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I remember a family member did an iPhone 4 OS upgrade and accidentally discover Siri. By the next upgrade it was gone.
I have 2 family members with Samsung Galaxies who've let me goof around with their phones and I do like the iPhone's user friendliness and graphics quality better. Lets see if the iPhone 6 offers a larger screen and other improvements. Anybody know of what for sure upgrades are coming with the iPhone 6?
If you look at the difference between say an iPhone 4 and 4s ... a better processor in the 4s and Siri... that is it. Battery time was about the same, screen the same, no 4G still. Also there is no Siri on the 4 because Apple does not allow it.. it can run just fine on the iPhone 4.
Realistic wish list based on understanding of the apple upgrade cycle, along with a few reaches
1. Increase in the processor speed and RAM
2. Some improvement to the camera
3. Additional Siri API's and improvements
4. Updates to the Map application
5. iOS 7 which ends up being a signifiant paint job change on a lot of the built in apps
6. Usability updates to the notification area.
POSSIBLE reaches...
1. Multiple iPhones launched A cheaper model of lower end material for developing countries. A scaled up one that utilizes a similar aspect ratio to other devices already in their lineup, to provide a "large screen phone".
2. NFC addition. Not likely, but IF it's added I see Apple creating their own custom wallet application along side it.
3. Probably "adopting"/"stealing" some jailbroken apps method of toggling radios without going into the settings. Probably in the notification area. Similarly possibly looking at stealing some ideas for improving multitasking slightly.
The bigger thing will be that it'll push the 4s into the "free" category, making Siri even more ubiquitous.
This could have problematic consequences as you flood potentially even more users onto a Siri system that has its hicups at times and is still clearly a work in progress. I think Siri's gotta take some leaps this year or else its going to be problematic.
They can stay in their holding pattern this year but I think if they don't do something significantly innovative...or take something that has already been innovative RECENTLY and put solid mass market appealing polish and spin on it...then it's going to be tough times ahead. Confidence has been shaken since the death of Jobs and the standard slow increase becomes harder the more and more you have a new android phone splatted onto the market every month.
Also a significantly improved camera on the front and back, facetime over celullar, and HSPA+ on AT&T's network and an actual "World phone".
Though again, all the talk of specs is basically wonderful geek talk to hopefully make themselves look good to people that don't know better. The same was done (and I was right there doing it) back in the days of early smart phones and their PDA forefathers as well as the PC realm. The reality is that comparing flat processor speed or RAM information between two devices running entirely different operating systems is a bit like comparing lemons to oranges. They're both tropical fruit, they have similarities, but they are still rather different. An old Palm Vx ran a 20 MHz processor compared to a Compaq iPAQ's 206 HMz StrongArm chip...and yet for the vast majority of things people did on their PDA's, the Palm was as fast if not faster than the Compaq because the OS was optimized in a way that it didn't need a faster processor. Specs don't tell nearly the whole story, but they are wonderful for giving tech nerds (a group I readily admit I'm part of) a chubby and a way to sound so much superior to those outside of the know.
The reality is that even if the iPhone 5s "sounds like a 2 year old android phone", it's still going to likely run any similar program and any task as smooth and efficently, if not more so, than whatever the cutting edge android phone is that comes out during that year. Because while they're both smart phones, the reality is they are both very different animals in terms of what's running on top of all that hardware.
Err Facetime over celullar always worked .. just not in the US on US carriers.
As for a "world phone".. not even the 5 is a world phone, but it is close.
Camera are mehh after you have seen the Nokia 808 or the Lumia 920.
I remember when the 4S came out and they said "twice as fast" as the 4... err no... The speed was max 800mhz, and was actually on the 4S artifically lowered to conserve battery.. but because it had 2 cores then Apple used "twice as fast" marketing... it was utter bull**** since no apps at the time could run on 2 cores.
Have you tried Jelly Bean? It is actually smoother than iOS 6.. and far more stable.
Realistic, and pretty standard. However on the ram issue, I dont think it will be with the 5s. Apple has never upgraded their amount of ram that quickly ever. Plus more ram means more money to companies that they dont like.
Has been a big rumor fueled by analysts mostly. The problem with a cheaper phone is that they would damage the brand. And after all the "cheaper" phone is usually last years model. What they might do is lower the price or provide financing. In China they have started a financing service so people can buy their products on credit and pay per month for x number of months.
I doubt they will add NFC. Apple and Jobs have never been a fan of NFC because it was in their words too slow. Plus they already have a wallet application and is not exactly a major hit. They might bring out some propitiatory system that they only use... like the lighting port on their Macs.. expensive and not compatible with anything.
