Is CNN Turning Over a New Leaf?

[Chomsky]

I have an announcement!!!

APRIL FOOLS!!!

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Haha!

 

[Chomsky]

I have no idea if CNN has "turned a new leaf'. I don't watch CNN. I do not think they have an ounce of credibility. Years ago, though, they had a show called Crossfire. It was a debate show with a liberal pundit and a conservative pundit. I tried to catch it every chance I could. I also liked watching Jake Tapper's show but the last few years, he became intolerable.

Personally, I do not think we have a media we can trust. where many publications in print or broadcasting have an agenda. The overwhelming media as a whole lean left politically and that is the agenda they push . Our media covering politics are located in very leftist locations which does not represent the values of the majority throughout the country. And the overwhelming majority do not trust them for good reason.

I too, was a fan of Crossfire!

Remember when Tucker hosted it? And let's not forget Lou Dobbs was once CNN's biggest star!

I posted all this, earlier. Will we ever see a cable news channel with that level of diversity again? I hope so! In fact, I hope it's CNN!

 

[MAGAnificent]

Most of you have heard by now that CNN broke the story that Donald Trump was doing nothing out of the ordinary bypassing the WH switchboard on Jan 6. He mostly used the switchboard for calls when he was in the residence, but not at work. So the 'BOMBSHELL' of 7 +hours of calls missing from the WH phone logs (reported by WaPo) was a nothing burger.

The point is, can you imagine CNN going after a story like that a year ago, that makes Donald look less guilty? I could see them mentioning it, maybe, if another outlet found it out, but to go burrowing for tne truth? About DJT? Not a year ago.

There's been a change in management at CNN. Zucker is gone, Chris Licht is in. He is reported to want to return CNN to a hard-news outlet. They did take one of Fox's most respected interviewers, Chris Wallace, although I hear he's only on the streaming service programming right now. CNN has also merged with Discovery, which may make a difference. Or not.

Do any of you who watch cable news see any difference yet in CNN?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/02/28/chris-licht-cnn-zucker/

Last time I tuned into CNN, they were the only 24 hour cable news network. They were left leaning, however somewhat respectable at the time. Zucker ultimately turned it into something less respected then used toilet paper. With Zucker gone, they can only go up. As for Chris Wallace, he is a bit too much of a narcissist to have any positive effect.

 

[Chomsky]

i all serious though, i love when people go after the truth.


now, having said that, honest people seeking the truth almost always lose (at least short term) to massive liars who will break any rule or law. it's like trying to fight warriors with daisies.

I disagree!

Arguing from the truth is the easiest thing one can do. Because, your arguments are unassailable. There's little to defend. There's no 'angles' or 'analogies' to remember. The whole key is to never allow your opponent to the pull the debated item off-track. Stick rigorously to the topic, presenting factual truth and nothing else. It's actually easier than it sounds, and it's deadly effective.

Probably one of the best pieces of advice we can give our kids, is to choose one's battles carefully. That applies in spades to debating. Only debate when you are sure you are arguing from the truth. If you're not sure, don't debate! Converse! You might learn something!

 

[Chomsky]

Last time I tuned into CNN, they were the only 24 hour cable news network. They were left leaning, however somewhat respectable at the time. Zucker ultimately turned it into something less respected then used toilet paper. With Zucker gone, they can only go up. As for Chris Wallace, he is a bit too much of a narcissist to have any positive effect.

I suspect they believe Chris would anchor CNN+ and pull it up. Instead, I suspect it may pull Chris down!

I would have loved to see him in a prominent position on the main feed. Such a lost opportunity, it would seem.

 

[Fishking]

If I may comment, you strike me as sometimes presenting an amalgam of somewhat diverse POV's, from seemingly both sides of the political spectrum. I see this as a good thing. And of course it's just my opinion, and could be wrong.

I think my positions pretty diverse but I do see myself a mostly an amalgamation of conservative/libertarian ideology but some stuff comes off as pretty liberal (e.g. against death penalty, against felony status, against prisoners or anyone losing voting rights, anti-interventionism, ect).

 

[vesper]

I too, was a fan of Crossfire!

Remember when Tucker hosted it? And let's not forget Lou Dobbs was once CNN's biggest star!

I posted all this, earlier. Will we ever see a cable news channel with that level of diversity again? I hope so! In fact, I hope it's CNN!

Chomsky it was a time when people of different political ideologies could sit down and have a discussion with a decorum of civility in their disagreement and at times find common ground. Today it has become an exercise in personal destruction.

 

[Nickyjo]

Most of you have heard by now that CNN broke the story that Donald Trump was doing nothing out of the ordinary bypassing the WH switchboard on Jan 6. He mostly used the switchboard for calls when he was in the residence, but not at work. So the 'BOMBSHELL' of 7 +hours of calls missing from the WH phone logs (reported by WaPo) was a nothing burger.

