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Interpretations - Disagreeing makes you an atheist?

walleye said:
Obvious child and ARealconservative remind me of a couple punks in the saloon who kept badgering the gunslinger until he called their bluff and they pissed their pants.
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Interesting analogy given your outright refusal to back up your claims elsewhere. I see you still refuse to even reply to several of the geology posts in the cited thread.
 
obvious Child said:
Actually is a logical fact. The data suggests the world (and universe) is much older and that a global flood never occurred. If the world and universe were created 6,000 years ago then God is lying about how the world operates, deliberately installing a physical set of laws that contridicts how God actually made the world and planting false evidence. Therefore God is a liar. If God created the world and universe as how science explains, then God is lying in the Bible.

You offer no counter arguments.



See post #1.
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I never claimed the earth was created 6000 years ago. You're putting words in my mouth again. You seem to have a habit of doing that. That is not debate. That is manipulation.

Where does the bible say that God created the earth 6000 years ago? It doesn't. I propose that your interpretation of the bible is wrong. Therefore, your entire argument is one big gigantic error.
 
obvious Child said:
You just posted numerous articles which support and argue for a 6,000 year old Earth.



Well, posting numerous article all saying the world was 6,000 years old as evidence for why there was a global flood is pretty good foundation for assuming you believe the world was 6,000 years old.
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Show me a quote from one of my articles which states the earth is 6000 years old.
 
walleye said:
Your assumptions and arrogance do you in. You're not that smart. I never said the earth is 6000 years old. You assume I believe that. That is a big mistake on your part.

Did you ever hear of bible believers who believe there was a creation before Adam? Here is an interesting article.

Creation Pt1
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Look, plain and simple.

Literal interpretation of the Book of Genesis:
Genealogies of Genesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - By number calculations (not me putting words in your mouth) the creation of Adam was roughly 4,000 BC (or 6,000 years ago). God created Adam on the 6th day, according to a literal interpretation of Genesis.

That is the literal interpretation of on the first man created according to the Book of Genesis. It would make God a liar because early homo-sapien fossils have discovered PREDATING the creation of Adam (as according to Genesis).

If Adam was the first man, then who was this guy?:
Hominid find

Are you going to even bother answering this one?
 
Degreez said:
Look, plain and simple.

Literal interpretation of the Book of Genesis:
Genealogies of Genesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - By number calculations (not me putting words in your mouth) the creation of Adam was roughly 4,000 BC (or 6,000 years ago). God created Adam on the 6th day, according to a literal interpretation of Genesis.

That is the literal interpretation of on the first man created according to the Book of Genesis. It would make God a liar because early homo-sapien fossils have discovered PREDATING the creation of Adam (as according to Genesis).

If Adam was the first man, then who was this guy?:
Hominid find

Are you going to even bother answering this one?
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Let's back up a bit and start here:
liblog: Wikipedia - a credible source? - The Libraries of The Claremont Colleges
 
walleye said:
Let's back up a bit and start here:
liblog: Wikipedia - a credible source? - The Libraries of The Claremont Colleges
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OK, since you didn't bother reading it. The point of the article was to show the age of creation following the genealogy of God's Prophets and there sons:
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Ancient Patriarchs in Genesis - Answers in Genesis

And since everyone follows a Christian calender: Jesus - 0 AD. Present - 2009
Which would make the creation of Adam at 4,000 BC (four thousand years Before Christ).

So, a literal interpretation of Genesis would make the earth roughly 6,000 years old. A literal interpretation of the Hebrew word "yom" is day. God created all in 7 days, the 6th day being the creation of Adam (4,000 BC).

walleye, is the earth 6,000 years old?
 
walleye said:
Let's hear you interpretation of God.
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It doesn't matter.

If someone believes in ANY god, that makes them a theist.

If someone does not believe in a god, then they are an atheist.

It's very simple.
 
walleye said:
Lying is a bad habit. It is your opinion that a literal interpretation results in a liar God. That is your opinion. It is not fact.
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Yes, it is.

A literal interpretation of the Bible means that God actually told Adam that if he ate from the tree, he would die that very day.

Adam did NOT die the day in which he ate the forbidden fruit.

