Iraq Oil-for-Food Program Funded al Qaeda

[AJiveMan]

Tons of proof. :roll:

 

[soot]

Your posts are delusional garbage..

its all very well known..

What's delusional about me saying that your posts are not backing up the claims you're making?

The simple fact is that your posts are not backing up the claims you're making.

I'm inviting you to post actual evidence that substantiates your claims and I'm perfectly willing to keep an open mind and read anything you provide.

If you actually do provide some evidence that Saddam Hussein was using oil-for-food money to support al Qaeda I'll say, "Well there is is!!!".

So far, no joy.

 

[Travis007]

What's delusional about me saying that your posts are not backing up the claims you're making?

The simple fact is that your posts are not backing up the claims you're making.

I'm inviting you to post actual evidence that substantiates your claims and I'm perfectly willing to keep an open mind and read anything you provide.

If you actually do provide some evidence that Saddam Hussein was using oil-for-food money to support al Qaeda I'll say, "Well there is is!!!".

So far, no joy.

youre already destroyed.. what part is confusing?

 

[Travis007]

I'm sure you are sincere in believing that. I just don't think you'll find a lot of evidence through any reputable or non-self serving sources to back it up though.

read the links.. all very objective..

Im not going to repeat myself over and over

 

[Travis007]

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, formerly the director of an al Qaeda training base in Afghanistan, fled to Iraq after being injured as the Taliban fell. He received medical care and convalesced for two months in Baghdad. He then opened a terrorist training camp in northern Iraq and arranged the October 2002 assassination of U.S. diplomat Lawrence Foley in Amman, Jordan.

Ramzi Yousef, the Kuwaiti-born ringleader of the February 26, 1993 World Trade Center bombing plot, first arrived in the United States (on September 1, 1992) on an Iraqi passport.

Author Richard Miniter reported on September 25, 2003, that U.S. forces had discovered a cache of documents in Tikrit, Saddam's hometown, showing that Iraq had given both a house and a monthly salary to al Qaeda member Abdul Rahman Yasin, who was indicted for mixing the chemicals in the bomb that exploded beneath the World Trade Center in 1993.

Along Iraq's border with Syria, U.S. troops captured Farouk Hijazi, Saddam's former ambassador to Turkey and suspected liaison to al Qaeda. Under interrogation, Hijazi admitted meeting with senior al Qaeda leaders at Saddam's behest in 1994.

While sifting through the bombed ruins of the Iraqi intelligence agency in April 2003, three investigators – the Toronto Star's Mitch Potter, the London Daily Telegraph's Inigo Gilmore, and their translator -- discovered a memo dated "February 19, 1998" and marked "Top Secret and Urgent." It said the agency would pay "all the travel and hotel expenses inside Iraq to gain the knowledge of the message from bin Laden and to convey to his envoy an oral message from us to bin Laden, the Saudi opposition leader, about the future of our relationship with him, and to achieve a direct meeting with him."

On January 5, 2000, Ahmad Hikmat Shakir — an Iraqi airport greeter reportedly dispatched from Baghdad's embassy in Malaysia — welcomed Khalid al Midhar and Nawaz al Hamzi to Kuala Lampur and escorted them to a local hotel where these September 11 hijackers met with 9/11 conspirators Ramzi bin al Shibh and Tawfiz al Atash. Five days later, according to Stephen Hayes, Shakir disappeared. He was arrested in Qatar on September 17, 2001, six days after al Midhar and al Hamzi had slammed American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon, killing 216 people. On his person and in his apartment, authorities discovered papers tying him to the 1993 World Trade Center plot and to "Operation Bojinka," al Qaeda's 1995 plan to simultaneously blow up 12 jets over the Pacific Ocean.

 

[Travis007]

unreal...........

 

[Travis007]

Al-Qaeda 'fighting for Saddam'Captured Iraqi soldiers have told British interrogators that al-Qaeda terrorists are fighting on the side of Saddam Hussein's forces against allied troops near Basra.
At least a dozen members of Osama bin Laden's network are in the town of Az Zubayr where they are co-ordinating grenade and gun attacks on coalition positions, according to the Iraqi prisoners of war.


