moo point. That's 3 in a row.

I never said anyone. I said religious people. The group 'Religious People' is a sub-group of the group 'people'. In addition to this I also never claimed that all religious people do that.

Lol - Religious people, are all people who practice their religion!
Regardless what religion they belong to!

And I pointed out the flaw in your statement.
To just mention "religious people," whether it's a a sub-group or what....................is a flaw.

You give the idea that it's only religious people who manipulate the Bible or their doctrine.
I'm not saying, no religious people manipulate the Bible. Because, there are.
But it's not only the religious.
I showed you how atheists manipulate the Scriptures for their arguments, as a clear example.


People of all stripe use manipulation!

Note; A message is not likely to be read in full when your first statement is incorrect. It kind of reduces credibility rapidly. and that 3 times in a row.

Translation: I don't know how to answer.



Hahahahaha

The first one, it was because of the large fonts and all the screaming!





So - that's your style....................................of wimping out!

 

[JoeyJoystick]

Oh lol, get a grip!
Say that to the people of India - and other countries who were attacked by Japan!
Surely, hurting your enemies' feelings during war would be the last thing they'd want to do.

Consider the context the term was used. That isn't an attempt to justify or make an excuse for my use for it!
It's just to edify you on context. You struggle with context.

Now - you're gonna take this thread so "out of context," to become a debate on racism and slurs?

Anyway. Whatever.

And here you do it again.

2 bads do not make 1 good.

From all countries it was Japan that has, more than any other country in the world, proven that they have changed and are not violent like they used to be. Love the country. Love the people. Love working with them. Doing with them with Japanese people has not just been a pleasure; It was an honour to do business with men who stick by their word through thick and thin. I have nothing but respect for the people of Japan.

And only you and revelation have managed to take this thread out of context. Just a few minutes ago you were asking me about the war in Ukraine and ISIS attacks on the US.

@Daisy made a comment about the use of a racial slur. She is correct. You defending the racial slur means you actually know it is a racial slur.


Joey

 

[tosca1]

@Daisy made a comment about the use of a racial slur. She is correct. You defending the racial slur means you actually know it is a racial slur.


Joey

Translation:

Hello? Daisy? hello? Daisy....please come in. I need you to support me on this. I need some back-up!






Talk about understanding what you read.


I'm not gonna say I won't answer.

But first - you better skeedaddle back and read what I said to her.

 

[tosca1]

And only you and revelation have managed to take this thread out of context.

I can't speak for @Revelation - besides I don't follow the whole thread, so i don't know what exactly went on with whom.

But I do know I said ...........................WE DEPEND ON GOD!

.........................but even with all the super firepower - and all the things of this world -

we depend on God.

Post #141.

Is God a SuperHero?

If they are called gods, they must've been considered gods.........................even if people didn't worship them. Some folks may turn to evil gods - giving offerings - if in exchange, they want something evil to be performed by said god against someone. Kinda like someone who wants...

debatepolitics.com

Your thread is whether God is a Super hero................right?
Well?

Against super bad people - didn't the people depend on Superman, Batman, etc.?

David is talking about super fire power!

Just a few minutes ago you were asking me about the war in Ukraine and ISIS attacks on the US.

Why did I ask you that question?

Yoooo-hooooo?
Because of your book!
The one that you plugged here!

Post #144

Hi David,

Yet we have manipulated the word of god to justify war waged against non-believers...

Amazon.com

It's a good book. Give it a try. It offers some really interesting insights.

Joey

I kinda critiqued it!
I was responding to your post!


What's that book got to do with your thread, btw?




You're the one who took your thread out of topic!

 

[tosca1]

@Daisy made a comment about the use of a racial slur. She is correct.

Furthermore..............


talk about manipulation!

Will she fall for it?



It's also called...............................changing the channel.

You defending the racial slur means you actually know it is a racial slur.

Actually, I didn't know it was a racial slur until Daisy pointed it out.


I googled it.



Jap is an English abbreviation of the word "Japanese".

In some places, it is simply a contraction of the word and does not carry negative connotations[citation needed],
whereas in some other contexts it can be considered a slur.
According to the Oxford English Dictionary, Jap as an abbreviation for Japanese was in colloquial use in London around 1880.[3]
An example of benign usage was the previous naming of Boondocks Road in Jefferson County, Texas, originally named Jap Road when it was built in 1905
to honor a popular local rice farmer from Japan.[4]

Later popularized during World War II to describe those of Japanese descent, Jap was then commonly used in newspaper headlines to refer to the Japanese and Imperial Japan.
Jap began to be used in a derogatory fashion during the war, more so than Nip.[1]
Veteran and author Paul Fussell explains the rhetorical usefulness of the word during the war for creating effective propaganda by saying that Japs "was a brisk monosyllable
handy for slogans like 'Rap the Jap' or 'Let's Blast the Jap Clean Off the Map'".[1]

Jap - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Post #146

I asked:


How did India eventually deal with the Japs?




