Internal USPS documents raise questions about effectiveness of sorting machines removal order

[Linc]

Out of curiosity, why did they want to sabotage the post office?

Because his internal polls show him losing.
Trump's internal polls show the Senate flipping.

Trump has accomplished Putin's dream in every possible way.
This especially includes questioning the validity of elections.

Do you cheer trump holding super-spreader rallies?

 

[Lutherf]

I see you have never had to managed a budget professionally, that is how it is done in (successful) business as well.

Why do you think many companies have investments that they don't immediately invest or pay out in dividends? It is because **** happens and the institution sometimes needs liquidity to survive it.

That's not at all how it's done in successful businesses! It's a total waste to have significant slack production capability. You'll have a little bit built in but, as a rule, you're damned sure not going to be able to double capacity at the drop of a hat.

Look, even if you know a year in advance that there will be a huge spike in demand it isn't easy to plan for. For something like this you need a whole bunch of people that are trained and ready to hit the ground running even though they know that they'll only be employed for a matter of weeks. So, assuming you can find people that are willing and able to take a job for 4 just months, figure for an expected 4 week spike you'll need a minimum of 12 weeks training. Training means pulling supervisors off of other tasks so you'll have at least three months of waste for one month of production and then you're unlikely to ever need that level of production again. It's simply not practical and the ONLY type of entity that is stupid enough to think that way is government.

 

[Lutherf]

Because his internal polls show him losing.
Trump's internal polls show the Senate flipping.

Trump has accomplished Putin's dream in every possible way.
This especially includes questioning the validity of elections.

Do you cheer trump holding super-spreader rallies?

So the only way he can win is if he stops the mail in ballots? Is that what I'm getting? If people go to the polls then Trump wins and if they mail in ballots he loses, is that what you're suggesting?

 

[Linc]

So the only way he can win is if he stops the mail in ballots? Is that what I'm getting? If people go to the polls then Trump wins and if they mail in ballots he loses, is that what you're suggesting?

You no longer believe what you type, Lutherf.

 

[Lutherf]

You no longer believe what you type, Lutherf.

I asked a question. I wanted clarification of your statement. Do you have an answer for me or are you just going to keep spiting in the wind?

 

[WillyPete]

That's not at all how it's done in successful businesses! It's a total waste to have significant slack production capability. You'll have a little bit built in but, as a rule, you're damned sure not going to be able to double capacity at the drop of a hat.

Look, even if you know a year in advance that there will be a huge spike in demand it isn't easy to plan for. For something like this you need a whole bunch of people that are trained and ready to hit the ground running even though they know that they'll only be employed for a matter of weeks. So, assuming you can find people that are willing and able to take a job for 4 just months, figure for an expected 4 week spike you'll need a minimum of 12 weeks training. Training means pulling supervisors off of other tasks so you'll have at least three months of waste for one month of production and then you're unlikely to ever need that level of production again. It's simply not practical and the ONLY type of entity that is stupid enough to think that way is government.

Doubtless your views on our defense spending are similar, but obviously the USPS is the big problem.

 

[Lutherf]

Doubtless your views on our defense spending are similar, but obviously the USPS is the big problem.

The US military isn't a business and we spend a ****load of money on training and maintenance of slack resources for the military. The difference is that if we have a demand spike we can't meet with the post office we'll be inconvenienced. If we have a demand spike we can't meet for the military we could well be learning Chinese.

 

[Slartibartfast]

That's not at all how it's done in successful businesses! It's a total waste to have significant slack production capability. You'll have a little bit built in but, as a rule, you're damned sure not going to be able to double capacity at the drop of a hat.

Look, even if you know a year in advance that there will be a huge spike in demand it isn't easy to plan for. For something like this you need a whole bunch of people that are trained and ready to hit the ground running even though they know that they'll only be employed for a matter of weeks. So, assuming you can find people that are willing and able to take a job for 4 just months, figure for an expected 4 week spike you'll need a minimum of 12 weeks training. Training means pulling supervisors off of other tasks so you'll have at least three months of waste for one month of production and then you're unlikely to ever need that level of production again. It's simply not practical and the ONLY type of entity that is stupid enough to think that way is government.

You are way overestimating how much of an impact mail in balloting will have. This is at best a nominal increase for a month to a month and a half, which more closely mirrors seasonal demands like you might see around Christmas. The post office handles millions of parcels a day. Sp in the case of the post office, that capacity will be dormant anyway.

Many industries operate this way and yes that does mean capital can be tied up, but they still manage to stay in business and make a profit.

So yes, my point does stand, you need emergency moneys for nominal increases or disaster situations, this is part of managing risk in any company.

 

[WillyPete]

The US military isn't a business and we spend a ****load of money on training and maintenance of slack resources for the military. The difference is that if we have a demand spike we can't meet with the post office we'll be inconvenienced. If we have a demand spike we can't meet for the military we could well be learning Chinese.