Read more: Al-Qaeda 'fighting for Saddam' | Mail Online
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[TheDemSocialist]

Sorry Travis the overwhelming majority of evidence proves that there was no connection between Saddam and Al-Qaeda.

Exhaustive review finds no link between Saddam and al Qaida | Washington | McClatchy DC
"WASHINGTON — An exhaustive review of more than 600,000 Iraqi documents that were captured after the 2003 U.S. invasion has found no evidence that Saddam Hussein's regime had any operational links with Osama bin Laden's al Qaida terrorist network."

Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed (washingtonpost.com)
"The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq."

"WASHINGTON — The commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks reported Wednesday that Osama bin Laden met with a top Iraqi official in 1994 but found “no credible evidence” of a link between Iraq and al-Qaida in attacks against the United States."
9/11 panel sees no Iraq-al-Qaida link - US news - Security | NBC News

Powell Admits No Hard Proof in Linking Iraq to Al Qaeda - NYTimes.com
"Secretary of State Colin L. Powell conceded Thursday that despite his assertions to the United Nations last year, he had no "smoking gun" proof of a link between the government of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and terrorists of Al Qaeda."


BBC NEWS | UK | Leaked report rejects Iraqi al-Qaeda link
"There are no current links between the Iraqi regime and the al-Qaeda network, according to an official British intelligence report seen by BBC News."

Hussein's Iraq and al Qaeda not linked, Pentagon says - CNN.com
"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. military's first and only study looking into ties between Saddam Hussein's Iraq and al Qaeda showed no connection between the two, according to a military report released by the Pentagon."

BBC NEWS | Americas | Saddam 'had no link to al-Qaeda'
"There is no evidence of formal links between Iraqi ex-leader Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda leaders prior to the 2003 war, a US Senate report says.
The finding is contained in a 2005 CIA report released by the Senate's Intelligence Committee on Friday."






Hell Saddam fought against Al-Qaeda and Al-Qaeda offered to help the Sauds when fighting against Saddam the first gulf war
OSAMA BIN LADEN AFTER THE SOVIET-AFGHANISTAN WAR: KICKED OUT OF SAUDI ARABIA, SUDAN YEARS AND RETURN TO AFGHANISTAN | Facts and Details
A NATION CHALLENGED - SAUDI ARABIA - Holy War Lured Saudis As Rulers Looked Away - NYTimes.com





Its simple. There was no connection.

 

[AlbqOwl]

read the links.. all very objective..

Im not going to repeat myself over and over

I am not asking you to. Nobody with any research ability believes Saddam didn't do a lot of illegal business with terrorist nations during the sanctions. I just don't think your links are sufficiently credible to show that he intentionally and with purpose cooperated with or substantially funded al Qaeda.

 

[Travis007]

THE FORMER IRAQI REGIME OF Saddam Hussein trained thousands of radical Islamic terrorists from the region at camps in Iraq over the four years immediately preceding the U.S. invasion, according to documents and photographs recovered by the U.S. military in postwar Iraq. The existence and character of these documents has been confirmed to THE WEEKLY STANDARD by eleven U.S. government officials.

The secret training took place primarily at three camps--in Samarra, Ramadi, and Salman Pak--and was directed by elite Iraqi military units. Interviews by U.S. government interrogators with Iraqi regime officials and military leaders corroborate the documentary evidence. Many of the fighters were drawn from terrorist groups in northern Africa with close ties to al Qaeda, chief among them Algeria's GSPC and the Sudanese Islamic Army. Some 2,000 terrorists were trained at these Iraqi camps each year from 1999 to 2002, putting the total number at or above 8,000. Intelligence officials believe that some of these terrorists returned to Iraq and are responsible for attacks against Americans and Iraqis. According to three officials with knowledge of the intelligence on Iraqi training camps, White House and National Security Council officials were briefed on these findings in May 2005; senior Defense Department officials subsequently received the same briefing.

