Is Donald Trump Mentally and Physically Fit Enough for a 2nd Term?

[Aunt Antifa]

LOL. So, you're finally admitting that Trump was mentally and physically fit for his first term?

Do you require my validation for the stupid **** you want to believe?

 

[pamak]

First of all Europe is a Liberal socialist utopia where most of the economy is generated by gov't spending

Second, we have 50 states and 50 different Constitutions and governors. Not only that, but Europe is much more densely populated and there is a strong correlation between deaths and population density and Europe was struck first while the US had the luxury of more time and better understanding of how the CV affects the situation. For example, Italy did not even notice that there could be a strain of valuable ventilator resources until it was too late. Because of what happened in Italy, the US had the luxury to prepare and manufacture more ventilators when it became apparent that the pandemic was spreading in the US.

Third, the President of the United States isn't the First responder to a natural disaster, the governors are. They ask for a disaster declaration and the President responds

Fourth, governors shut down the economy, the President doesn't

Fifth, as usual you focus the negatives, not the 6.1 million infections and 5.9 million recoveries

When the economy shut down by the governors what did you expect the economic numbers to be and why are you blaming Trump for pandemic numbers?

Trump cultists?? Seems like Trump cultists are popping up in today's Democratic Party

Trump Lands Major Endorsements From Democrat Mayors in Minnesota

First What Europe is or is not does not change the fact that now has a lower unemployment than Trump.

Second, We have 50 different states and Europe has also 50 different states.

Third, you have it wrong. The most effective respondent to a pandemic which starts on the other side of the globe is the president. Only he has the resources to monitor the developments in China. Recall by the way how the senators who are now investigated for inside trading started selling stocks after a classified intelligence briefing about the coronavirus threat. Also, the testing development was in the hand of the CDC. The fiasco of the veryyyy low testing during the crucial beginning stages was a federal failure.


Fourth , as I explained (and you ignored) the governors saw a president who incited his supporters with claims about a democratically supposedly hoax and to to ignore strict lockdowns by chanting demands to "liberate" certain states. In a western democracy where the cooperation of citizens in lockdowns must be earned, Trump's behavior was a shocking lack of leadership and undermine the work of the governors who wanted to keep strict and longer lockdowns.


Fifth, I explained that your focus on the numbers you give to COMPARE countries is misleading because you ignore important factors that affect these numbers such as the age of the population (and US among the youngest nations) and the tests per million. So, you basically chose to ignore my counterpoints for why such comparison is wrong presumably because you could not refute it

I pointed at the fact that while the economy shut down in EU and the US, the unemployment in the US rose to levels above Europe' s even though traditionally Europe has a higher unemployment rate. So, blaming the lockdowns for the current economic situation in the US is not a good explanation for why the US has such high unemployment today.


And yes, people who still ignore the thousands of excess deaths and the colossal failure of the US to keep the cost in both human lives and economic terms low are cultists.
It is the same people who were ignoring what was happening in Italy when they were laughing together with Trump about the Democratic "hoax" of the coronavirus threat. Meanwhile, despite all the US advantages I mentioned earlier, The US is now ready to reach and rupees even Italy in deaths per million of population. But feel free to post irrelevant links regarding which mayors endorse Trump.

 

[Moderate Right]

Do you require my validation for the stupid **** you want to believe?

You're the one who made the post.

 

[Ikari]

This was from yesterday, it’s concerning:

https://twitter.com/aynrandpaulryan/status/1299505540364529667?s=21

This follows on the heels of his acceptance speech, where he had a death grip on Melania’s hand, which suggests she was there more to steady him than to show emotional support for a big speech. He made that unannounced trip to Walter Reed, which was never explained.

There’s any number of videos circulating showing him slurring his speech, being unable to read teleprompters, and of course the infamous inability to lift glasses of water without effort, and then there’s the ramp.

If this is how Trump lets us see him in *public* how is he performing the functions of the job behind the scenes?

I don't think he was mentally fit for the first term. He likely hasn't gotten better in that time.

 

[pamak]

Right 183,000 new Democratic voters, interesting how you blame Trump for the deaths but not credit the U.S. for having the lowest death percentage of major countries with universal healthcare, it is 3% as of yesterday.

Let's make something clear...