The point is, can you imagine CNN going after a story like that a year ago, that makes Donald look less guilty? I could see them mentioning it, maybe, if another outlet found it out, but to go burrowing for tne truth? About DJT? Not a year ago.

There's been a change in management at CNN. Zucker is gone, Chris Licht is in. He is reported to want to return CNN to a hard-news outlet. They did take one of Fox's most respected interviewers, Chris Wallace, although I hear he's only on the streaming service programming right now. CNN has also merged with Discovery, which may make a difference. Or not.

Do any of you who watch cable news see any difference yet in CNN?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/02/28/chris-licht-cnn-zucker/

Give us a break. CNN's reporting is fine. Trump is responsible for negative reporting when he does negative things. The key question about the gap in phone logs is if it is the norm, if there have always been such gaps in Trump's logs. A rush to judgement by the media if this is a nothingburger is regrettable, but understandable. Trump' actions in the past of tearing up memos and the like, of not cooperating with investigations, of urging the crowd on Jan 6, an of taking so long to speak out against the violence raises legit suspicions about what he does. Note that he already seemed to lie about not knowing what a burner phone is.

 

[MaryP]

Give us a break. CNN's reporting is fine. Trump is responsible for negative reporting when he does negative things. The key question about the gap in phone logs is if it is the norm, if there have always been such gaps in Trump's logs. A rush to judgement by the media if this is a nothingburger is regrettable, but understandable. Trump' actions in the past of tearing up memos and the like, of not cooperating with investigations, of urging the crowd on Jan 6, an of taking so long to speak out against the violence raises legit suspicions about what he does. Note that he already seemed to lie about not knowing what a burner phone is.

At last, a CNN fan! Have you noticed any change in reporting lately?

 

[Nickyjo]

At last, a CNN fan! Have you noticed any change in reporting lately?

Actually, being a lefty, I dutifully watch MSNBC, CNN occasionally, and FOX for a laugh or two.

 

[Chomsky]

Chomsky it was a time when people of different political ideologies could sit down and have a discussion with a decorum of civility in their disagreement and at times find common ground. Today it has become an exercise in personal destruction.

We've all done it to ourselves, even you & I Vesper.

I wish it wasn't so, and I've been trying to make strides, but it ain't easy.

However, this thread gives me hope.

 

[Chomsky]

I think my positions pretty diverse but I do see myself a mostly an amalgamation of conservative/libertarian ideology but some stuff comes off as pretty liberal (e.g. against death penalty, against felony status, against prisoners or anyone losing voting rights, anti-interventionism, ect).

'Liberal' and 'Libertarian' have a lot of commonality, at least in classical context.

But just as I believe Conservatism has been corrupted recently, I feel obliged to say the same about 'Liberalism.

I never, ever, thought I'd see the day when 'Liberalism' was being co-opted to stymie & constrain speech - on university campuses no less! Wha??? A 'Safe Place'? 'Safe', from what? From free speech? Huh???

 

[Chomsky]

At last, a CNN fan! Have you noticed any change in reporting lately?

*raises hand higher*

"Hey! You missed me!"

 

[MaryP]

*raises hand higher*

"Hey! You missed me!"

Oh, sorry! Any changes so far?

 

[911Sparky]

I had not watched CNN since 2016 because of its biased reporting about The Donald.

But recently I have been watching its Ukraine coverage (along with FOX's).

Hopefully it will return to unbiased reporting of just the facts.

You mean like Fox unbiased coverage?

 

[Chomsky]

Actually, being a lefty, I dutifully watch MSNBC, CNN occasionally, and FOX for a laugh or two.

Despite the constant chanting of 'Liberal Media', there's only one substantive 'Liberal' Cable Channel that I'm aware, and that's MSNBC. CNN is only slightly Liberal and actually much closer to Center, than Liberal.

Meanwhile there Fox, Newsmax, OANN, with Fox being a powerhouse that can engulf both CNN & MSNBC! And I haven't even touched on Sinclair! The Right Wing & Conservatives have plenty of self-reinforcing viewing options!

 

[911Sparky]

Oh, please, PV. All of the major news networks are biased to the left or right.

This is probably true, but only Fox allows their on-air talent to share the stage at a political rally.

 

[Chomsky]

Oh, sorry! Any changes so far?

I posted earlier.

Essentially, I saw the focus come off Trump about a month after 1/6. And things seemed to calm down quite a bit, though the Big Lie mantra is often in focus, and I think justifiably so.

So there were recent changes, but I ascribed it to Trump being out of office, rather than an ideological change.

