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IRS Employee in Bombshell Congressional Interviews About Tea Party Targeting...

Not a thing.

Annoyed at a bunch of pointless braying, mostly.

Kinda fun watching Scandal*palooza unravel right before y'alls eyes, though.

And none of you see it. You just pivot to the next meaningless tidbit, hoping one will pan out. And when it doesn't, you just go on to the next conservative mediasphere tidbit.

And so on and so on....

You really need to contact your progressive legislators in Washington and let them in on what you know about all this. They obviously are not as enlightened or insightful as you obviously are. While you are at it, you need to contact our president and let him in on what you know.

Your unconscious bias is showing...you should be outraged that any government employee would single anyone out for undue attention based upon political lean.
 
No need to get hostile.

Why does 6 months seem long to you?

What are the rules for Unions?

Are Unions political?

Do Unions endorse political candidates?

Do you think Media Matters is a political organization?
Media Matters is a progressive organization, however they neither campaign for or against candidates. And despite what many think they monitor all media not just Fox.

Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media.
 
An employee of the IRS is saying that she was directed to do the illegal things by a person in Washington DC.

It seems reasonable that an employee would follow direction and this employee is saying that the direction came from Carter Hull.


Are you saying tis employee is lying?

please identify the ILLEGAL things the employee advised (s)he was required to do

if the employee said they were required to do illegal things then yes, they are lying
 
Not a thing.

Annoyed at a bunch of pointless braying, mostly.

Kinda fun watching Scandal*palooza unravel right before y'alls eyes, though.

And none of you see it. You just pivot to the next meaningless tidbit, hoping one will pan out. And when it doesn't, you just go on to the next conservative mediasphere tidbit.

And so on and so on....




It's really too soon for any of these to have "panned out".

I find it interesting that while the most corrupt administration in the history of the republic continues to abuse power and undermine the Constitution, you and others are happy to see it happening.

What is your vision of the perfect method of government?
 
1. How long is it supposed to take?

2, 3 and 4. You brought up the unions, so the onus is on you to provide the answers to these questions.

Media matters mainly criticizes consrvative media, right? Pretty sure they don't engage in direct political activity. Do they produce attack ads?



Media matters exists only to attack FOX.
 
please identify the ILLEGAL things the employee advised (s)he was required to do

if the employee said they were required to do illegal things then yes, they are lying


The employee was instructed to find organizations that were of a particular ideology and then obstruct the approval of their request to be classed as a 501 c 4 for no other reason than they were of a particular ideology.

The employee has named the individual that guided her by instructing her on how to do this and to which ideologies.

You seem to be asserting that discrimination is the best way to conduct government activity.

This apparently is the Democrat way to work. Maybe this is why you see no issue with it.
 
The employee was instructed to find organizations that were of a particular ideology and then obstruct the approval of their request to be classed as a 501 c 4 for no other reason than they were of a particular ideology.

The employee has named the individual that guided her by instructing her on how to do this and to which ideologies.

You seem to be asserting that discrimination is the best way to conduct government activity.

This apparently is the Democrat way to work. Maybe this is why you see no issue with it.

why i see this as a minor issue is a major fact:

NO illegal activity occurred
watch the congressional hearings. the question was put to the IG, 'where there any indications of illegal behavior'; 'was there any inkling that this was directed in a partisan way or influenced by the white house or treasury', and all answers to those questions by the IG were "NO"

but prove me wrong about this
show us anything which was done which was found by the IG to have been illegal. post your cite. make me eat crow. until then it is on your plate
 
why i see this as a minor issue is a major fact:

NO illegal activity occurred
watch the congressional hearings. the question was put to the IG, 'where there any indications of illegal behavior'; 'was there any inkling that this was directed in a partisan way or influenced by the white house or treasury', and all answers to those questions by the IG were "NO"

but prove me wrong about this
show us anything which was done which was found by the IG to have been illegal. post your cite. make me eat crow. until then it is on your plate




You are the one who posted the IG report.

You should have gleaned from that report that what the IG did was an audit, not an investigation. The investigation has only now just begun. It started at the point that the IG made his appearance before congress in May. Issa worked the IG over for not informing the Congress sooner of his findings and the IG said that a partial report would have been worse than waiting.