Only in selected markets and with selected telecoms.. the 4s is still over 100 euros more expensive than the Galaxy S3.. in fact I can get an S3 contract free for 409 euros and the iPhone 4s costs 569 from Apple.
Siri blows donkey balls.. it has not evolved one bit since it came out with the 4s, where as Android versions have not only passed Siri but made massive leaps ahead. Have you seen how slow Siri is compared to the Android apps that do the same? I have one called Android Assistant and it can open any app on my phone... Siri cant last I played with it.. only Apple and approved apps.
Well they do have the best marketing team on the planet.. they could get Bush Jr elected US president again! But the confidence has been hit despite the great marketing because of cockups like Apple Maps, like updates that break wifi or battery life or security issues. It is simply the flood of bad news that not even the Apple marketing department with their media puppets can stop.
However in the US, which is a large market, that was a difference between the two. The iPhone 4s was able to use Facetime over Cellular sans jailbreak. The iPhone 4 could not.
The 4s is a dual Quad-Band GSM radio along side a dual band CDMA radio, qualifying it as a "world phone". Regardless if you want to quibble based on your personal feeling regarding the definition, the fact the 4s was a dual Quad-Band GSM/Dual Band CDMA radio when the 4 was either one or the other, is a difference between them.
Which is irrelevant to the factually incorrect information you stated. You stated the between the 4 and 4s was Siri and the processor. That's simply undisputably false. Trying to divert away from that fact by leaping into an entirely different topic of comparing it to the Nokia phones doesn't change your error or the actual fact.
One such difference is the camera. Not only was it a difference, it was one of the primary ones Apple highlighted when announcing the device. The iPhone 4 was 5 megapixels compared to 8 for the 4s. Video recording went from 720p on the 4 to 1080p on the 4s. The 4s included an additional lens, a wider aperture, and an IR filter providing better low light shooting, better clarity, and better color balance.
Beat your strawman up all you want, but my comment was accurate in response to the inaccurate one you stated.
Doesn't really respond to anything I actually said in the quoted passage, but sure...okay...why not.
I don't actually remember "twice as fast" marketing, but I'll take your word for it.
Wouldn't surprise me, marketers exaggerate, pretty much a given. Believing a marketer is like believing a politician. However, your "err no" dismissal is also rather dishonest in its flippant implication. Here's the geekbench stats for the iPhone4 vs iPhone 4s from anandtech.
623 vs 360. So definitely not "twice as fast", but still a boost of about 75%. Additionally, the majority of Apples marketting I remembered seemed to be focused around the improvements when it came to graphics. Here, the iPhone4s significantly improved over the iPhone 4
That's an over 600% improvement. A fairly decent change between the 4 and 4s.
The issue regarding cores is legit, but also not something unique to Apple. When Dual Core android phones started coming out, there wasn't a rash of Dual Core enabled apps either despite it being a dual core process being part of an advertising pitch. That's true of ANY technology. However, dual core usable apps came pretty quick into the stores, so it's kind of an idiotic complaint.
I have. I appreciate your opinion. Disagere entirely and I've witness no such greater smoothness nor stability. As far as real world experience with them, I've never seen an Android phone that made me go "That's smoother and quicker" than the equivilent iphone I've used. Apparently your and I's experiences greatly vary. In terms of bench marking, the iPhone5 was right in line with the One X and was about 200 points back from the SIII thanks to that machines Quad Cores. Considernig a 75% increase in speed was something you chuckled off above, I imagine an 11% speed difference from one flagship in benchmarks and pretty much equal to the other flagship isn't too big of a deal.
Right now, my decision of phone is simple....my job provides me with an iPhone 4s that I am authorized to use as my personal phone as well. So unless they change to offering Android by the time its time to retire my current phone (only blackberry and iphone offered atm) then I'm going to be using iOS. And I have no problems with that. There's nothing so intriguing about another OS...OR any of the new iPhones for that matter...that makes it compelling enough to spend the money to pay for cellular service. If at some point I no longer have this phone...sure, maybe at that point I'll determine if I want to flush the investment I've made in the ecosystem and jump ship to another OS based on the hardware and OS being good enough to make that jump worth it, but as of right now nothing gives me any compelling reason to do such.
I realize that Apple users are loyal and I can respect that, but the Galaxy series is a far superior product.
Stop, because this is pure ignorance. It's akin to claiming that Coke is a superior product to Pepsi. It's like claiming a four door coupe is a superior product to a sports car.
At best, you could claim that the Galaxy series is a superior piece of internal hardware. That's it. And that even is a statement based on ignorance that hardware specs for two different devices running on entirely different OS's don't necessarily correlate.