I explained why it is wrong to boast about that number citing (among other things ) that there is a much higher percentage of younger people within the US compared to other European countries (and younger people recover better than older people) or citing the much higher in the US now testing per million which affects the ratio you try to use. You have not addressed the counterpoints which shows that the original point you tried to make is so weak that you cannot defend it. Repeating a weak point does not make it stronger.

By the way, if one uses your logic and sees the variation of the number you use among the different states inside the US, he will conclude that places like Alaska have a much superior healthcare system than places like NY or TX or Fl.

United States Coronavirus: 6,224,329 Cases and 188,019 Deaths - Worldometer

Alaska has 5,263 total cases and only 37 deaths which is light years better than the same ratio in TX or FL

TX has 642,741 total cases and 12,908 deaths

FL has 623,471 total cases and 11.189 deaths

 

[Conservative]

Let's make something clear...

I explained why it is wrong to boast about that number citing (among other things ) that there is a much higher percentage of younger people within the US compared to other European countries (and younger people recover better than older people) or citing the much higher in the US now testing per million which affects the ratio you try to use. You have not addressed the counterpoints which shows that the original point you tried to make is so weak that you cannot defend it. Repeating a weak point does not make it stronger.

By the way, if one uses your logic and sees the variation of the number you use among the different states inside the US, he will conclude that places like Alaska have a much superior healthcare system than places like NY or TX or Fl.

United States Coronavirus: 6,224,329 Cases and 188,019 Deaths - Worldometer

Alaska has 5,263 total cases and only 37 deaths which is light years better than the same ratio in TX or FL

TX has 642,741 total cases and 12,908 deaths

FL has 623,471 total cases and 11.189 deaths

And now the rest of the story

over 1/3 of the deaths come from NY, NJ, and California, but don't let that fact get in the way of your hate red state rhetoric. Look, we have had this discussion about red vs. blue states and in particular your state of California and nothing is ever going to change your mind because you live in that liberal bubble oblivious to all the homeless, poverty, debt ridden people in your state wanting out of ignorance to spread that misery equally to the rest of the country

8/30/2020 Cases Deaths

United States 6,057,520 185537 3.1%

California 693839 12834 1.8%

Florida 621596 11249 1.8%

Texas 606530 12420 2.0%

New York 434100 25319 5.8%

Georgia 267758 5576 2.1%

Illinois 231363 8008 3.5%

Arizona 201661 5030 2.5%

New Jersey 191611 15953 8.3%

Massachusetts 128030 9036 7.1%

Pennsylvania 132834 7671 5.8%

Michigan 111975 6745 6.0%


For some reason you seem to believe it is the President's responsibility to tell you what to do with your personal responsibility issues, You are part of the problem not part of the solution as your solution is to continue to elect the same people over and over again that generated the California social problems and all the violence in the cities

 

[Conservative]

First What Europe is or is not does not change the fact that now has a lower unemployment than Trump.

Second, We have 50 different states and Europe has also 50 different states.

Third, you have it wrong. The most effective respondent to a pandemic which starts on the other side of the globe is the president. Only he has the resources to monitor the developments in China. Recall by the way how the senators who are now investigated for inside trading started selling stocks after a classified intelligence briefing about the coronavirus threat. Also, the testing development was in the hand of the CDC. The fiasco of the veryyyy low testing during the crucial beginning stages was a federal failure.


Fourth , as I explained (and you ignored) the governors saw a president who incited his supporters with claims about a democratically supposedly hoax and to to ignore strict lockdowns by chanting demands to "liberate" certain states. In a western democracy where the cooperation of citizens in lockdowns must be earned, Trump's behavior was a shocking lack of leadership and undermine the work of the governors who wanted to keep strict and longer lockdowns.


Fifth, I explained that your focus on the numbers you give to COMPARE countries is misleading because you ignore important factors that affect these numbers such as the age of the population (and US among the youngest nations) and the tests per million. So, you basically chose to ignore my counterpoints for why such comparison is wrong presumably because you could not refute it

I pointed at the fact that while the economy shut down in EU and the US, the unemployment in the US rose to levels above Europe' s even though traditionally Europe has a higher unemployment rate. So, blaming the lockdowns for the current economic situation in the US is not a good explanation for why the US has such high unemployment today.