The photographs and documents on Iraqi training camps come from a collection of some 2 million "exploitable items" captured in postwar Iraq and Afghanistan. They include handwritten notes, typed documents, audiotapes, videotapes, compact discs, floppy discs, and computer hard drives. Taken together, this collection could give U.S. intelligence officials and policymakers an inside look at the activities of the former Iraqi regime in the months and years before the Iraq war.

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Saddam's Terror Training Camps | The Weekly Standard

 

[Travis007]

I am not asking you to. Nobody with any research ability believes Saddam didn't do a lot of illegal business with terrorist nations during the sanctions. I just don't think your links are sufficiently credible to show that he intentionally and with purpose cooperated with or substantially funded al Qaeda.

how do pople not know all this?

Saddam's Terror Training Camps | The Weekly Standard

THE FORMER IRAQI REGIME OF Saddam Hussein trained thousands of radical Islamic terrorists from the region at camps in Iraq over the four years immediately preceding the U.S. invasion, according to documents and photographs recovered by the U.S. military in postwar Iraq. The existence and character of these documents has been confirmed to THE WEEKLY STANDARD by eleven U.S. government officials.

The secret training took place primarily at three camps--in Samarra, Ramadi, and Salman Pak--and was directed by elite Iraqi military units. Interviews by U.S. government interrogators with Iraqi regime officials and military leaders corroborate the documentary evidence. Many of the fighters were drawn from terrorist groups in northern Africa with close ties to al Qaeda, chief among them Algeria's GSPC and the Sudanese Islamic Army. Some 2,000 terrorists were trained at these Iraqi camps each year from 1999 to 2002, putting the total number at or above 8,000. Intelligence officials believe that some of these terrorists returned to Iraq and are responsible for attacks against Americans and Iraqis. According to three officials with knowledge of the intelligence on Iraqi training camps, White House and National Security Council officials were briefed on these findings in May 2005; senior Defense Department officials subsequently received the same briefing.

The photographs and documents on Iraqi training camps come from a collection of some 2 million "exploitable items" captured in postwar Iraq and Afghanistan. They include handwritten notes, typed documents, audiotapes, videotapes, compact discs, floppy discs, and computer hard drives. Taken together, this collection could give U.S. intelligence officials and policymakers an inside look at the activities of the former Iraqi regime in the months and years before the Iraq war.

 

[Travis007]

Sorry Travis the overwhelming majority of evidence proves that there was no connection between Saddam and Al-Qaeda.

Exhaustive review finds no link between Saddam and al Qaida | Washington | McClatchy DC
"WASHINGTON — An exhaustive review of more than 600,000 Iraqi documents that were captured after the 2003 U.S. invasion has found no evidence that Saddam Hussein's regime had any operational links with Osama bin Laden's al Qaida terrorist network."

Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed (washingtonpost.com)
"The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq."

"WASHINGTON — The commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks reported Wednesday that Osama bin Laden met with a top Iraqi official in 1994 but found “no credible evidence” of a link between Iraq and al-Qaida in attacks against the United States."
9/11 panel sees no Iraq-al-Qaida link - US news - Security | NBC News

Powell Admits No Hard Proof in Linking Iraq to Al Qaeda - NYTimes.com
"Secretary of State Colin L. Powell conceded Thursday that despite his assertions to the United Nations last year, he had no "smoking gun" proof of a link between the government of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and terrorists of Al Qaeda."


BBC NEWS | UK | Leaked report rejects Iraqi al-Qaeda link
"There are no current links between the Iraqi regime and the al-Qaeda network, according to an official British intelligence report seen by BBC News."

Hussein's Iraq and al Qaeda not linked, Pentagon says - CNN.com
"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. military's first and only study looking into ties between Saddam Hussein's Iraq and al Qaeda showed no connection between the two, according to a military report released by the Pentagon."