It took more than 2 years for the dots to get connected in Watergate. What we have here, all of the problems combined, is worse than that and involves more people so the drips will just keep on dripping.

There will be people going on trial to suffer actual jail sentences very soon and that will inspire wider dissemination of the bile that flows thought he whole administration.

The Butterfly Effect.
 
You are the one who posted the IG report.

You should have gleaned from that report that what the IG did was an audit, not an investigation. The investigation has only now just begun. It started at the point that the IG made his appearance before congress in May. Issa worked the IG over for not informing the Congress sooner of his findings and the IG said that a partial report would have been worse than waiting.

It took more than 2 years for the dots to get connected in Watergate. What we have here, all of the problems combined, is worse than that and involves more people so the drips will just keep on dripping.

There will be people going on trial to suffer actual jail sentences very soon and that will inspire wider dissemination of the bile that flows thought he whole administration.

The Butterfly Effect.


you are the one insisting illegality was present
yet you offer us not one whit of evidence of it
no doubt, you wish there was something illegal to point to
but you are being disingenuous in insisting illegality is present while also being unable to point to any illegality
quit making **** up and pretending it is fact

need more salt with that crow?
 
why i see this as a minor issue is a major fact:

NO illegal activity occurred
watch the congressional hearings. the question was put to the IG, 'where there any indications of illegal behavior'; 'was there any inkling that this was directed in a partisan way or influenced by the white house or treasury', and all answers to those questions by the IG were "NO"

but prove me wrong about this
show us anything which was done which was found by the IG to have been illegal. post your cite. make me eat crow. until then it is on your plate


You are the person who provided the link to the report that is damning to the notion that the IRS was operating impartially. For the purposes of understanding what is being said here, any time you see the word or form of the word "inappropriate", you can be sure that a crime has been committed against the American people by the Ruling Party.

The effect of this whole endeavor is to eliminate the idea that all people are equal before the law. This what the culture of corruption has brought us to.

From the IG report of the Audit which you posted:

<snip>
IMPACT ON TAXPAYERS
Early in Calendar Year 2010, the IRS began using inappropriate criteria to identify organizations applying for tax-exempt status to review for indications of significant political campaign intervention. Although the IRS has taken some action, it will need to do more so that the public has reasonable assurance that applications are processed without unreasonable delay in a fair and impartial manner in the future.
<snip>
Our objection was to the criteria used to identify these applications for review. We believe all applications should be reviewed prior to approval to determine whether tax-exempt status should be granted. The IRS’s response also states that issues discussed in the report have been resolved.

We disagree with this statement as well.
<snip>
The Determinations Unit Used Inappropriate Criteria to Identify Potential Political Cases
The Determinations Unit developed and used inappropriate criteria to identify applications from organizations with the words Tea Party in their names. These applications (hereafter referred to as potential political cases)13 were forwarded to a team of specialists14 for review.

Subsequently, the Determinations Unit expanded the criteria to inappropriately include organizations with other specific names (Patriots and 9/12) or policy positions. While the criteria used by the Determinations Unit specified particular organization names, the team of specialists was also processing applications from groups with names other than those identified in the criteria. The inappropriate and changing criteria may have led to inconsistent treatment of organizations applying for tax-exempt status.

For example, we identified some organizations’ applications with evidence of significant political campaign intervention that were not forwarded to the team of specialists for processing but should have been. We also identified applications that were forwarded to the team of specialists but did not have indications of significant political campaign intervention. All applications that were forwarded to the team of specialists experienced substantial delays in processing.

Although the IRS has taken some action, it will need to do more so that the public has reasonable assurance that applications are processed without unreasonable delay in a fair and impartial manner in the future.
<snip>
Potential Political Cases Experienced Significant Processing Delays
Organizations that applied for tax-exempt status and had their applications forwarded to the team of specialists experienced substantial delays. As of December 17, 2012, many organizations had not received an approval or denial letter for more than two years after they submitted their applications.