And yes, people who still ignore the thousands of excess deaths and the colossal failure of the US to keep the cost in both human lives and economic terms low are cultists.
It is the same people who were ignoring what was happening in Italy when they were laughing together with Trump about the Democratic "hoax" of the coronavirus threat. Meanwhile, despite all the US advantages I mentioned earlier, The US is now ready to reach and rupees even Italy in deaths per million of population. But feel free to post irrelevant links regarding which mayors endorse Trump.

There is no lower unemployment than Trump pre pandemic and if you think the European economy is so much better than ours move there and check it out for yourself. Pre pandemic Trump generated 6.6 million NEW jobs, added 2.7 trillion to GDP, has grown the stock market over 10,000 points even with the pandemic. Now you want to ignore that and like most liberals called for the economic shutdown to slow the spread of the virus so you would have bad economic numbers to blame on Trump. Let's not forget California is a blue state, NY is a blue state, NJ is a blue state

Cases Deaths

California 693839 12834
New York 434100 25319
New Jersey191611 15953

 

[pamak]

And now the rest of the story

over 1/3 of the deaths come from NY, NJ, and California, but don't let that fact get in the way of your hate red state rhetoric. Look, we have had this discussion about red vs. blue states and in particular your state of California and nothing is ever going to change your mind because you live in that liberal bubble oblivious to all the homeless, poverty, debt ridden people in your state wanting out of ignorance to spread that misery equally to the rest of the country

8/30/2020 Cases Deaths

United States 6,057,520 185537 3.1%

California 693839 12834 1.8%

Florida 621596 11249 1.8%

Texas 606530 12420 2.0%

New York 434100 25319 5.8%

Georgia 267758 5576 2.1%

Illinois 231363 8008 3.5%

Arizona 201661 5030 2.5%

New Jersey 191611 15953 8.3%

Massachusetts 128030 9036 7.1%

Pennsylvania 132834 7671 5.8%

Michigan 111975 6745 6.0%


For some reason you seem to believe it is the President's responsibility to tell you what to do with your personal responsibility issues, You are part of the problem not part of the solution as your solution is to continue to elect the same people over and over again that generated the California social problems and all the violence in the cities

Nothing in these numbers address my points. And I noticed that you shy away from addressing why the ratios are wayyyyyyyy better in states like Alaska or other low density population states. And it does not matter what percentage comes from x or Y state or province in Europe...We can not ignore parts of a country just because they "ruin" statistics.

And no I do not start any discussion about red vs blue even though my blue state (CA) has a better record according to your logic than TX. On the contrary, I say that the numbers you use ca NOT ne used for such comparisons about the supposed superiority of a state's healthcare system. And the vast differences you see in the numbers does not imply that we have such level of healthcare inequality among the American states.

I explained what I believe... I expect a president not talking in front of his cultist supporters about the "hoax" of the coronavirus threat when thousands of people start dying in a developed country like Italy. I expect a leader to do the best he can to earn the cooperation of the citizens in order to have the most effective lockdown.

 

[dairyair]

This was from yesterday, it’s concerning:

https://twitter.com/aynrandpaulryan/status/1299505540364529667?s=21

This follows on the heels of his acceptance speech, where he had a death grip on Melania’s hand, which suggests she was there more to steady him than to show emotional support for a big speech. He made that unannounced trip to Walter Reed, which was never explained.

There’s any number of videos circulating showing him slurring his speech, being unable to read teleprompters, and of course the infamous inability to lift glasses of water without effort, and then there’s the ramp.

If this is how Trump lets us see him in *public* how is he performing the functions of the job behind the scenes?

Likely not.


Mike Pence was "on standby" to take over the presidency during Donald Trump's unplanned visit to hospital last year, according to claims in a new book.

Plans for Mr Pence to take the presidency if Mr Trump needed surgery during a November 2019 visit to Walter Reed National Military Medical Centre were revealed in a review of a new book by New York Times reporter Michael Schmidt.

