I believe it is a choice.
Missouri Mule said:I think that gays are demon possessed. It is the only possible excuse for their behavior.
Actually, I'm just kidding (really). I have come to believe it is hard wired into their brains. I don't pretend to understand it but the evidence certainly points in that direction.
What I wish as a heterosexual is that everyone's sex life be kept in the closet where it belongs. I don't really need to hear about it. When I start having it crammed down my throat is when I get pissed off. To gays, I say do your own thing (within the law.) I don't want to be constantly reminded about it. It's none of my damned business and I have a right to say enough is enough. Shut up about it, already.
jallman said:Actually, I couldnt agree with you more. I know, shocker huh? I dont see straights touting their "pride" over being straight. I have a real hard time with "pride" festivals and parades because it just seem garish and serves to perpetuate the stereotype. However, I do think it is necessary to overcome prejudice, but I think that can be done without talking about your sex life. I think if more gays worked to integrate through similarities rather than focus on differences then maybe we wouldnt have such a hard time getting the legal recognition (notice I said recognition, not protection) that is appropriate.
Because in the past, I choose to be Lesbian/bi(well i guess was more or less bi, cause i desired both sexually but i leaned twoards girls a bit more)...I thought wow, i couldnt help but look at girls butts all the time and dream about them touching me and kissing me all over etc...y not peace? said:well not that i am defending a personal issue, but how would you know unless you are gay. Ive heard of gay men that wish they could be attracted to women, but they simpley CANT....its not a choice.
Its like for straight men. It is simply not possible for me to be attrcated to men. I just seem to be attracted to breasts, nice butts, and so on and so fourth.
So to conclude: don't asume something unless you have been in that situation before (well as least for this subject).
teenonfire4him77 said:I believe it is a choice.
No one wants that to be humliated and/or frowned on.
If someone wants to openly practice their orientation in a society that looks down upon it, its on them. Some argue that it is some genetic make-up that is invovled with that, i think thats a bunch of crap.
You choose to like someone of your gender, or you can choose not to.
Connecticutter said:So I think what we're coming to is this:
Sexual Orientation is not a choice (it is determined by some combination of genetics and experiances - probably more by genetics in my opinion, but either way, its not a choice.)
Behavior is a choice. You can choose who your partners are. Is it right to expect a gay person to live a heterosexual life? Well, maybe not, but its at least physically possible for them to do it.
y not peace? said:well not that i am defending a personal issue, but how would you know unless you are gay. Ive heard of gay men that wish they could be attracted to women, but they simpley CANT....its not a choice.
Its like for straight men. It is simply not possible for me to be attrcated to men. I just seem to be attracted to breasts, nice butts, and so on and so fourth.
So to conclude: don't asume something unless you have been in that situation before (well as least for this subject).
Napoleon's Nightingale said:As a gay man I think I can answer this question. I have never at anytime been sexually attracted to women..I've never been abused, I grew up in a religious family, I never knew anyone gay growing up, yet I've never been sexually attracted to women. There really is no way to explain it other than genetics. There are those who believe that they are gay partially by choice or because of certain psychological and enviornmental factors from their upbrining which I can understand however that is not the case for every homosexual.
jallman said:Actually, I couldnt agree with you more. I know, shocker huh? I dont see straights touting their "pride" over being straight. I have a real hard time with "pride" festivals and parades because it just seem garish and serves to perpetuate the stereotype. However, I do think it is necessary to overcome prejudice, but I think that can be done without talking about your sex life. I think if more gays worked to integrate through similarities rather than focus on differences then maybe we wouldnt have such a hard time getting the legal recognition (notice I said recognition, not protection) that is appropriate.
aps said:Hmmm. That is an interesting concept.
One of the things that is interesting to me is that people were against desegregation way back when. Well, now we have it, but it took time for people to get used to it. I went to college in the late 1980s. I was in Houston, Texas. When I went to smaller towns in Texas and told them I was in Houston, many people would say, "Aren't there a lot of blacks there?" I would say, "So what?" Anyway, my point is that I believe gay people want people to be exposed to their lifestyle so that they can come to terms with it and learn to accept it.
Napoleon's Nightingale said:I agree with that assesment however I don't believe that it's wise to traumatize the world into accepting us. It's far wiser and more productive to ease the world into it, not at a snails pace mind you, than to attempt to make every change at once. Unfortunatley we do not have the same level of protection under the law so expressing ourselves too much results in brutalization. Many heterosexuals deny this fact and say that we are treated equally in the court of law but there are dozens and dozens of cases which show otherwise. For example, the murderer of Joel Rolbes used the infamous "gay panic" defense and was sentanced to only 3 years in prison for the acctual murder and an additional 1 year for using scissors as a weapon. Outrageous? You bet. This is why we have to be careful.
Straight or normal people never hide in closets either.jallman said:I dont see straights touting their "pride" over being straight.
Have the homosexuals in actup ever done anything to harass people that speak out against the perversion of homosexuality? YesNapoleon's Nightingale said:I've been to several marches and parades here in Columbus and I've seen some terrible and often inflamitory actions done on the part of heterosexual protesters.
I believe it is a choice.
No one wants that to be humliated and/or frowned on.
If someone wants to openly practice their orientation in a society that looks down upon it, its on them. Some argue that it is some genetic make-up that is invovled with that, i think thats a bunch of crap.
You choose to like someone of your gender, or you can choose not to.
DHard3006 said:Straight or normal people never hide in closets either.
Have the homosexuals in actup ever done anything to harass people that speak out against the perversion of homosexuality? Yes
The first killing to be labeled a thrill killing in America was done by two homosexuals.
If it was not a choice to be a perverted homosexual then they would not attempt to hide it.
jallman said:Oh dear, where do these loons come from? Please show me links to this first thrill killing. I would be interested to see what qualifies as a thrill killing. And please do tell me what this harassment is also.
I do not hide anything about myself, but nor do I flaunt it in a rude way. You on the other hand, are an affront to all civility.
aps said:So why is the behavior to choose a member of the opposite sex somehow better than the behavior to choose a member of the same sex?
What do you mean by "physically possible for them to do it"? Do what?
Connecticutter said:I think you may have misinterpreted what I was saying. I do not believe that choosing a member of the opposite sex is somehow superior.
The point I was trying to make is that a homosexual can choose to avoid sexual contact with members of the same gender. It's a choice in that sense.
That being said, I think it is wrong to expect gay individuals to do that. You're just going to make a lot of people miserable.
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