Is dismantling the department of education good or bad?

[TheDoctorWasIn]

That was not my argument. I was arguing that the education system is not failing because of the system itself... it is those not caring about education that are the reason for the failing stats.

And I disagree completely.

The system is "failing" in places where it has intentionally been failed.

I can only speak for myself, but I went to public schools in liberal states from Kindergarten through the end of my Bachelor's Degree, and I got the best education money could buy.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

Well, let’s do some math, shall we?

For a person earning 65K +5K in overtime the net change- GAIN - of money in their pocket is about $220 thanks to the BBB.

How much does your local school district get from the federal government? How much will state and local funding need to make up? How much will that increase your local and state taxes?

depending on the state, the anticipated impact for someone in that tax bracket is $350-900 depending on location - due to increases in their state and local taxes needed to offset loss of federal funding for public schools.

You’re out money in the end

Net LOSS.

I checked the "BBB" calculator. I will pay exactly the same amount of federal taxes I paid last year.

 

[Atreus21]

The counter argument is that if you don't have unified standards, you will wind up with red states teaching their kids Jesus won the civil war riding a dinosaur into battle.

Or blue states teaching girls they might actually be bo-oooh wait a minute.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Or blue states teaching girls they might actually be bo-oooh wait a minute.

I can't speak to your fantasies about trans people. The state you're describing only exists on memes traded on FB.

 

[Parker_Chess]

Here's the reality. The removal of department of education will result in state curriculums being incongruent with each other. Not only that but many red states will begin teaching anti-scientific ideas and theories. This will only make America lose more.

 

[SMTA]

Half the country is illiterate already. It's time to try something other than government-run skools.

From what I have seen in Ohio, corporate run private schools do a shitty job and go bankrupt whilst the owners make money.
The exception around here are Catholic schools.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

Here's the reality. The removal of department of education will result in state curriculums being incongruent with each other. Not only that but many red states will begin teaching anti-scientific ideas and theories. This will only make America lose more.

It will result in the worst schools in America (the ones in Red States) getting even worse.

 

[Atreus21]

I can't speak to your fantasies about trans people. The state you're describing only exists on memes traded on FB.

Not really the point. Point is that left wingers have their kooky religious ideas just like right wingers do.

 

[Absentglare]

And I disagree completely.

The system is "failing" in places where it has intentionally been failed.

I can only speak for myself, but I went to public schools in liberal states from Kindergarten through the end of my Bachelor's Degree, and I got the best education money could buy.

My car was making a funny noise, so I pushed it off a cliff. Now I have to walk everywhere. MAGA!

 

[Absentglare]

Not really the point. Point is that left wingers have their kooky religious ideas just like right wingers do.

I think it’s probably very comforting to believe that the “other side” is always as bad or worse than you, but that doesn’t make it accurate.

 

[Bodi]

And I disagree completely.

The system is "failing" in places where it has intentionally been failed.

I can only speak for myself, but I went to public schools in liberal states from Kindergarten through the end of my Bachelor's Degree, and I got the best education money could buy.

I think that you actually agree with me. I am not arguing that the education system is failing either.... the system is very good and if it is failing people it is because they are failing themselves.


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[trixare4kids]

Trump announced that he’s dismantling the department of education.

It’s obviously not legal but SCOTUS used the shadow docket to give him cover.

Context: This will mean a lot of children will fall behind. It’s one more way that Trump cuts spending by cutting money that goes back to everyday Americans. At the same time, we see spending increasing, ramping up wildly, so the debt is getting worse.

Is dismantling the department of education good or bad?

Trump hasn't the power to dismantle the department of education. Your thread premise is a strawman. Even Trump knows his limitations. As president with executive authority, Trump does have the temporary power to reduce staff and restructure operations.

 

[Absentglare]

The Depart of Education has been around since 1979, and all we hear about is how education in the United States sucks.

I actually don't think it sucks, but it's not good or bad because of the DoE. It's pointless. The states don't need federal meddling in education.

New York and California are the most illiterate states in the country.

Both states are so poorly run, it's no surprise that in a time when most states are growing, these two are seeing hundreds of thousands leave and taking house seats with them.

New York and California represent 4% of the states in the USA but more than 22% of the economy in the USA.

Your literacy rate chart is a terrible metric of the quality of the education system.