While Mr Pence did not end up taking that step, Mr Schmidt says in Donald Trump v the United States that the vice president was “on standby to take over the powers of the presidency temporarily if Trump had to undergo a procedure that would have required him to be anaesthetized”.
Pence was on standby to take over from Trump during president'''s mysterious hospital visit, new book claims

 

[pamak]

There is no lower unemployment than Trump pre pandemic and if you think the European economy is so much better than ours move there and check it out for yourself. Pre pandemic Trump generated 6.6 million NEW jobs, added 2.7 trillion to GDP, has grown the stock market over 10,000 points even with the pandemic. Now you want to ignore that and like most liberals called for the economic shutdown to slow the spread of the virus so you would have bad economic numbers to blame on Trump. Let's not forget California is a blue state, NY is a blue state, NJ is a blue state

Cases Deaths

California 693839 12834
New York 434100 25319
New Jersey191611 15953

Your post has NOTHING to say against ANY of the counterpoints in the post you quoted. So, why do you quote me if you are not interested in addressing the points I made then?

If you want to change the conversation and talk about the economy before the pandemic, you can do it without quoting my post.

By the way, today with the Uber, and the gig, apps economy where everybody can be technically employed by using his smartphone to do errands, it is much easier compared to the past for having low unemployment rates. Meanwhile, thanks to the stupid economic polices of Trump when the annual deficit reached a trillion annually during good times, we will face now a much stronger need to have cuts after the pumping of the multi trillion rescue package, and as usual the common people at the end will suffer the consequences through cuts in SS, healthcare and other safety net programs.

 

[Conservative]

Nothing in these numbers address my points. And I noticed that you shy away from addressing why the ratios are wayyyyyyyy better in states like Alaska or other low density population states. And it does not matter what percentage comes from x or Y state or province in Europe...We can not ignore parts of a country just because they "ruin" statistics.

And no I do not start any discussion about red vs blue even though my blue state (CA) has a better record according to your logic than TX. On the contrary, I say that the numbers you use ca NOT ne used for such comparisons about the supposed superiority of a state's healthcare system. And the vast differences you see in the numbers does not imply that we have such level of healthcare inequality among the American states.

I explained what I believe... I expect a president not talking in front of his cultist supporters about the "hoax" of the coronavirus threat when thousands of people start dying in a developed country like Italy. I expect a leader to do the best he can to earn the cooperation of the citizens in order to have the most effective lockdown.

ratios? why are ratios so important to you, California is better than TX?? LOL, nice liberal spin as usual never accepting the fact that personal responsibility issues determine infections

You are given talking points and never deviate from them when did Trump say that the corona virus was a hoax? Out of context remark and typical of someone like you who lives in a bubble totally ignoring the failures in your own state that you would promote your state being duplicated 49 more times in this country

There isn't a thing that is going to change your mind but what you are going to find out is that violence in our cities, racist liberal ideology, promotion of the nanny state, cities defunding police, liberal failures all over the nation are what are going to drive people to the polls and it is going to be a liberal bloodbath in November. You are so out of touch with reality it is scary

 

[upsideguy]

This campaign offers us a choice between Trump and Biden. You have offered no valid reason to vote for Biden/Harris and the results support the re-election of Trump, results you want to ignore, 6.6 million jobs created pre pandemic, 900 billion dollars per year GDP growth per pandemic, 10000 point stock market gain as of the present. Americans are better off today than when Obama left office with conservative economic policies. You want to focus on pandemic results ignoring you supported the shutdown of the economy so you would have negative numbers to blame on Trump totally ignoring the violence in the cities, racist polices by BLM and liberals all over the country. Every major city in the country with riots is governed by liberals, every state that is a disaster financially and socially is run by liberals. You keep diverting from that reality

Might as well cost down on this post.... different poster / same delusion.

Who are you kidding? Are you lost in your fact-free fantasy world? Trump did not "usher" in this economy. The longest economic expansion in American history was ushered in during the previous administration actually under the specific direction of Biden. They are the ones that did the heavy lifting to restructure an economy in deep recession.

Joe Biden Oversaw Recovery During the Last Recession - The Atlantic

The turnaround was slower than many would like, but it was steady. There were no recessions until CV. Trump did not "usher-in" anything. He presided over a good economy and did not screw it up, until he did.

This is now the longest U.S. economic expansion in history
Longest Economic Expansion In United States History

Trump is not currently presiding over a strong economy. Its cratered. It has shed 1 million jobs plus per week for 26 weeks (ok, it missed one)... a job loss we have never have previously witnessed.