Therefore, according to a literal interpretation of it, God lied.
 
 
Degreez said:
OK, since you didn't bother reading it. The point of the article was to show the age of creation following the genealogy of God's Prophets and there sons:
timeline.gif


Ancient Patriarchs in Genesis - Answers in Genesis

And since everyone follows a Christian calender: Jesus - 0 AD. Present - 2009
Which would make the creation of Adam at 4,000 BC (four thousand years Before Christ).

So, a literal interpretation of Genesis would make the earth roughly 6,000 years old. A literal interpretation of the Hebrew word "yom" is day. God created all in 7 days, the 6th day being the creation of Adam (4,000 BC).

walleye, is the earth 6,000 years old?
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I believe the earth is millions of years old, if not billions. I don't think anyone is sure.
 
walleye said:
I believe the earth is millions of years old, if not billions. I don't think anyone is sure.
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OK, so you don't hold a literal interpretation of Genesis.

A literal interpretation of Genesis would make God a liar.
 
MrFungus420 said:
It doesn't matter.

A literal interpretation gives an Earth about that old.
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No it doesn't. It's your interpretation and opinion that it does. I'm still studying the first 2 chapters of Genesis after 28 years and I learn all kinds of things in the old Hebrew. I've also held the "gap theory" for a while, but I'm not so sure any more. My mind is not entirely convinced of anything, but I am convinced the earth is millions and millions of years old.

I like your handle. Funny.
 
walleye said:
I believe the earth is millions of years old, if not billions. I don't think anyone is sure.
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Then how do you accept the flood and reject evolution?

If the Earth is billions of years old, why do you accept the flood which requires physical laws that reject what we see today?
 
obvious Child said:
Then how do you accept the flood and reject evolution?

If the Earth is billions of years old, why do you accept the flood which requires physical laws that reject what we see today?
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My mind is always open. That's how we learn. Science is learning new things every day about the earth and the universe. For anyone to claim they have all the answers is pretty ignorant and arrogant in my opinion.

I remember when I was a kid and the scientific world was making headlines about finding the "missing link" between ape and man in evolution. A few years later they admitted that what they found were actually pig bones.

I have been reading a lot about a prior creation that was destroyed. That would explain the dinosaurs. There is scientific evidence of a meteor causing their death. Whether it was a meteor or smething else has not been determined, but they say something catastropic killed everything. Who knows? Do you know? You're a pretty smart fella. What is your opinion on that?
 
walleye said:
Give us a link.
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Um...you quoted a post that had two links.

For anyone to claim they have all the answers is pretty ignorant and arrogant in my opinion.
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Which is exactly what you did in defending the flood.

I remember when I was a kid and the scientific world was making headlines about finding the "missing link" between ape and man in evolution. A few years later they admitted that what they found were actually pig bones.
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That doesn't make evolution wrong or the flood correct.

I have been reading a lot about a prior creation that was destroyed. That would explain the dinosaurs. There is scientific evidence of a meteor causing their death. Whether it was a meteor or smething else has not been determined, but they say something catastropic killed everything. Who knows? Do you know? You're a pretty smart fella. What is your opinion on that?
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That doesn't suggest a flood of a global scale. Nor does it suggest a young Earth as the author you posted to defend the flood believes. And it wasn't the direct asteroid impact that killed the dinosaurs. It was the subsequent collapse of the food chain.

How Noah survived the mere increase in heat in a global flood is really something creationists will never deal with.
 
Yes.

I have faith that you are an atheist based solely on the fact that you disagreed.

See how faith-based assertions work?
 
obvious Child said:
Um...you quoted a post that had two links.



Which is exactly what you did in defending the flood.



That doesn't make evolution wrong or the flood correct.



That doesn't suggest a flood of a global scale. Nor does it suggest a young Earth as the author you posted to defend the flood believes. And it wasn't the direct asteroid impact that killed the dinosaurs. It was the subsequent collapse of the food chain.

How Noah survived the mere increase in heat in a global flood is really something creationists will never deal with.
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This is what you stated: "The author of your article has several articles where he argues for a 6,000 year old earth".

Give me a link to one of his articles where he states the earth is 6000 years old.
 
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