What is or isn't a superior product greatly depends on the needs, desires, and purpose of the individual purchsing the product. It's laughable how you throw in a comment about Apple users "loyalty" in a back handed insult kind of way, while turning around and making an outlandish hyperbolic statement in favor of the product line you're "loyal" to.
Android itself does offer customization abilities to meet pretty any specific need outside of relatively obscure specialist software.
Also, Google Voice TROUNCES Siri in response time and accuracy. I don't really use either on my Nexus 7 vs iPad 3, but from what Youtube Videos show, it's not even close.
I'm probably one of the weird people who actually wants a smaller phone. Was looking at the Nexus 4 (can buy TWO iPhones for that price!). But it's still large. iPhone 5 is nice, but not at that price. An iPhone 4 is going new $349 on Virgin Mobile.
If Apple brings out Widgets for iOS 7, that will remove a big advantage Android has. I really wish my iPad had widgets.
Yes, it's amazingly customizable. It's one of it's strengths. It's also part of what covers up one of it's weaknesses in some peoples mind....that it's a poor out of box experience for some folks. Some people don't want to go through the process of finding a bunch of customizations, continually tweaking their phone, with a necessity to get it just right. Some want an out of box experience in terms of interface that is good and enough to make them happy without any tweaking, even if it's not "perfect". For some, iOS gives that where Android doesn't.
In my earlier days, I would've been gungho on Android. There was a reason I went PocketPC and later Windows Mobile over Palm, then blackberry, then iOS. But I've also became one of those people who don't want to mess around with interface options and tweaks and various things on end anymore. I'd love a little bit more of it than iOS gives, but to me it's no longer a big deal. I'd be happy if they added widgets and such, and it'd be a nice addition, but it's not a feature that's of any weight for me personally at this point. It's sprinkles on top.
You dont have to "customize" ... if you buy a Samsung, HTC and so on, they have their own system that is just as user friendly as iOS.
Then you would love Windows Phone... you get the best of both worlds basically.
Yes, it's amazingly customizable. It's one of it's strengths. It's also part of what covers up one of it's weaknesses in some peoples mind....that it's a poor out of box experience for some folks. Some people don't want to go through the process of finding a bunch of customizations, continually tweaking their phone, with a necessity to get it just right. Some want an out of box experience in terms of interface that is good and enough to make them happy without any tweaking, even if it's not "perfect". For some, iOS gives that where Android doesn't.
In my earlier days, I would've been gungho on Android. There was a reason I went PocketPC and later Windows Mobile over Palm, then blackberry, then iOS. But I've also became one of those people who don't want to mess around with interface options and tweaks and various things on end anymore. I'd love a little bit more of it than iOS gives, but to me it's no longer a big deal. I'd be happy if they added widgets and such, and it'd be a nice addition, but it's not a feature that's of any weight for me personally at this point. It's sprinkles on top.
And again, "user friendly" is entirely in the eye of the beholder. Simply because the out of the box experience to you is better doesn't necessarily mean that's some kind of universal fact.
Oh but that is what you and other Applefans claim... and Apple it self!
Yes, but you miss the whole point. What happens to the iPhone buyer that ends up not liking the "experience" of the out of the box iPhone? They're SOL, is what.
They take it back within their 30 day point and try another phone, or they wait until their contract is up and try a different OS while cursing themselves for dragging their feet in the first 30 days.
The same state that a user who has no desire to customize or tweak Android has if they discover the experience isn't to their liking.
Ah, so iPhone's personalization feature is the return policy? Got it.
This doesn't actually change the stereotype of the average iPhone user. :2razz:
Yes, it's amazingly customizable. It's one of it's strengths. It's also part of what covers up one of it's weaknesses in some peoples mind....that it's a poor out of box experience for some folks. Some people don't want to go through the process of finding a bunch of customizations, continually tweaking their phone, with a necessity to get it just right. Some want an out of box experience in terms of interface that is good and enough to make them happy without any tweaking, even if it's not "perfect". For some, iOS gives that where Android doesn't.
In my earlier days, I would've been gungho on Android. There was a reason I went PocketPC and later Windows Mobile over Palm, then blackberry, then iOS. But I've also became one of those people who don't want to mess around with interface options and tweaks and various things on end anymore. I'd love a little bit more of it than iOS gives, but to me it's no longer a big deal. I'd be happy if they added widgets and such, and it'd be a nice addition, but it's not a feature that's of any weight for me personally at this point. It's sprinkles on top.
Actually, I don't claim that. I think Apple is viewed as more "user friendly" by and large, or at the least "simpler" to learn and use (which you even acknowledge in your insulting use of verbage in an earlier post)....but utlimately, it comes down to individual preference as to what stock operating system an individual prefers.
That view is generated by marketing not reality. Windows Phone is far more user friendly and simpler.
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