Chart Book: Tracking the Post-Great Recession Economy | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
The economy slowed under Trump; his inept pandemic response ensured its collapse | TheHill

Yes, a shut-down in April was pandemic response 101. The economic consequence of that initial shutdown was not Trump's fault. What is Trump's fault, however, is that economy can not bounce back until the pandemic brought under control. On the issue, he has not lead, nor followed, but very much gotten in the way with his mixed messaging and efforts to undercut those that have tried to fix things. His ineptitude has single-handedly let this get out of control in the US (not really in any other 1st world country, just the US). The economy can not be fixed until the pandemic is fixed, and Trump ain't working on that .... hence he can not fix the economy.

The Economic Recovery Depends on Controlling the COVID-19 Pandemic - Union of Concerned Scientists
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/to-f...c-former-white-house-economist-202243438.html
https://www.cfr.org/article/graphing-pandemic-economy
https://www2.deloitte.com/us/en/ins...Smart_Cities:COVID_Government_Response_BMM:nb

If you were really worried about the economy and informed, you would be behind Biden. But, you are not either. You likely like the fact that "Trump is not a nice guy" (he is actually a lot worse than simply not a nice guy, to most Americans , he is a dangerous man). You really are not all that concerned about the economy or you would see things much clearer.

The idea that Trump is some type of economic genius is every bit the fantasy that he is a good businessman. He is not, he just plays on one TV. Our TV generation cannot discern reality from fantasy. You think Trump has what it takes to fix the economy? Think again.

You are you kidding? You have kidded yourself into a bit a delusion.

 

[Conservative]

Likely not.


Mike Pence was "on standby" to take over the presidency during Donald Trump's unplanned visit to hospital last year, according to claims in a new book.

Plans for Mr Pence to take the presidency if Mr Trump needed surgery during a November 2019 visit to Walter Reed National Military Medical Centre were revealed in a review of a new book by New York Times reporter Michael Schmidt.

While Mr Pence did not end up taking that step, Mr Schmidt says in Donald Trump v the United States that the vice president was “on standby to take over the powers of the presidency temporarily if Trump had to undergo a procedure that would have required him to be anaesthetized”.
Pence was on standby to take over from Trump during president'''s mysterious hospital visit, new book claims

So let's see we have a former governor a heart beat away from the President with Trump and a radical leftist a heart beat from the President with Harris. Yep, the choice is clear for Americans who enjoy their freedoms, enjoy individual wealth creation, enjoy the incredible returns on their 401k, enjoy the conservative cities without race riots and looting.

 

[Integrityrespec]

I'm thinking that the Presidential debates will give us all the opportunity to see what's what.

Yes! Get the two candidates on stage in front of an audience and lets see a question and answer followed by rebuttal type debate. Live and in person before the American people. The only person I heard who said we should not have debates is Democrat Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi.

 

[Conservative]

Might as well cost down on this post.... different poster / same delusion.

Who are you kidding? Are you lost in your fact-free fantasy world? Trump did not "usher" in this economy. The longest economic expansion in American history was ushered in during the previous administration actually under the specific direction of Biden. They are the ones that did the heavy lifting to restructure an economy in deep recession.

Joe Biden Oversaw Recovery During the Last Recession - The Atlantic

The turnaround was slower than many would like, but it was steady. There were no recessions until CV. Trump did not "usher-in" anything. He presided over a good economy and did not screw it up, until he did.

This is now the longest U.S. economic expansion in history
Longest Economic Expansion In United States History

Trump is not currently presiding over a strong economy. Its cratered. It has shed 1 million jobs plus per week for 26 weeks (ok, it missed one)... a job loss we have never witnessed.

Chart Book: Tracking the Post-Great Recession Economy | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
The economy slowed under Trump; his inept pandemic response ensured its collapse | TheHill

The economy can not be fixed until the pandemic is fixed, and Trump ain't working on that .... hence he can not fix the economy.

The Economic Recovery Depends on Controlling the COVID-19 Pandemic - Union of Concerned Scientists
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/to-f...c-former-white-house-economist-202243438.html
https://www.cfr.org/article/graphing-pandemic-economy
https://www2.deloitte.com/us/en/ins...Smart_Cities:COVID_Government_Response_BMM:nb

If you were really worried about the economy and informed, you would be behind Biden. But, you are not either. You likely like the fact that "Trump is not a nice guy" (he is actually a lot worse than simply not a nice guy, to most Americans , he is a dangerous man). You really are not all that concerned about the economy or you would see things much clearer.

