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Is dismantling the department of education good or bad?

Is dismantling the department of education good or bad?

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Trump announced that he’s dismantling the department of education.

It’s obviously not legal but SCOTUS used the shadow docket to give him cover.

Context: This will mean a lot of children will fall behind. It’s one more way that Trump cuts spending by cutting money that goes back to everyday Americans. At the same time, we see spending increasing, ramping up wildly, so the debt is getting worse.

Is dismantling the department of education good or bad?
 
Absentglare said:
Trump announced that he’s dismantling the department of education.

It’s obviously not legal but SCOTUS used the shadow docket to give him cover.

Context: This will mean a lot of children will fall behind. It’s one more way that Trump cuts spending by cutting money that goes back to everyday Americans. At the same time, we see spending increasing, ramping up wildly, so the debt is getting worse.

Is dismantling the department of education good or bad?
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Are states incapable of running their own school systems?
 
Good. I don’t see why my tax dollars should fund the education of a bunch of children of MAGA. If they believe that their child’s education should focus on Noah’s family incest and Donald’s golf prowess, then they should pay for it on their own dime, not mine. My state can afford science-based education for all children if we don’t need to keep red states float financially,
 
I'm going to say it's bad, and I completely encourage it. It's the first step to cutting all Federal Funding of education. Oh you'll hear about Grants and money paid to the States. But the Republicans always promise such things, they just never actually deliver on it.

This means that the Red States that have the worst education systems in the Nation, some worse than nations that can't manage to get the electricity on reliably, will continue to drop.
 
It just means that red states will fall further behind.
 
aociswundumho said:
Half the country is illiterate already. It's time to try something other than government-run skools.
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It works remarkably well in the whole rest of the world.


www.brookings.edu

As China’s economy advances, investments into public education expand | Brookings

Michael Hansen and Ariel Chung compare China and the U.S.'s education spending as a share of GDP, exploring trends and insights.
www.brookings.edu www.brookings.edu

byolacademy.com

Investment: 3rd Engine of Growth | | BYOL Academy

Investment is the driving force behind India's economic transformation, acting as the third engine of growth alongside agriculture and MSMEs. This
byolacademy.com byolacademy.com


www.sotheycan.org

Unlocking the Future: The Crucial Role of Education in Africa - So They Can

The importance of education in Africa is undeniable. It is a potent tool for economic development, societal progress, poverty alleviation and individual empowerment.
www.sotheycan.org www.sotheycan.org

Why investing in public education pays off – Berkeley Initiative for Young Americans

youngamericans.berkeley.edu youngamericans.berkeley.edu

It only seems to do poorly in red states in America. Here’s why:

hartmannreport.com

Why are Red State Citizens Poorer, Less Educated, & Sicker than Blue State Citizens?

Republicans worship cheap labor — and having a steady and reliable supply of cheap labor requires widespread poverty…
hartmannreport.com hartmannreport.com
 
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Airyaman said:
I'm neutral. I can't honestly say that having a federal department of education actually makes US education better or worse.
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That’s a lot of additional (borrowed?) annual federal spending to ‘invest’ for no apparent improvement.
 
Noodlegawd said:
Are states incapable of running their own school systems?
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It would appear they can't maintain the government standards as it is, so yes. What's needed is a national minimum standard, with staff to monitor compliance, wit teeth to intervene in failing states.
 
I remain convinced that the Department of Education is a mixed bag of benefits and hinderances to the educational standards our kids receive, and like everything else politics touches the intention for the department and our kids has been lost to political spin cycle.

How it has influenced and handled higher education student debt has been a complete shit show, and the level of bureaucratic inefficiency is legendary.

No matter how much money is thrown at the department there is no statistical basis showing overall improvement in educational outcome, improved testing scores, improved graduation rates, or really preparedness for college or life when looking at the real results against comparable nations.

All of this is an argument to revamp the system and the department, dismantling it will become a very hollow victory lap for Republicans.

No choice but to vote neutral, no real goals for our kids will be achieved throwing more money at it or entirely dismantling it.
 
OrphanSlug said:
I remain convinced that the Department of Education is a mixed bag of benefits and hinderances to the educational standards our kids receive, and like everything else politics touches the intention for the department and our kids has been lost to political spin cycle.

How it has influenced and handled higher education student debt has been a complete shit show, and the level of bureaucratic inefficiency is legendary.

No matter how much money is thrown at the department there is no statistical basis showing overall improvement in educational outcome, improved testing scores, improved graduation rates, or really preparedness for college or life when looking at the real results against comparable nations.

All of this is an argument to revamp the system and the department, dismantling it will become a very hollow victory lap for Republicans.

No choice but to vote neutral, no real goals for our kids will be achieved throwing more money at it or entirely dismantling it.
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That (bolded above) seems like a great reason to abolish it, while I see no counter argument presented.
 
Manc Skipper said:
It would appear they can't maintain the government standards as it is, so yes. What's needed is a national minimum standard, with staff to monitor compliance, wit teeth to intervene in failing states.
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You're describing GWB's No Child Left Behind. People complained that such measures result in teaching to the test and a narrowing of the curriculum. It was replaced 14 years later in 2015 to give more control back to the states.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That (bolded above) seems like a great reason to abolish it, while I see no counter argument presented.
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The counter argument is that if you don't have unified standards, you will wind up with red states teaching their kids Jesus won the civil war riding a dinosaur into battle.
 
Malevolent.
 
Republicans starve local budgets too, which is why this is all cynical. And all this babble about state run schools, the solution is of course to take taxpayer money to fund conservative madrassas.
 
Not all MAGAs are dumb. A bunch are of course but not all of them.

I know a huge MAGA who owns a very profitable medium-sized construction company. Very smart, far right wing Christian. Doesn't even like Christmas.

I know another huge Trump supporter who is in the pharmaceutical industry and is brilliant at his job and manages tons of people as part of a supply chain.

Another is a back surgeon. Great at his job and runs a very successful practice.

Yet another is an architect. Has tons of business and > 10 architects work for him (at any point in time). His company just rocks.

One thing they all have in common is advanced degrees. Two of them grew up dirt poor.
 
JoeB131 said:
Yet the two lowest literacy rate states are - wait for it - California and New York

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Have a source for your graphic?

A reverse Google image search leads to a X post.


Another search shows “adult literacy rates”, which is irrelevant to the topic of education -
Because both NY and CA have a high number of immigrants, etc that have NOT gone through education in the US or those respective states.

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So, if you have the link showing what data your image is from…kindly share.
 
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