BBC NEWS | Americas | Saddam 'had no link to al-Qaeda'
"There is no evidence of formal links between Iraqi ex-leader Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda leaders prior to the 2003 war, a US Senate report says.
The finding is contained in a 2005 CIA report released by the Senate's Intelligence Committee on Friday."






Hell Saddam fought against Al-Qaeda and Al-Qaeda offered to help the Sauds when fighting against Saddam the first gulf war
OSAMA BIN LADEN AFTER THE SOVIET-AFGHANISTAN WAR: KICKED OUT OF SAUDI ARABIA, SUDAN YEARS AND RETURN TO AFGHANISTAN | Facts and Details
A NATION CHALLENGED - SAUDI ARABIA - Holy War Lured Saudis As Rulers Looked Away - NYTimes.com





Its simple. There was no connection.

Youve never met a a terrorist that you dont shill for..

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Youve never met a a terrorist that you dont shill for..

Thats the best you got? No evidence?

 

[Travis007]

WASHINGTON — A Pentagon review of about 600,000 documents captured in the Iraq war attests to Saddam Hussein's willingness to use terrorism to target Americans and work closely with jihadist organizations throughout the Middle East.

The report, released this week by the Institute for Defense Analyses, says it found no "smoking gun" linking Iraq operationally to Al Qaeda. But it does say Saddam collaborated with known Al Qaeda affiliates and a wider constellation of Islamist terror groups.

The report, titled "Saddam and Terrorism: Emerging Insights from Captured Iraqi Documents," finds that:

• The Iraqi Intelligence Service in a 1993 memo to Saddam agreed on a plan to train commandos from Egyptian Islamic Jihad, the group that assassinated Anwar Sadat and was founded by Al Qaeda's second-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahiri.

• In the same year, Saddam ordered his intelligence service to "form a group to start hunting Americans present on Arab soil; especially Somalia." At the time, Al Qaeda was working with warlords against American forces there.

• Saddam's intelligence services maintained extensive support networks for a wide range of Palestinian Arab terrorist organizations, including but not limited to Hamas. Among the other Palestinian groups Saddam supported at the time was Force 17, the private army loyal to Yasser Arafat.

• Beginning in 1999, Iraq's intelligence service began providing "financial and moral support" for a small radical Islamist Kurdish sect the report does not name. A Kurdish Islamist group called Ansar al Islam in 2002 would try to assassinate the regional prime minister in the eastern Kurdish region, Barham Salih.

• In 2001, Saddam's intelligence service drafted a manual titled "Lessons in Secret Organization and Jihad Work—How to Organize and Overthrow the Saudi Royal Family." In the same year, his intelligence service submitted names of 10 volunteer "martyrs" for operations inside the Kingdom.

• In 2000, Iraq sent a suicide bomber through Northern Iraq who intended to travel to London to assassinate Ahmad Chalabi, at the time an Iraqi opposition leader who would later go on to be an Iraqi deputy prime minister. The mission was aborted after the bomber could not obtain a visa to enter the United Kingdom.


The report also undercuts the claim made by many on the left and many at the CIA that Saddam, as a national socialist, was incapable of supporting or collaborating with the Islamist al Qaeda. The report concludes that instead Iraq's relationship with Osama bin Laden's organization was similar to the relationship between the rival Colombian cocaine cartels in the 1990s. Both were rivals in some sense for market share, but also allies when it came to expanding the size of the overall market.

The Pentagon study finds, "Recognizing Iraq as a second, or parallel, 'terror cartel' that was simultaneously threatened by and somewhat aligned with its rival helps to explain the evidence emerging from the detritus of Saddam's regime."

Report Details Saddam's Terrorist Ties - The New York Sun

 

[Travis007]

Thats the best you got? No evidence?

then you cant read..

 

[AlbqOwl]

how do pople not know all this?

