I knew this conversation would decline into another dimension.Of course that is what you believe because that is what you want to believe. I had three family members there and didn't sleep well at night but all came back with the same story, we did the right thing although nothing is going to change your mind or anyone else who is so short term thinkers that they cannot see the forest for the trees. they will soon. Liberals live in a utopian bubble and judge everyone else in the world by their own standards. they simply cannot accept the fact that you cannot talk people out of their ideology and hatred for this country. It is like a cancer and has to be cut out or it will spread.
Too much CON to reprint. 'Others' don't want to destroy our way of life, if that was the case hundreds of truck bombs, like Mcviegh's in OKC, would be happening IN THIS COUNTRY. No they want us OUT. Out of their country, out of their politics and out of their culture. We prop up petty tyrants and call then 'allies'.
Force???? Seriously???? we can't afford 'force'... BushII didn't want to use 'force'... he wanted to use shock and awe. He wanted to bluff like war is poker. He refused to put the proper amount of FORCE in Iraq or Afghanistan. He refused to put us on a wartime footing- go shopping and be a 'patriot'. Afghanistan is the same BushII bumble. Years of low manning and now a late attempt to stabilize...
Funny thing I agree on what happens when you ignore the resume and fall for the rhetoric, we did that in 2000....
October 2010, record Iraqi and Coalition military deaths between January 2004 and December 2009 The documents record 109,032 deaths broken down into "Civilian" (66,081 deaths), "Host Nation" (15,196 deaths),"Enemy" (23,984 deaths), and "Friendly" (3,771 deaths)
Iraq war logs: secret files show how US ignored torture | World news | The Guardian
Associated Press stated that more than 110,600 Iraqis had been killed since the start of the war to April 2009.
That has been debunked in another thread as has been your credibility.
October 2010, record Iraqi and Coalition military deaths between January 2004 and December 2009 The documents record 109,032 deaths broken down into "Civilian" (66,081 deaths), "Host Nation" (15,196 deaths),"Enemy" (23,984 deaths), and "Friendly" (3,771 deaths)
Iraq war logs: secret files show how US ignored torture | World news | The Guardian
Associated Press stated that more than 110,600 Iraqis had been killed since the start of the war to April 2009.
That has been debunked in another thread as has been your credibility.
please, cut the crap.
They're splintered off from alQaeda, but aren't part of the organization. It's right in your quote. "Led to the group's formal split from al-Qaeda "
I notice you didn't answer the direct question. How many more American lives do we sacrifice for a place that is unwilling or unable to overcome sectarianism?
War is hell but unfortunately necessary to cut the cancer out that is invading us all. You live for today and ignore reality all the time.
You neocons never learn. There will be no stable Iraq as long as we continue to meddle there. It is up to the Iraqi's to resolve their own conflicts.
Nonsense, BLS numbers. Try again...
CONservatives are NEVER honest
Total private
Jan 2001 111,859,000
Jan 2009 111,397,000
BUSH LOST 673,000 PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS
OBAMA HAS 5+ MILLION
MAY 2014 116,594,000
Bureau of Labor Statistics Data
Right, cut the crap and stick to the OP. I am sticking to the OP and this isn't the OP to discuss Bush economic results
You have been reported, this is off topic and has nothing to do with the Thread topic. I don't normally report people but when I do I will always acknowledge it. I am doing that now
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Screw Egypt.
Screw Libya.
Screw the gassed Syrians.
Screw Crimea.
Screw Ukraine.
Screw Iraq.
Did I leave anyone out?
Obama seems strangely okay with all this.
Three years ago when we "Cut and Run" the Iraqi government was as stable as it could be. If we would left a presence there (10 thousand men) the country would not be in the bad shape it is.
I see everything as a problem when you have an incompetent in the WH and that is our problem here. Yes, it is Obama's fault because of Obama's arrogance. What you and most people here don't seem to comprehend is leadership and that with leadership comes responsibility. Results judge leadership and the Obama results generate what you call ODS. I actually like the guy personally but his lack of leadership skills, executive experience, and actual results support my so called ODS. There isn't one economic number or foreign policy result of Obama's better than Bush's and the hatred here for Bush is incredible. I am result oriented as are most successful people, those who aren't rely on liberal rhetoric and support
Answering you're question:
Ask an Iraqi war vet.
I wouldn't want to see American ground combat troops going back to Iraq. I also know it couldn't be done today considering that only 3 Army Combat Brigades out of 33 are (C-1) or (C-2.)
Note: I find it interesting that it seems not to be a policy any longer to keep a units combat readiness classified for twelve years. I suppose when our military finds itself in bad shape and a hollow force it has to be made public.
And you don't think the 3-something trillion we already spent was an attempt to do just that?
And you think it is possible to take a seventh century fundamentalist Islamic republic, which is *nominally* controlled by Iran and just drop in a few strip malls and suddenly everyone will be running around flashing peace signs and making duck face selfies and saying "America yes Number One, blue jeans, hamburger Big Mac Justin Bieber okay!" ???
My question for you, and anyone who believes this is possible:
On what planet do you spend the majority of your free time? View attachment 67168148
Because its much better to let terrorists behead civilians than have American bombs hurt them.How about if we just drop some bombs on the place. We could easily blow it to little itty bitty pieces. :mrgreen:
No. Only the decider decided. You guys have run from that for years, unwilling to take personal responsibility.
Because its much better to let terrorists behead civilians than have American bombs hurt them.
Yes, we have to handle the terrorists with kid gloves. I know! Let's give them more weapons and money. That'll help! Then they'll be our friends! :2razz:
Tony Blair said:He wrote: "Because some of the commentary has gone immediately to claim that but for that decision, Iraq would not be facing this challenge; or even more extraordinary, implying that but for the decision, the Middle East would be at peace right now; it is necessary that certain points are made forcefully before putting forward a solution to what is happening now.
"Is it seriously being said that the revolution sweeping the Arab world would have hit Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain, Syria, to say nothing of the smaller upheavals all over the region, but miraculously Iraq, under the most brutal and tyrannical of all the regimes, would have been an oasis of calm?
"Easily the most likely scenario is that Iraq would have been engulfed by precisely the same convulsion … The risk would have been of a full blown sectarian war across the region, with states not fighting by proxy, but with national armies."
Mr Blair, who said he was not calling for allied troops to return to Iraq but all measures short of that, including air strikes, said the major cause of the current conflict was the civil war in Syria, together with the "sectarianism of the Maliki Government" which had "led to the alienation of the Sunni community".
Tony Blair: Syria conflict is to blame for current Iraq crisis - UK Politics - UK - The Independent
Tony Blair writes:
So, I think Blair is right...Instead of addressing the situation we are looking to place blame on the devolution of Iraq. And to make it worse Mr. Obama has essentially told hundreds, if not thousands of American's still in Iraq at our embassy there, to sit tight while he goes to Palm Springs to play golf, and fund raise, and decide what he will do...Sound familiar? That's because it is....Very similar to how he tangentially handled Benghazi....Our people under attack? Well, just go to sleep, and head out to a fund raiser....
This criminal is getting people killed, and couldn't care less.
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