Some cases have been open during two election cycles (2010 and 2012). The
IRS Strategic Plan 2009–2013 has several goals and objectives that involve timely interacting with taxpayers, including enforcement of the tax law in a timely manner while minimizing taxpayer burden. The EO function does not have specific timeliness goals for processing applications, such as potential political cases, that require significant follow-up with the
Page 11
Inappropriate Criteria Were Used to Identify Tax-Exempt Applications for Review
organizations.30 The time it takes to process an application depends upon the facts and circumstances of the case.

Potential political cases took significantly longer than average to process due to ineffective management oversight.
<snip>
 
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you are the one insisting illegality was present
yet you offer us not one whit of evidence of it
no doubt, you wish there was something illegal to point to
but you are being disingenuous in insisting illegality is present while also being unable to point to any illegality
quit making **** up and pretending it is fact

need more salt with that crow?


Please see post 185. You posted the IG Report. Didn't you read it?
 
It's really too soon for any of these to have "panned out".

I find it interesting that while the most corrupt administration in the history of the republic continues to abuse power and undermine the Constitution, you and others are happy to see it happening.

What is your vision of the perfect method of government?

One not purchased outright with anonymous campaign investments.

(See why I'm not up in arms about this?)
 
You are the person who provided the link to the report that is damning to the notion that the IRS was operating impartially. For the purposes of understanding what is being said here, any time you see the word or form of the word "inappropriate", you can be sure that a crime has been committed against the American people by the Ruling Party.

The effect of this whole endeavor is to eliminate the idea that all people are equal before the law. This what the culture of corruption has brought us to.

From the IG report of the Audit which you posted:

<snip>
IMPACT ON TAXPAYERS
Early in Calendar Year 2010, the IRS began using inappropriate criteria to identify organizations applying for tax-exempt status to review for indications of significant political campaign intervention. Although the IRS has taken some action, it will need to do more so that the public has reasonable assurance that applications are processed without unreasonable delay in a fair and impartial manner in the future.
<snip>
Our objection was to the criteria used to identify these applications for review. We believe all applications should be reviewed prior to approval to determine whether tax-exempt status should be granted. The IRS’s response also states that issues discussed in the report have been resolved.

We disagree with this statement as well.
<snip>
The Determinations Unit Used Inappropriate Criteria to Identify Potential Political Cases
The Determinations Unit developed and used inappropriate criteria to identify applications from organizations with the words Tea Party in their names. These applications (hereafter referred to as potential political cases)13 were forwarded to a team of specialists14 for review.

Subsequently, the Determinations Unit expanded the criteria to inappropriately include organizations with other specific names (Patriots and 9/12) or policy positions. While the criteria used by the Determinations Unit specified particular organization names, the team of specialists was also processing applications from groups with names other than those identified in the criteria. The inappropriate and changing criteria may have led to inconsistent treatment of organizations applying for tax-exempt status.

For example, we identified some organizations’ applications with evidence of significant political campaign intervention that were not forwarded to the team of specialists for processing but should have been. We also identified applications that were forwarded to the team of specialists but did not have indications of significant political campaign intervention. All applications that were forwarded to the team of specialists experienced substantial delays in processing.

Although the IRS has taken some action, it will need to do more so that the public has reasonable assurance that applications are processed without unreasonable delay in a fair and impartial manner in the future.
<snip>
Potential Political Cases Experienced Significant Processing Delays
Organizations that applied for tax-exempt status and had their applications forwarded to the team of specialists experienced substantial delays. As of December 17, 2012, many organizations had not received an approval or denial letter for more than two years after they submitted their applications.

Some cases have been open during two election cycles (2010 and 2012). The
IRS Strategic Plan 2009–2013 has several goals and objectives that involve timely interacting with taxpayers, including enforcement of the tax law in a timely manner while minimizing taxpayer burden. The EO function does not have specific timeliness goals for processing applications, such as potential political cases, that require significant follow-up with the
Page 11
Inappropriate Criteria Were Used to Identify Tax-Exempt Applications for Review
organizations.30 The time it takes to process an application depends upon the facts and circumstances of the case.

Potential political cases took significantly longer than average to process due to ineffective management oversight.
<snip>

So ya got bureaucrats blowing it. At worst.
 