Saddam's Terror Training Camps | The Weekly Standard

THE FORMER IRAQI REGIME OF Saddam Hussein trained thousands of radical Islamic terrorists from the region at camps in Iraq over the four years immediately preceding the U.S. invasion, according to documents and photographs recovered by the U.S. military in postwar Iraq. The existence and character of these documents has been confirmed to THE WEEKLY STANDARD by eleven U.S. government officials.

The secret training took place primarily at three camps--in Samarra, Ramadi, and Salman Pak--and was directed by elite Iraqi military units. Interviews by U.S. government interrogators with Iraqi regime officials and military leaders corroborate the documentary evidence. Many of the fighters were drawn from terrorist groups in northern Africa with close ties to al Qaeda, chief among them Algeria's GSPC and the Sudanese Islamic Army. Some 2,000 terrorists were trained at these Iraqi camps each year from 1999 to 2002, putting the total number at or above 8,000. Intelligence officials believe that some of these terrorists returned to Iraq and are responsible for attacks against Americans and Iraqis. According to three officials with knowledge of the intelligence on Iraqi training camps, White House and National Security Council officials were briefed on these findings in May 2005; senior Defense Department officials subsequently received the same briefing.

The photographs and documents on Iraqi training camps come from a collection of some 2 million "exploitable items" captured in postwar Iraq and Afghanistan. They include handwritten notes, typed documents, audiotapes, videotapes, compact discs, floppy discs, and computer hard drives. Taken together, this collection could give U.S. intelligence officials and policymakers an inside look at the activities of the former Iraqi regime in the months and years before the Iraq war.

The thing you're not getting though is that terrorist training camps and al Qaeda are not necessarily the same thing. Al Qaeda is one of many terrorist organizations, not the only one.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

then you cant read..

Apparently you cant. Because even our own gov and the Bush admin admitted there was no connection. But i understand no matter how much evidence that is presented to you that counteracts your facts you will still scream "Im right!"

 

[soot]

then you cant read..

I've read every word of everything you've posted and still haven't seen any real evidence.

 

[Travis007]

A much-publicized report released by the Pentagon last week details the extensive ties between the regime of Saddam Hussein and a wide variety of international terrorist organizations, including Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida.

“Despite their incompatible long-term goals, many terrorist movements and Saddam found a common enemy in the United States,” the report’s authors at the Institute for Defense Analysis (IDA) state.

But instead of reporting on this conclusion, most of the media accounts have focused on a single sentence that appears in the executive summary, stating that the report’s authors found “no smoking gun” or “direct connection” between Saddam’s Iraq and al-Qaida.

The United States Joint Forces Command, which commissioned the report from IDA, provided reporters late last week with a CD containing nearly 2,000 pages of supporting documents that purportedly formed the basis of the conclusions authored by Lt. Col. Kevin Woods and James Lacey in the 94-page redacted summary that initially was leaked to the press.

Intriguing Analysis

An analysis by Newsmax identified several documents with critical evidence of Saddam’s close ties to al-Qaida that were overlooked or ignored by the report’s authors, however.

These documents, published previously by the Foreign Military Studies Office of the Joint Reserve Intelligence Center, Fort Leavenworth, have since been taken down from U.S. government Web sites. Newsmax downloaded copies when they were still available.

“This is not a comprehensive, end-all, all-in-one study,” a source familiar with the drafting of the report told Newsmax. He spoke on background because his comments had not been cleared in advance by the U.S. military.

“This was a study very specifically for military lessons learned, to explain an environment. People shouldn’t make this report into something it’s not,” he added.

Another source involved in the report told Newsmax that one reason some documents were not included in the analysis was because of the sheer mass of material available — more than 600,000 documents, in all.

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[Travis007]

I've read every word of everything you've posted and still haven't seen any real evidence.

sure...

 

[Travis007]

I've read every word of everything you've posted and still haven't seen any real evidence.

