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I agree with you entirely, but... Muhammed Ali? He WAS the greatest, wasn't he?
Once again, you don't seem to have any idea what your political opponents actually have to say. That entitlement that you oppose, it only exists in your own mind. We don't say anything like that. We don't advocate anything like that. The only ones expressing that kind of entitlement are the Tea Partiers whining that they don't want to pay taxes anymore, despite using government to enrich their lives for decades and passing the bill on to my generation. The entitled person is the one with the "keep your government hands off my Medicare" sign.
Sadly at least 18,000 to 20,000 civilians have died in the course of this "excision". Civilian casualties in the war in Afghanistan (2001Correct. If the U.S. doesn't demand an apology or reparations from Afghanistan for harboring al-Qaeda after it bombed our embassies and killed thousands of innocent people on 9/11, then it shouldn't presume that it did nothing wrong. But do we owe Afghanistan an apology for excising this cancer from the country? No.
They beheaded citizens of ours. That alone is enough in my opinion to obliterate every last one of them. And, yes, we've been killing terrorists for a long time, and we might have to keep killing them, but every one you eliminate is one less threat you have to deal with. The fact that we haven't had another 9/11 is evidence that we must be doing something right. On the other hand, I'd like to see your evidence that if we didn't confront them with force they wouldn't pose a threat. At some point I think ISIS will be relegated to the dustbin of history. I can't say when, but it will happen, most likely because some people with a lot of weapons just decide to kick ass. Whether we'll be included among the ass kickers I can't say.
I quoted John Kerry's exact words from the article in which he accepted that the USA had committed war crimes in the USA. His views on the whole article are not recorded.
So I am now possibly a "fool" who writes "nonsense"? Ad hominem stuff which again dodges the issue - getting uncomfortable is it? Shall we debate this properly and get into the definition of "war crime" and see how many of the estimated 20 million deaths caused by America in the last 50 years come within that category? Or, if you want, you can admit that the USA has committed war crimes in its recent past which have hugely dented its "greatness", and we can call it quits.
Once again, you don't seem to have any idea what your political opponents actually have to say. That entitlement that you oppose, it only exists in your own mind. We don't say anything like that. We don't advocate anything like that. The only ones expressing that kind of entitlement are the Tea Partiers whining that they don't want to pay taxes anymore, despite using government to enrich their lives for decades and passing the bill on to my generation. The entitled person is the one with the "keep your government hands off my Medicare" sign.
John Kerry's quotes were a small part of the article, which included a long list of war crimes alleged against the US. If it makes it any easier, then we could both have a look at the list of US war crimes on this list, choose just one to debate, and let each other know. I didn't mention Korea before - several million dead during US rule. But choose any country and allegation listed and we'll see if the allegations of war crimes stand up.Anyone who takes John Kerry's acceptance of American War crime accusations seriously is living in la la land. Kerry does not exactly have a history of credibility on the issue. That's why the swift boat veterans tore him a new ass**** when he ran for president in 2004 touting his military service. He slandered his fellow soldiers in Vietnam with accusations dreamed up by the so-called Winter Soldier investigation which was made up of primarily of soldiers claiming to have seen those alleged war crimes. It turned out that they had not even served a day in Vietnam. One of them did not even serve in the military.
Till he came along, we had to make do with Alexander, Catherine, Peter and Alfred.
You got me there. But we both forgot "Great Britain".You forgot Constantine, Justinian and Theodosius.
That's a good post. I am not usually given to throwing savage accusations at America for its own sake, but when Americans crow about being the greatest, they deserve to be dragged off their pedestals and I'm prepared to be merciless on this thread to achieve that aim. The Scots do the same to us English in similar situations and we deserve no less. I know plenty of Scots among my own family and friends, and when English people are not asserting their superiority, then many Scots are willing to freely pay us some genuine compliments, as equals. When we go looking for compliments, then unsurprisingly the opposite happens.
So we can assume that there at least 18,000 to 20,000 other people in Afghanistan who are very upset about American and allied attacks on their country.
But perhaps most significant, is the inbuilt propaganda system (not uncommon in other societies either,) which tells every American, from the time he/she can understand language, that everything American is ipso facto inherently superior to everything emanating from any other society. From their form of governance, through their laws, to their cultural practices, even extending to their automobiles. :shock:
I have to take exception with this one. There was a time when if you wanted to be the butt of a joke you bought a Chrysler, Ford, or AMC vehicle. Anyone remember the Pacer? Or the Pinto? Or the Cordoba? Of the Zephyr? These cars sucked balls. Only in recent years have domestic manufacturers made cars once again that Americans will buy, although they've always loved their American trucks and SUVs. Personally, I drive an eleven-year-old Camry and will probably drive it until the wheels falls off. I can't imagine ever owning a Ford again. One Taurus was enough.
John Kerry's quotes were a small part of the article, which included a long list of war crimes alleged against the US. If it makes it any easier, then we could both have a look at the list of US war crimes on this list, choose just one to debate, and let each other know. I didn't mention Korea before - several million dead during US rule. But choose any country and allegation listed and we'll see if the allegations of war crimes stand up.
List of US War Crimes
the US never ruled Korea. You are simply delusional.
Fair comment - I was guided (or was that misguided?) by a number of claims from seemingly patriotic Americans who claimed to own large US manufactured SUVs and things like Ford F150s and big Cadillacs. There was much sneering at German cars such as Mercedes, Audi and BMW, and I assumed from that, Americans considered their automotive products pre-eminent. I must confess I know very little about American cars, and have not heard of a Pacer, a Pinto, or a Cordoba. The only Cordoba of which I am aware is in Spain.
I think it's you who is delusional. The US army military government in Korea ruled the southern part of the peninsular from September 1945 to August 1948.
That was simply a temporary military occupation. By that reasoning the US "ruled" part of Germany for more than 40 years.
In fairness, I think there were regional differences regarding domestic versus foreign cars that have somewhat faded in recent years. People in the Midwest tended to be more loyal to domestic manufacturers because of the large manufacturing presence and blue-collar workforce there at the time. For many years if you lived in Michigan you took your life into your hands if you bought a Japanese car.On the other hand, sneering at Detroit products in California was pretty common. My stepdad was from Detroit. He was a "Ford man." After he passed away, one of the first things my mom did was trade in a Ford E-Series van and Freestyle for a Volkswagen Tiguan. She loves it. And here's a Pacer, the so-called "Hamster-mobile" or "Pregnant Egg":
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John Kerry's quotes were a small part of the article, which included a long list of war crimes alleged against the US. If it makes it any easier, then we could both have a look at the list of US war crimes on this list, choose just one to debate, and let each other know. I didn't mention Korea before - several million dead during US rule. But choose any country and allegation listed and we'll see if the allegations of war crimes stand up.
List of US War Crimes
Once again, you don't seem to have any idea what your political opponents actually have to say. That entitlement that you oppose, it only exists in your own mind. We don't say anything like that. We don't advocate anything like that. The only ones expressing that kind of entitlement are the Tea Partiers whining that they don't want to pay taxes anymore, despite using government to enrich their lives for decades and passing the bill on to my generation. The entitled person is the one with the "keep your government hands off my Medicare" sign.
It is a whacko nutjob site. I can't take it seriously.
Desperation is surely a poor indicator. You don't support the 'right to disagree'?Maybe the ones who believe that our country is not the greatest,would be best suited to find another country to live in.Funny how if were not that great of a country,Illegal immigrants wouldn't be dying to reach our soil.
Maybe the ones who believe that our country is not the greatest,would be best suited to find another country to live in.Funny how if were not that great of a country,Illegal immigrants wouldn't be dying to reach our soil.
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