The idea that Trump is some type of economic genius is every bit the fantasy that he is a good businessman. He is not, he just plays on one TV. Our TV generation cannot discern reality from fantasy. You think Trump has what it takes to fix the economy? Think again.

You are you kidding? You have kidded yourself into a bit a delusion.

LOL, what recovery???? The worst from a major recession in modern history?? Your claims of recovery match the liberal low expectations offered to the American people. We didn't get back to pre recession employment until Mid 2014, Obama's GDP was 4 trillion dollars growth in 8 years including the 842 billion stimulus. he left us with worse u-6 than when the recession began and more part time for economic reason employees than when the recession started

Obama lost the House in 10-12-14 and the senate in 14. Democrats lost the Senate in 16 and 18, doesn't show that the public agrees with you regarding the Obama/Biden legacy but that doesn't matter, the D does to you

your support for liberalism is based upon your very low expectations for a liberal president and very poor understanding of data and context!!

 

[Aunt Antifa]

I don't think he was mentally fit for the first term. He likely hasn't gotten better in that time.

Right. We are still in his first term.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

You're the one who made the post.

Correct. And you responded to it by praising me for finally making you feel good about some claim you needed me to “admit.”

 

[pamak]

ratios? why are ratios so important to you, California is better than TX?? LOL, nice liberal spin as usual never accepting the fact that personal responsibility issues determine infections

Have you realized that the percentages you calculate are the result of a ratio?

And it is YOUR calculation which shows a better number for CA. So, by YOUR logic, CA has a better healthcare system than TX.

This is YOUR post

California 693839 12834 1.8%

Florida 621596 11249 1.8%

Texas 606530 12420 2.0%

And notice that I object to your simplistic logic of making such comparisons. I explained why it is wrong to see such ratios without taking in consideration factors that you ignore.
But if you want to stick with your logic, then YOU calculated a better CA ratio than a TX one. And you should also come to the conclusion that Alaska has a way better healthcare system than both TX and CA.So, if you have any objections of how to interpreter the results you calculated, then you should reconsider your claims and logic.

As usual those who try to count mostly on personal responsibility to tackle a problem fail to produce better results than those who count mostly on government programs to tackle the same issue. You can be very responsible and still be an asymptomatic carrier and spread the virus...It is also obvious that Trump supporters who take their cues from a charlatan in the White House and see a hoax do NOT want to be personally responsible in following even simple rules like wearing a mask!

 

[dairyair]

So let's see we have a former governor a heart beat away from the President with Trump and a radical leftist a heart beat from the President with Harris. Yep, the choice is clear for Americans who enjoy their freedoms, enjoy individual wealth creation, enjoy the incredible returns on their 401k, enjoy the conservative cities without race riots and looting.

We're losing our freedoms.
In tRUMPs new America, MAGA, there's riots and protests all across the country. tRUMP is losing the people and anarchy is replacing them. tRUMPs America is less safe for everyone.

 

[Conservative]

Your post has NOTHING to say against ANY of the counterpoints in the post you quoted. So, why do you quote me if you are not interested in addressing the points I made then?

If you want to change the conversation and talk about the economy before the pandemic, you can do it without quoting my post.

By the way, today with the Uber, and the gig, apps economy where everybody can be technically employed by using his smartphone to do errands, it is much easier compared to the past for having low unemployment rates. Meanwhile, thanks to the stupid economic polices of Trump when the annual deficit reached a trillion annually during good times, we will face now a much stronger need to have cuts after the pumping of the multi trillion rescue package, and as usual the common people at the end will suffer the consequences through cuts in SS, healthcare and other safety net programs.

Why, because you don't agree with it and cannot respond? How does it feel to live in the fifth largest economy in the world and lead the nation in COVID 19 cases and have the worst poverty, homeless, quality of life, pollution, wage gap? Is this what you want the rest of the country to experience? That is liberal elitism which apparently you are part of

 

[Conservative]

Have you realized that the percentages you calculate are the result of a ratio?

And it is YOUR calculation which shows a better number for CA. So, by YOUR logic, CA has a better healthcare system than TX.

This is YOUR post




And notice that I object to your simplistic logic of making such comparisons. I explained why it is wrong to see such ratios without taking in consideration factors that you ignore.
But if you want to stick with your logic, then YOU calculated a better CA ratio than a TX one. And you should also come to the conclusion that Alaska has a way better healthcare system than both TX and CA.So, if you have any objections of how to interpreter the results you calculated, then you should reconsider your claims and logic.

