IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups[W:484,732]

trfjr · May 10, 2013

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Lord of Planar said:
I'm not assuming any particular thing as certain. I just believe it all stems from human behavior at the individual level, and I don't think any wrongdoing was ordered. It is possible, but I find it less likely since any supervisor would know they could be fired for such actions.

It is much more believable that orders was given from higher ups to target those groups for political gains then some rogue local workers for ideological reasons

Lord of Planar · May 10, 2013

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trfjr said:
It is much more believable that orders was given to target those groups for political gains then some rogue local workers for ideological reasons

Looks like we disagree. I think there would be whistle blowers if such orders were given. Have you read of any?

Regardless, any of the people who abuse such positions need to be fired.

Do you agree with that?

trfjr · May 10, 2013

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Lord of Planar said:
Looks like we disagree. I think there would be whistle blowers if such orders were given. Have you read of any?

Regardless, any of the people who abuse such positions need to be fired.

Do you agree with that?

people don't blow the whistle unless they have something to gain or to protect or they have an ax to grind very few do it out of conscience remember we are talking about the IRS they don't have a conscience

Lord of Planar · May 10, 2013

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trfjr said:
people don't blow the whistle unless they have something to gain or to protect or they have an ax to grind very few do it out of conscience remember we are talking about the IRS they don't have a conscience

LOL...

OK, you win...

You got me there...

LOL...

Republic Now! · May 10, 2013

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Regardless of who is responsible/ how high this goes, an investigation needs to occur, and a lawsuit by the parties involved would not be unwarranted. This kind of behavior by a government agency is completely unacceptable.

Oftencold · May 11, 2013

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rocket88 said:
IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups in 2012 election - The Washington Post

This actually bothers me more than Benghazi...

I consider it all of a piece. An incompetent, corrupt Administration, elected by people thinking like spoiled and illiterate children but who had the temerity to vote.

apdst · May 11, 2013

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Lord of Planar said:
Looks like we disagree. I think there would be whistle blowers if such orders were given. Have you read of any?

Regardless, any of the people who abuse such positions need to be fired.

Do you agree with that?

IRS agents posess a fanatical loyalty to the IRS.

rocket88 · May 11, 2013

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Oftencold said:
I consider it all of a piece. An incompetent, corrupt Administration, elected by people thinking like spoiled and illiterate children but who had the temerity to vote.

How dare they exercise a right! That would be like if there was some internet forum where people could speak their minds and they actually did.

Next thing you know, they'll all decide what religion the believe in, and the government won't be able to do anything about it.

Erod · May 11, 2013

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Sounds eerily like a Chicago-style political tactic.

Grant · May 11, 2013

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Apologies if this has been submitted earlier but here are some some of the questions the IRS asked. 10 crazy things the IRS asked Tea Party groups « Hot Air

Mason66 · May 11, 2013

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digsbe said:
In a nation where we have free speech this should never happen. One of the biggest fears with bloated bureaucracy is that they will use their position to squash or hinder political groups or people they don't like.

My concern is I wonder how high up this goes. The person in charge of trying to disadvantage conservative groups does not need to have his/her position and abuse his/her authority to try and squash groups they don't like. Charges should be made if applicable, trying to disadvantage a group based on their beliefs is a very severe form government oppression in my opinion and should not be tolerated at all. This is what I would expect from more totalitarian nations with less freedom like China, Iran, or Russia. This should absolutely not be happening in the United States where one of our chief principals is freedom of speech and the right to believe what you want without the government impeding upon that.

If this did not happen during the Bush administration and the people at the IRS have not changed, then the order had to come from somebody within the Obama administration.

Does that not make sense?

Mason66 · May 11, 2013

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ocean515 said:
The IRS apologizes? That's it?

The IRS has the power to destroy a business, or an individual, even if the business or individual is innocent of any wrongdoing.

It's not surprising, but should be inconceivable, that a low-level IRS hack could be in a position to stalk groups at their own whim.

Heads should roll.

That an apology was deemed sufficient speaks volumes of the arrogance of the above the law forces that make up the Internal Revenue Service.

Why would you beleive the story that it was a low level hack?

Mason66 · May 11, 2013

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rocket88 said:
This bothers me more than Benghazi because this points to abuse of power and using the power of the government to fill personal ends. That was the sort of thing that got Nixon in trouble and should be the sort of thing that we don't tolerate.