Since I was referring to India and the Japs (World War 2)..........................you have problems with context too?

 

[JoeyJoystick]

Translation:

Hello? Daisy? hello? Daisy....please come in. I need you to support me on this. I need some back-up!






Talk about understanding what you read.


I'm not gonna say I won't answer.

But first - you better skeedaddle back and read what I said to her.

Let me explain something to you. @Daisy is one of the reasons I like, respect and condone religion. She shows what religion is all about. She is intelligent and knowledgeable yet humble and caring. She understand what religion is about and tries to use this knowledge to improve her life, herself, and the people around her. Yet she will never accuse you of wrong doing or force her own opinion onto someone else.

You, on the other hand, are the reason many people do not like religion. Incoherent speeches that seem out of touch with reality. A total lack of respect for anyone who disagrees with you. And a deep rooted fear to admit any wrong on your own side.

The bottom line is that you can keep ranting in this thread for hours if you want, but you will still be the same miserable person you were before and you have not had a positive impact on anyone's life today. I on the other hand did. I had the opportunity to tell Daisy what I thought about her. And that was long overdue. I thank you for making me realize this though. And just like that you are out of my life again and forgotten...


Joey

 

[tosca1]

Let me explain something to you. @Daisy is one of the reasons I like, respect and condone religion. She shows what religion is all about. She is intelligent and knowledgeable yet humble and caring. She understand what religion is about and tries to use this knowledge to improve her life, herself, and the people around her. Yet she will never accuse you of wrong doing or force her own opinion onto someone else.

You, on the other hand, are the reason many people do not like religion. Incoherent speeches that seem out of touch with reality. A total lack of respect for anyone who disagrees with you. And a deep rooted fear to admit any wrong on your own side.

The bottom line is that you can keep ranting in this thread for hours if you want, but you will still be the same miserable person you were before and you have not had a positive impact on anyone's life today. I on the other hand did. I had the opportunity to tell Daisy what I thought about her. And that was long overdue. I thank you for making me realize this though. And just like that you are out of my life again and forgotten...


Joey

I like Daisy too. She's being an apologist, like me.
From what I have seen .....she's all those, too. I have respect for her.
Even if we're sparring and at odds, most of the time................




Oh boy................

I really must've stepped on a nerve when i questioned your faulty opinion about manipulations.


Talk about projections!
Read that post.....and tell me if it doesn't look exactly like a ..................rant....................being delivered by a "miserable" person.


Have a nice day.

 

[Daisy]

Oh lol, get a grip!
Say that to the people of India - and other countries who were attacked by Japan!
Surely, hurting your enemies' feelings during war would be the last thing they'd want to do.

Consider the context the term was used. That isn't an attempt to justify or make an excuse for my use for it!
It's just to edify you on context. You struggle with context.

Now - you're gonna take this thread so "out of context," to become a debate on racism and slurs?

Anyway. Whatever.

A slur is a slur is a slur...you said it...own it...

 

[Daisy]

@JoeyJoystick, the feeling is mutual...

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

She's more amazing than even Superman.

 

[ataraxia]

no he is beyond being a super hero, he is the God of the Super heroes.

when super heroes meet God, they kneel and say 'yes Lord' thy will be done, in heaven and in earth.



View attachment 67524510...hopefully when it is your turn to meet God, the results will be stellar. however for many on this forum, they really don't have a Snowball's chance in hades. thus these cartoons making an attempt to change your outcome.

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Trying to prove God is not a superhero by showing us hand-drawn cartoons. That'll do it.

Where is the part where God punches out all the bad guys and we can see the sound effects : "POW!", "KABAAM!", etc....?

 

[devildavid]

Hi David,

Yet we have manipulated the word of god to justify war waged against non-believers...

Amazon.com

It's a good book. Give it a try. It offers some really interesting insights.

Joey

We manipulate whatever we can to justify wars against anyone. Gods are just part of the grab bag or rationalizing wars.

 

[tosca1]

A slur is a slur is a slur...you said it...own it...

Don't be too quick to judge.

READ!



Lol - kinda like a watchdog - pit bull, in fact - waiting to latch on to any trespass?

What are you two doing? Playing........................ "latch on?"
You mentioned racial slur............and the other is quick to latch on to it?
Now you're latching back?

Feeding on each other?




But, I still like you anyway.

I like Joey, too - even though he let me down when he started going downhill with his posts - and started posting nonsense that suggest a meltdown!
Here I thought - Joey and I started off nicely talking about his son.

What a snafu.