Please see post 185. You posted the IG Report. Didn't you read it?

hell yes i read it
i provided the link for you so that you could see the **** you were saying was wrong
but you continue to make **** up
such as pretending that anything illegal was found'
it is recognized you have been unable to cite ANY illegality, despite beeing challenged to do so
so, again i say to you, quit making **** up
read something and learn the truth before spouting a bunch of nonfactual crap
 
One not purchased outright with anonymous campaign investments.

(See why I'm not up in arms about this?)



You should be because that is exactly the system we are currently under.
 
So ya got bureaucrats blowing it. At worst.




Is Carter Hull a Bureaucrat?

You trust in this crowd is astonishing. Are you related to any of the Watergate folks?
 
hell yes i read it
i provided the link for you so that you could see the **** you were saying was wrong
but you continue to make **** up
such as pretending that anything illegal was found'
it is recognized you have been unable to cite ANY illegality, despite beeing challenged to do so
so, again i say to you, quit making **** up
read something and learn the truth before spouting a bunch of nonfactual crap




Do you yell Na-Na-Na-Na when you cover your ears and eyes or are you able to not see things just by being biased?

What do you think the Auditors are talking about when they cite Inappropriate Criteria?
 
You should be because that is exactly the system we are currently under.

And what do 501(c)(4)s facilitate again?

That's right, unlimited anonymous campaign money.
 
To what end and for what purpose?

About Us | Media Matters for America


About Us
Media Matters for America is a
Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation
in the U.S. media.

Launched in May 2004, Media Matters for America put in place, for the first time, the means to systematically monitor a cross section of print, broadcast, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for conservative misinformation - news or commentary that is not accurate, reliable, or credible and that forwards the conservative agenda - every day, in real time.

Using the website mediamatters.org as the principal vehicle for disseminating research and information, Media Matters posts rapid-response items as well as longer research and analytic reports documenting conservative misinformation throughout the media. Additionally, Media Matters works daily to notify activists, journalists, pundits, and the general public about instances of misinformation, providing them with the resources to rebut false claims and to take direct action against offending media institutions.

 
Media Matters is a progressive organization, however they neither campaign for or against candidates. And despite what many think they monitor all media not just Fox.

Really? The boss of Media Matters didn't get the memo.

The liberal group Media Matters has quietly transformed itself in preparation for what its founder, David Brock, described in an interview as an all-out campaign of “guerrilla warfare and sabotage” aimed at the Fox News Channel.

The group, launched as a more traditional media critic, has all but abandoned its monitoring of newspapers and other television networks and is narrowing its focus to Fox and a handful of conservative websites, which its leaders view as political organizations and the “nerve center” of the conservative movement. The shift reflects the centrality of the cable channel to the contemporary conservative movement, as well as the loathing it inspires among liberals — not least among the donors who fund Media Matters’ staff of about 90, who are arrayed in neat rows in a giant war room above Massachusetts Avenue.

“The strategy that we had had toward Fox was basically a strategy of containment,” said Brock, Media Matters’ chairman and founder and a former conservative journalist, adding that the group’s main aim had been to challenge the factual claims of the channel and to attempt to prevent them from reaching the mainstream media.

The new strategy, he said, is a “war on Fox.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51949.html#ixzz2VkNaex59
 
And what do 501(c)(4)s facilitate again?

That's right, unlimited anonymous campaign money.



The approval process was rigged to be political in nature. That is the issue here.
 
Really? The boss of Media Matters didn't get the memo.

The liberal group Media Matters has quietly transformed itself in preparation for what its founder, David Brock, described in an interview as an all-out campaign of “guerrilla warfare and sabotage” aimed at the Fox News Channel.

The group, launched as a more traditional media critic, has all but abandoned its monitoring of newspapers and other television networks and is narrowing its focus to Fox and a handful of conservative websites, which its leaders view as political organizations and the “nerve center” of the conservative movement. The shift reflects the centrality of the cable channel to the contemporary conservative movement, as well as the loathing it inspires among liberals — not least among the donors who fund Media Matters’ staff of about 90, who are arrayed in neat rows in a giant war room above Massachusetts Avenue.