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I was around when Lou Dobbs was the top ranked CNN spot, as well as his being the star and voice of the place. Tucker Carlson was hosting 'Cross Fire', which was one of the best things out, either there or anywhere. It was not McLaughlin Group, but it was similar in nature and pretty darn good.

While mentioning McLaughlin, let's not forget the Conservative former Catholic Priest had a show on MSNBC!

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Yeah - you used to be able to get a full spectrum of opinion on cable, but not these days. Then again, on A.M radio back in the day, you might hear Dylan, Sinatra, Johnny Cash, and James Brown, all on the same station!

When the hell did we get so damn close-minded?

 

[RAMOSS]

I posted earlier.

Essentially, I saw the focus come off Trump about a month after 1/6. And things seemed to calm down quite a bit, though the Big Lie mantra is often in focus, and I think justifiably so.

So there were recent changes, but I ascribed it to Trump being out of office, rather than an ideological change.

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I was around when Lou Dobbs was the top ranked CNN spot, as well as his being the star and voice of the place. Tucker Carlson was hosting 'Cross Fire', which was one of the best things out, either there or anywhere. It was not McLaughlin Group, but it was similar in nature and pretty darn good.

While mentioning McLaughlin, let's not forget the Conservative former Catholic Priest had a show on MSNBC!

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Yeah - you used to be able to get a full spectrum of opinion on cable, but not these days. Then again, on A.M radio back in the day, you might hear Dylan, Sinatra, Johnny Cash, and James Brown, all on the same station!

When the hell did we get so damn close-minded?

Because all the media is owned by a very small group of conglomerate, and news became a business rather than a service.
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[MaryP]

Despite the constant chanting of 'Liberal Media', there's only one substantive 'Liberal' Cable Channel that I'm aware, and that's MSNBC. CNN is only slightly Liberal and actually much closer to Center, than Liberal.

Meanwhile there Fox, Newsmax, OANN, with Fox being a powerhouse that can engulf both CNN & MSNBC! And I haven't even touched on Sinclair! The Right Wing & Conservatives have plenty of self-reinforcing viewing options!

Yes, when you look at that array of l/r media, there is as much right wing media. It amazes me that many wingers actually believe they are being censored or outnumbered or something. Amazing.

 

[MaryP]

I posted earlier.

Essentially, I saw the focus come off Trump about a month after 1/6. And things seemed to calm down quite a bit, though the Big Lie mantra is often in focus, and I think justifiably so.

So there were recent changes, but I ascribed it to Trump being out of office, rather than an ideological change.

--

I was around when Lou Dobbs was the top ranked CNN spot, as well as his being the star and voice of the place. Tucker Carlson was hosting 'Cross Fire', which was one of the best things out, either there or anywhere. It was not McLaughlin Group, but it was similar in nature and pretty darn good.

While mentioning McLaughlin, let's not forget the Conservative former Catholic Priest had a show on MSNBC!

--

Yeah - you used to be able to get a full spectrum of opinion on cable, but not these days. Then again, on A.M radio back in the day, you might hear Dylan, Sinatra, Johnny Cash, and James Brown, all on the same station!

When the hell did we get so damn close-minded?

Thanks for the feedback. I never saw Crossfire. Sounds like a lot of people liked it.

 

[upsideguy]

That's a great graphic! And it seems to coincide with my anecdotal experience.

Can you share where you got it?

https://adfontesmedia.com/

The have published this chart for several years. If you get your hands on older ones, you will see the long slow slide of Fox News from a right of center news organization to what it is today, a step above, or maybe even in, the class of "news" that I call political porn. Its not really news, just a place people go to indulge in their fantasies.

 

[Chomsky]

Yes, when you look at that array of l/r media, there is as much right wing media. It amazes me that many wingers actually believe they are being censored or outnumbered or something. Amazing.

Yep. There's irony in watching the Fox show 'outnumbered', when Trump had it all - the House & Senate & SCOTUS.

I can't stand Trump & the GOP's constant promoting of victim-hood . . .

 

[Chomsky]

https://adfontesmedia.com/

The have published this chart for several years. If you get your hands on older ones, you will see the long slow slide of Fox News from a right of center news organization to what it is today, a step above, or maybe even in, the class of "news" that I call political porn. Its not really news, just a place people go to indulge in their fantasies.

Thanks for the link & your observations.

Yeah, I've since found the link.

 

[The AntiDonald]

Yes.

Promoting Donald Trump's Big Lie Stolen Election is not a fact. In fact, it may be one of the worst things Fox has ever done. Since Trump just admitted that he did lose the election, some so called news outlets should start cooking their crow. They will be eating a lot of it.