As usual those who try to count mostly on personal responsibility to tackle a problem fail to produce better results than those who count mostly on government programs to tackle the same issue. You can be very responsible and still be an asymptomatic carrier and spread the virus...It is also obvious that Trump supporters who take their cues from a charlatan in the White House and see a hoax do NOT want to be personally responsible in following even simple rules like wearing a mask!

Percentages are used by the left when it serves their purpose, think the American people give a damn about percentages or actual numbers? Can you explain why NY, NJ, and California represent over 1/3 of the deaths in this country from the virus and yet you want to focus on the President? You have a distorted and inaccurate view of what the President's roles and responsibilities are, all planted by left wing radicals who are using you as a pawn

For some reason crime statistics seem to trump the rioting videos and reality, gee wonder why? Can you explain to us what anyone should vote for a Democrat in Seattle, Portland, LA, SF, Chicago, Minneapolis, Kenosha, NYC? Do results actually resonate with you or are you blinded by percentage change?

You claim to be concerned about results but law and order isn't one of them. You claim to care about results and ignore liberal results as you never post any. States control the activities in the state not the President, and your state has been under Democratic control with the legislature since the 60's. The bluest state in the nation is a fiscal and social disaster Post 170

 

[Conservative]

We're losing our freedoms.
In tRUMPs new America, MAGA, there's riots and protests all across the country. tRUMP is losing the people and anarchy is replacing them. tRUMPs America is less safe for everyone.

Yes, the freedom to make bad choices, you do what you are supposed to do and you won't catch the virus regardless of what someone else does. Trump isn't losing the people, radical liberalism is doing that, why would anyone vote for a Democrat in Seattle, Portland, LA, SF, Minneapolis, Kenosha, NYC or any Democrat in NY, NJ, Mass, Penn, Michigan? Making America great isn't what the liberals want, they want making liberalism great by making liberal elites richer

 

[Luce]

Yes, the freedom to make bad choices, you do what you are supposed to do and you won't catch the virus regardless of what someone else does. Trump isn't losing the people, radical liberalism is doing that, why would anyone vote for a Democrat in Seattle, Portland, LA, SF, Minneapolis, Kenosha, NYC or any Democrat in NY, NJ, Mass, Penn, Michigan? Making America great isn't what the liberals want, they want making liberalism great by making liberal elites richer

When you've fallen off the right wing, I guess everything looks like "radical liberalism".

 

[pamak]

Why, because you don't agree with it and cannot respond? How does it feel to live in the fifth largest economy in the world and lead the nation in COVID 19 cases and have the worst poverty, homeless, quality of life, pollution, wage gap? Is this what you want the rest of the country to experience? That is liberal elitism which apparently you are part of

Because, you try to change the subject to cover the fact that you cannot address my counterpoints to the points you tried to make. And it is stupid to use the numebr of infections in CA to argue against it when CA is the most populus state. And again, stop trying to change the conversation. You were caught in contradcting yourseld when by YOUR LOGIC the California ratio of cases to deaths in better than the one in TX. You even typed it :

California 693839 12834 1.8%

Florida 621596 11249 1.8%

Texas 606530 12420 2.0%

and you did not noitce that by YOUR logic you actually implied that CA';s healthcare syste is better thna the one in TX. So, now, after shooting yourself in the foot, you try to change the mtric of success and use another stupid comparison by talking about absolute numebr of cases forgeting th fact that nuaturally bigger states with higher population wil obviously have more cases. In order to compare things among states with different populations you have to see the cases per million ratio which puts everybody on the same ground. Amd unfortunately for you, CA s bettter than TX in that number too

United States Coronavirus: 6,241,858 Cases and 188,450 Deaths - Worldometer

CA's total cases per million 18,062 as of today

TX's total cases per million 22,166 per mllion

and considerng the fact that CA is way more densely populated region and has a much higher percentage of Asians, and a hub for international and domestic travelers (toursit attraction) it makes the CA better ratio even more extraordinary

Now, talking about poverty and pollution and anything that comes to your mind to avoid a meaningful conversation regarding the coronavirus results shows th weakness of your position. So, shifting to new points unrelated to the conversation is natural.

 

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