“The strategy that we had had toward Fox was basically a strategy of containment,” said Brock, Media Matters’ chairman and founder and a former conservative journalist, adding that the group’s main aim had been to challenge the factual claims of the channel and to attempt to prevent them from reaching the mainstream media.

The new strategy, he said, is a “war on Fox.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51949.html#ixzz2VkNaex59
That began back when George Soros gave Media Matters $1 Million to fight against Glenn Beck's smears against him which they believe cause violence against Soros' Tides Foundation. Since Beck left the station, that focus no longer appears to be there.

Soros gives $1 million to Media Matters - On Media - POLITICO.com

George Soros announced that he has given $1 million to Media Matters “to hold Fox News accountable for the false and misleading information they so often broadcast.” Fox commentators frequently describe Media Matters, a frequent Fox critic, of being funded by Soros, but Media Matters has long denied that connection.

In today’s joint announcement, Soros denied it too – at least until today.

“Despite repeated assertions to the contrary by various Fox News commentators, I have not to date been a funder of Media Matters,” Soros said. “However, in view of recent evidence suggesting that the incendiary rhetoric of Fox News hosts may incite violence, I have now decided to support the organization. Media Matters is one of the few groups that attempts to hold Fox News accountable for the false and misleading information they so often broadcast. I am supporting Media Matters in an effort to more widely publicize the challenge Fox News poses to civil and informed discourse in our democracy.”

Soros figured prominently in the conspiracy theory that allegedly drove convicted felon Byron Williams to arm himself and set out to kill staffers at the Soros-funded Tides Foundation the ACLU this summer.
Although Williams said he had first heard of the theory from other sources, he told Media Matters in a jailhouse interview that Glenn Beck was a “schoolteacher” who “blew my mind” on such topics. He told the interviewer to watch Beck’s June shows to get more information about Tides.

On Friday, Drummond Pike, the founder and CEO of the Tides Foundation, said “there will be blood on many hands” if the next assassin succeed, and called for a network-wide advertiser boycott of Fox News in response to Beck’s rhetoric. This morning Media Matters launched a website to join the effort.

snip

 
That began back when George Soros gave Media Matters $1 Million to fight against Glenn Beck's smears against him which they believe cause violence against Soros' Tides Foundation. Since Beck left the station, that focus no longer appears to be there.

Soros gives $1 million to Media Matters - On Media - POLITICO.com

George Soros announced that he has given $1 million to Media Matters “to hold Fox News accountable for the false and misleading information they so often broadcast.” Fox commentators frequently describe Media Matters, a frequent Fox critic, of being funded by Soros, but Media Matters has long denied that connection.

In today’s joint announcement, Soros denied it too – at least until today.

“Despite repeated assertions to the contrary by various Fox News commentators, I have not to date been a funder of Media Matters,” Soros said. “However, in view of recent evidence suggesting that the incendiary rhetoric of Fox News hosts may incite violence, I have now decided to support the organization. Media Matters is one of the few groups that attempts to hold Fox News accountable for the false and misleading information they so often broadcast. I am supporting Media Matters in an effort to more widely publicize the challenge Fox News poses to civil and informed discourse in our democracy.”

Soros figured prominently in the conspiracy theory that allegedly drove convicted felon Byron Williams to arm himself and set out to kill staffers at the Soros-funded Tides Foundation the ACLU this summer.
Although Williams said he had first heard of the theory from other sources, he told Media Matters in a jailhouse interview that Glenn Beck was a “schoolteacher” who “blew my mind” on such topics. He told the interviewer to watch Beck’s June shows to get more information about Tides.

On Friday, Drummond Pike, the founder and CEO of the Tides Foundation, said “there will be blood on many hands” if the next assassin succeed, and called for a network-wide advertiser boycott of Fox News in response to Beck’s rhetoric. This morning Media Matters launched a website to join the effort.

snip


No sale. There has been no public stand down announcement from MM. Their struggle continues; they are just an agit-prop outfit now.:cool:
 
No sale. There has been no public stand down announcement from MM. Their struggle continues; they are just an agit-prop outfit now.:cool:

I guess you've finally "made it"-------------You're the subject of a thread.....................Oh, the humanity..................
 
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