Benghazi's a question of troop levels and deployments. It's a question of inadequate security. It's unfortunate that some bad decisions were made, but everything's easy in retrospect.

As far as the media goes, this is being reported by WaPo. They're as mainstream and as liberal as it gets.

This boils down to the fact that the IRS thing can happen to us but the Benghazi thing most likely will not.

Mason66 · May 11, 2013

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calamity said:
You don't know that. You're reaching.

Knowing the Tea Party activists and who funds them, I suspect that they probably were pretty near the edge of that fine line. That the "special scrutiny" singled them out is improper, but it's not exactly malicious. It's just looking a little closer at the house across the street with smoke pouring out its windows.

If the groups were near the edge of that fine line, wouldn't you think it would be OK to give them more scrutiny? If it is OK why did they apologize?

They must have thought they did something wrong.

Mason66 · May 11, 2013

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trfjr said:
IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups

[Lois Lerner, head of the division that oversees tax-exempt groups] said the "practice was initiated by low-level workers in Cincinnati and was not motivated by political bias". After her talk, she told The AP that no high level IRS officials knew about the practice. She did not say when they found out.

Are they for real? do they think we are that stupid to believe that BS?

The question would be then when did this low level person make the decision to do this and when did they start working for the IRS.

I would also like an explanation as to what they got out of this themselves.

calamity · May 11, 2013

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Mason66 said:
If the groups were near the edge of that fine line, wouldn't you think it would be OK to give them more scrutiny? If it is OK why did they apologize?

They must have thought they did something wrong.

That's why I'm more concerned about this than the bs called "Benghazi".

Mason66 · May 11, 2013

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sawyerloggingon said:
No claim that I know of, I'm just going by who obama is and his association with radical leftist.

And his obvious attempt in destroying the Republican party.

Mason66 · May 11, 2013

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Lord of Planar said:
Looks like we disagree. I think there would be whistle blowers if such orders were given. Have you read of any?

Regardless, any of the people who abuse such positions need to be fired.

Do you agree with that?

Jobs are very hard to find these days.

Mason66 · May 11, 2013

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If you look at some of the information they requested from the link above, it seems they went much farther with the request tan they needed to in order to approve or deny the application.

A lot of that information does not seem relevant to the application.

Why do they need to know so much about every employee or if the organization has had any contact with the news media?

jonny5 · May 11, 2013

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I think we should remove tax exempt status for everything, and then remove corporate taxes altogether. This eliminates peoples problems with tax exempt status and simplifies the tax code so that only individuals incomes are taxed (no matter how they earn it).

jonny5 · May 11, 2013

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AP Exclusive: Watchdog report says senior IRS officials knew tea party groups targeted in 2011 - The Washington Post

WASHINGTON — A federal watchdog’s upcoming report says senior Internal Revenue Service officials knew agents were targeting tea party groups in 2011.

The disclosure contradicts public statements by former IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman, who repeatedly assured Congress that conservative groups were not targeted.

The plot thickens

ksu_aviator · May 11, 2013

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It doesn't matter if the act was perpetrated by low level employees or higher up. There needs to be an investigation. E-mails, phone records, memos, and the works need to be combed through and reviewed to find the person(s) responsible.

trfjr · May 11, 2013

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jonny5 said:
The plot thickens

And it gets even thicker. come to find out it wasn't only conservative groups that were unjustly profiled. Jewish organizations were also singled out for extra scrutiny

IRS Inquisition Update | National Review Online

who is left on Obamas enemy list?

Deuce · May 11, 2013

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Bronson said:
Don't need to start a new thread. This one will do just fine.

Using Government agencies/institutions to target political opposition = Fascism

Have a nice day :2wave:

Fascism is actually a fairly specific ideology. It's not just a synonym for "big overbearing government."

http://rense.com/general37/char.htm

Sounds like liberals huh? :lamo

Bronson · May 11, 2013

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Deuce said:
Fascism is actually a fairly specific ideology. It's not just a synonym for "big overbearing government."

*Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism

Sounds like liberals huh? :lamo

Fascism is Big Government Left Wing Collectivist ideology

It's just a brand of Socialism like Coke and Pepsi and brands of soda. Just another branch on the Collectivist tree. Very telling that you're so eagerly defending the IRS acting like the Gestapo and being used as a political tool to harass and intimidate people politically

You're just googling things and linking the first random source you find. Comical and embarrassing. Like I said, you were going to lose this debate badly and you are.

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