Youve proven that you cant prove that Saddam DID NOT have ties to AQ.. I showed he did

I showed OIL FOR FOOD was the conduit that would be used to move the WMDSinto Syria.. Syria was vested in the Oil revenue on the black market and took the WMDS, we see the WMDS being used in Syria..... You have proved nothing


may I ask how old you are? did you survive 9/11 ...I did.. and the first WTC attack..

you sound like a petulant child with this mantra

 

[Travis007]

Apparently you cant. Because even our own gov and the Bush admin admitted there was no connection. But i understand no matter how much evidence that is presented to you that counteracts your facts you will still scream "Im right!"

thats not true.. thats what the media said that GWB said..

quite a difference..

 

[Travis007]

Apparently you cant. Because even our own gov and the Bush admin admitted there was no connection. But i understand no matter how much evidence that is presented to you that counteracts your facts you will still scream "Im right!"

The report also undercuts the claim made by many on the left and many at the CIA that Saddam, as a national socialist, was incapable of supporting or collaborating with the Islamist al Qaeda. The report concludes that instead Iraq's relationship with Osama bin Laden's organization was similar to the relationship between the rival Colombian cocaine cartels in the 1990s. Both were rivals in some sense for market share, but also allies when it came to expanding the size of the overall market.


A long time skeptic of the connection between al Qaeda and Iraq and a former CIA senior Iraq analyst, Judith Yaphe yesterday said, "I think the report indicates that Saddam was willing to work with almost any group be it nationalist or Islamic, that was willing to work for his objectives. But in the long term he did not trust many of the Islamist groups, especially those linked to Saudi Arabia or Iran." She added, "He really did want to get anti-American operations going. The fact that they had little success shows in part their incompetence and unwilling surrogates."

A former Bush administration official who was a member of the counter-terrorism evaluation group that analyzed terror networks and links between terrorists and states, David Wurmser, said he felt the report began to vindicate his point of view.

"This is the beginning of the process of exposing Saddam's involvement in Islamic terror. But it is only the beginning. Time and declassification I'm sure will reveal yet more," he said. "Even so, this report is damning to those who doubted Saddam Hussein's involvement with Jihadist terrorist groups.
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Report Details Saddam's Terrorist Ties - The New York Sun

 

[soot]

A much-publicized report released by the Pentagon last week details the extensive ties between the regime of Saddam Hussein and a wide variety of international terrorist organizations, including Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida.

LOL

An analysis by Newsmax identified several documents with critical evidence of Saddam’s close ties to al-Qaida that were overlooked or ignored by the report’s authors, however.

These documents, published previously by the Foreign Military Studies Office of the Joint Reserve Intelligence Center, Fort Leavenworth, have since been taken down from U.S. government Web sites. Newsmax downloaded copies when they were still available.

A conservative propaganda mouthpiece bases it's slanted analysis on some mystery documents that the government posted to a website but then took down.

But Newsmax doesn't actually provide the documents, just their slanted analysis, even though there were only "several" documents which actually contained "critical evidence".

You know what the problem is?

You actually believe this bull****.

If you demanded evidence like any thinking person in this thread is demanding evidence you wouldn't be in here arguing that simple claims of wrongdoing are self-evident proof that the wrongdoing themselves are true.

 

[Travis007]

LOL



A conservative propaganda mouthpiece bases it's slanted analysis on some mystery documents that the government posted to a website but then took down.

But Newsmax doesn't actually provide the documents, just their slanted analysis, even though there were only "several" documents which actually contained "critical evidence".

You know what the problem is?

You actually believe this bull****.

If you demanded evidence like any thinking person in this thread is demanding evidence you wouldn't be in here arguing that simple claims of wrongdoing are self-evident proof that the wrongdoing themselves are true.

YOU GOT DESTROYED...

cry all you want.. You simply have not a clue what you are blabbering about as always..

The docs point to the connection and even motive..

that youre so off the deep end is moot..youre just some lefty bomb thrower...

you got DESTROYED..YOU PROVED NOTHING.. THE CONNECTION WAS MADE.. no matter how much lib yellow media you want to gulp down..

real reports show otherwise.. I will take Judith Yaphe and Wurmser over your nuts far left nonsense on what was proven and ITS PROVEN..