USPS isn't a business either, and if we can't handle it's demand it will have a direct impact on the government's ability to function.

So, you're NOT a fan of right-sizing some government services. Any hope you're opposed to the privatization of our military forces, also?

 

[iguanaman]

Am I understanding this correctly? Everyone was ****ting themselves that Trump was ordering the dismantling of the USPS to prevent mail in ballots being processed but the stuff that was being "dismantled" had already been slated for decommissioning...and it's still Trump's fault?

Yes Trump's unqualified donor/PO General has been in office since May so he has been busy with his wrecking ball since then. Did you think it was a new thing that Trump did not want mail in ballots because it would cause Republicans (and him) to lose?

May 26, 2020
Trump makes unsubstantiated claim that mail-in ballots will lead to voter fraud

https://twitter.com/i/events/1265330601034256384?lang=en

 

[iguanaman]

The US military isn't a business and we spend a ****load of money on training and maintenance of slack resources for the military. The difference is that if we have a demand spike we can't meet with the post office we'll be inconvenienced. If we have a demand spike we can't meet for the military we could well be learning Chinese.

LOL We don't need many men to push the red button. You don't think the reason the Russians don't invade us is because of our troop strength do you? :lamo They would be here in hours if we didn't have the nukes to turn Moscow to glass in an instant. The Chinese not so much... they need us as much as we need them. Who's going to buy all their stuff? "Nigeria with snow" has nothing to offer except what they dig out of the ground.

 

[Lutherf]

USPS isn't a business either, and if we can't handle it's demand it will have a direct impact on the government's ability to function.

So, you're NOT a fan of right-sizing some government services. Any hope you're opposed to the privatization of our military forces, also?

It operates very much the same way a business does and is intended to do so. As an independent agency is is set up to generally be outside the influence of the ever changing political winds. As such, it is primarily consumer funded just like most businesses.

 

[Lutherf]

LOL We don't need many men to push the red button. You don't think the reason the Russians don't invade us is because of our troop strength do you? :lamo They would be here in hours if we didn't have the nukes to turn Moscow to glass in an instant. The Chinese not so much... they need us as much as we need them. Who's going to buy all their stuff? "Nigeria with snow" has nothing to offer except what they dig out of the ground.

The Chinese are communists. They like it when people buy their stuff but, like all good communists, will roll back to a command economy once their capitalist pretenses have outlived their usefulness. The are capitalist only to the extent that it serves the interests of the CCP

 

[iguanaman]

The Chinese are communists. They like it when people buy their stuff but, like all good communists, will roll back to a command economy once their capitalist pretenses have outlived their usefulness. The are capitalist only to the extent that it serves the interests of the CCP

Putin is an authoritarian dictator with a giant nuclear arsenal and expansion on the brain. His country is failing and his only hope is to conquer and expand or die. The Chinese have the fastest growing middle class in the world by far and by all measures their Govt. have abandoned Communism in a bid to remain in power. There is no putting their people back on the farm and depend on trade to continue their growth. Putin has none of those things. He can be put down by simply not buying his oil which the world does not even need. I believe that will be the most important foreign policy for Biden to enact. A total world embargo on Russia until they return to their borders and agree to stop meddling in other countries affairs. Putin's nuclear bombers in Venezuela are an act of war every bit as bad as the USSR's missiles in Cuba were.

 

[WillyPete]

It operates very much the same way a business does and is intended to do so. As an independent agency is is set up to generally be outside the influence of the ever changing political winds. As such, it is primarily consumer funded just like most businesses.

The entire government is "consumer funded," if you decide to use those words to describe it.

The USPS never had a profit motive. It has always been up to the politicians to sustain it.

If managing our resources poorly is the source of your dismay, then the USPS simply doesn't remotely compare to the military (amongst other programs) for waste, and very likely any number of other government agencies.

But you don't care about any of that, and it's not why you're here.

 

[Lutherf]

The entire government is "consumer funded," if you decide to use those words to describe it.

The USPS never had a profit motive. It has always been up to the politicians to sustain it.

If managing our resources poorly is the source of your dismay, then the USPS simply doesn't remotely compare to the military (amongst other programs) for waste, and very likely any number of other government agencies.

But you don't care about any of that, and it's not why you're here.

The federal government is FAR from being consumer funded. Half the country receives benefits for which they contribute nothing and another 30% a mere pittance of operational revenues. The idea that politicians "sustain" the post office SHOULD scare the crap out of you because that means it could and would be used for political motives. It could, for example, be politically expedient if the campaign mailers of one's political opponent got "lost". That's the EXACT reason that the USPS is generally "off budget" and is supposed to be fiscally self-sufficient.