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Is Bannon on his way out?

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From Axios:

President Trump has told close associates that he believes Steve Bannon is behind damaging leaks about White House colleagues, putting the chief strategist's job in fresh jeopardy, sources close to the president tell me [Jonathan Swan*].

...Key West Wing colleagues believe Bannon is an instigator of leaks targeting National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster. The stories have been driven by Breitbart News, where Bannon was executive chairman before joining Trump's presidential campaign as chief executive in August. On Thursday, Trump backed McMaster as "our friend." https://www.axios.com/steve-bannons-job-in-jeopardy-trump-suspects-him-of-leaking-2472208484.html

Swan reports that Chief of Staff Kelly is expected to do "the dirty work."

*Jonathan Swan is an Australian journalist currently serving as a national political reporter for Axios, the new media company launched by Politico founders Mike Allen and Jim VandeHei. Swan covers the Trump presidency and Republican leaders on Capitol Hill.

 
If he's not he should be.
 

If he fired Bannon, would that in your estimation, be an insight into the fickle nature of being in Donald Trumps good and ill graces? Being in Donald Trump's good graces when you praise him and win him shiny ribbons and bows. And being in his ill graces when Trump needs someone to blame. Because Trump is emotionally and intellectually incapable of admitting fault.
 
Is Bannon on the way out?

I would hope so. Followed soon by Trump!
 
Chomsky said:
Is Bannon on the way out?

I would hope so. Followed soon by Trump!
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We really need Trump to stay in office. Trump isn't being very effective or re-electible, Pence may be much more effective as his replacement. I'd prefer Trump over Pence.
 
Trump is, at times, a conservative like Rand Paul but he's not a Conservative like Mike Pence, Jeb! or Bannon...or imagep.
 
imagep said:
We really need Trump to stay in office. Trump isn't being very effective or re-electible, Pence may be much more effective as his replacement. I'd prefer Trump over Pence.
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cabse5 said:
Trump is, at times, a conservative like Rand Paul but he's not a Conservative like Mike Pence, Jeb! or Bannon...or imagep.
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This..
 
nota bene said:
Perhaps you could explain why?
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Stephen Bannon is Donald Trumps ideological guru and the official White House Chief Strategist in the Trump administration. He is an ex-founder/ex-editor of Breitbart News which Bannon himself described as "the platform for the alt-right". Controversial and virulently anti-establishment, Bannon's ideology has persuaded Trump to appoint Cabinet level officials with open-hostility to the institutions in their charge. Breitbart under Bannon had also been criticized for publishing racist, sexist, xenophobic and anti-Semitic articles.

IMHO, such a personality should remain a fringe ideologue rather than Trumps official über-nationalist mentor in the Oval Office.
 
imagep said:
We really need Trump to stay in office. Trump isn't being very effective or re-electible, Pence may be much more effective as his replacement. I'd prefer Trump over Pence.
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Honestly, I think I see Trump as more damaging than Pence in many ways.

I can't imagine Pence stoking that hatred, nationalism, and xenophobia, in the manner of Trump. The Southern Poverty Law center claims a tripling of hate groups in the past two years, and I firmly believe Trump is the reason. He's given license to hatred we haven't seen for many decades. It may have been festering here and there mostly underground, but now it's been given license and reasonable acceptance. And it's growing. One need only to look towards Charlotteville.

Yes, Pence would advance tons of legislation against the middle, working, and poor classes. He also would also rescind a fair amount of social progress. But that's what happens when you lose an election; the other guys legislate their causes.

But I see Trump in a special class. He's highly autocratic with disdain for the democratic process and democratic institutions, and as can be seen by comments in this thread he's become more and more Bannon-like.
 
cabse5 said:
Trump is, at times, a conservative like Rand Paul but he's not a Conservative like Mike Pence, Jeb! or Bannon...or imagep.
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I can't imagine putting Bannon in the same vein of "conservatism" as Jeb & Pence, particularly Jeb.
 

But pence has not condemned the white supremacists either.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
But pence has not condemned the white supremacists either.
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I was not aware, either way.

My gut feeling is Pence as Pres would condemn it specifically, but currently under the dictator's thumb he may not?

But that's just conjecture on my part. I do admit though that Pence can be beholden of the nasty part of the Right's qualities at times, too.
 
Chomsky said:
I can't imagine putting Bannon in the same vein of "conservatism" as Jeb & Pence, particularly Jeb.
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They're all social justice Conservatives. Big government Conservatives.
 
Bannon is alt-right?? How do you explain Bannon's suggestion to tax the ultra-rich 44 percent as an alt-right position? You can't. Bannon isn't alt-right. Bannon is big government right.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-26/bannon-is-said-to-call-for-44-tax-on-incomes-above-5-million
 

Bannon leaves when Trump leaves.
 

Bannon is probably the guy leaking stuff on Kushner too. I don;t think Trump hurts himself by firing Bannon at all. In fact, it might be a great first step in the right direction.

Better late than never.
 
calamity said:
Bannon is probably the guy leaking stuff on Kushner too. I don;t think Trump hurts himself by firing Bannon at all. In fact, it might be a great first step in the right direction.

Better late than never.
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Yeah, and then Bannon will get his revenge by turning the breitbart supporters againist trump.
 

It would be a positive in my view if Bannon were removed. He's just a little too whacky to have around the levers of power. He's smart, but smart + crazy is rather dangerous.
 
Trump has a choice to make and it'll be interesting to see what he does. He can continue to Pander to the basest elements which bannon is the strategist for or he can change and become president of more Americans. Should Trump choose to continue to appeal to the Breitbart Birther group he will continue diminish in the polls and become just a footnote in history.
 
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