But don’t worry, we used to have one person in charge of the Pell Grant program, now we’ll need fifty, one for each state, that’ll help us be more efficient!!

 

[trixare4kids]

Good. I don’t see why my tax dollars should fund the education of a bunch of children of MAGA. If they believe that their child’s education should focus on Noah’s family incest and Donald’s golf prowess, then they should pay for it on their own dime, not mine. My state can afford science-based education for all children if we don’t need to keep red states float financially,

What about the children?

 

[trixare4kids]

It just means that red states will fall further behind.

So will blue states especially in urban areas.

 

[trixare4kids]

Good - education isn’t a constitutional federal government power.

No, it isn't, but Trump hasn't been granted the court's permission to dismantle the department. This should fall under the purview of congress.

 

[Slartibartfast]

So will blue states especially in urban areas.

Blue states will likely continue high achievement.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Good - education isn’t a constitutional federal government power.

WTF does that even mean?

 

[Buster Keaton]

The Dept of Education is just another grift for the corrupt Democrats.

 

[trixare4kids]

Have a source for your graphic?

A reverse Google image search leads to a X post.


Another search shows “adult literacy rates”, which is irrelevant to the topic of education -
Because both NY and CA have a high number of immigrants, etc that have NOT gone through education in the US or those respective states.



So, if you have the link showing what data your image is from…kindly share.

California: Only 32% of fourth graders read at or above proficient levels, meaning ~68% are not proficient (high illiteracy). Factors include a large English learner population (1 million of 6 million students), underfunded schools, and inconsistent reading instruction.

New York: About 35% of fourth graders are proficient, so ~65% are not, indicating high illiteracy. Urban school challenges and diverse populations contribute.

New Jersey: Around 40% of fourth graders are proficient (~60% not proficient), better than California but still notable illiteracy.

Assessments - Reading | NAEP

Information about the NAEP Reading assessment.

nces.ed.gov

 

[marduc]

Investing in the education of your nation is the most effective investment towards the future of your nation.

 

[Atreus21]

I think it’s probably very comforting to believe that the “other side” is always as bad or worse than you, but that doesn’t make it accurate.

Don't you do that?

 

[Absentglare]

California: Only 32% of fourth graders read at or above proficient levels, meaning ~68% are not proficient (high illiteracy). Factors include a large English learner population (1 million of 6 million students), underfunded schools, and inconsistent reading instruction.

New York: About 35% of fourth graders are proficient, so ~65% are not, indicating high illiteracy. Urban school challenges and diverse populations contribute.

New Jersey: Around 40% of fourth graders are proficient (~60% not proficient), better than California but still notable illiteracy.

Assessments - Reading | NAEP

Information about the NAEP Reading assessment.

nces.ed.gov

Your post demonstrates poor literacy.

NOTE: NAEP achievement levels are to be used on a trial basis and should be interpreted and used with caution. It should be noted that the NAEP Proficient achievement level does not represent grade level proficiency as determined by other assessment standards (e.g., state or district assessments). Detail may not sum to totals because of rounding.

 

[trixare4kids]

Blue states will likely continue high achievement.

No.

The percentage of students in California who performed at or above the NAEP Proficient level was 29 percent in 2024. This percentage was not significantly different from that in 2022 (31 percent) and was greater than that in 1998 (20 percent). • The percentage of students in California who performed at or above the NAEP Basic level was 56 percent in 2024. This percentage was not significantly different from that in 2022 (58 percent) and was greater than that in 1998 (48 percent).

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nces.ed.gov

In 2024, the average score of fourth-grade students in New York was 215. This was not significantly different from the average score of 214 for students in the nation. • The average score for students in New York in 2024 (215) was not significantly different from their average score in 2022 (214) and in 1998 (215). • The percentage of students in New York who performed at or above the NAEP Proficient level was 31 percent in 2024. This percentage was not significantly different from that in 2022 (30 percent) and in 1998 (29 percent). • The percentage of students in New York who performed at or above the NAEP Basic level was 59 percent in 2024. This percentage was not significantly different from that in 2022 (58 percent) and in 1998 (62 percent).

Assessments - Reading | NAEP

Information about the NAEP Reading assessment.

nces.ed.gov

 

[Slartibartfast]

No.

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nces.ed.gov

Assessments - Reading | NAEP

Information about the NAEP Reading assessment.

nces.ed.gov

Now do Arkansas.