Red-Phase said:I smell a smear!!!!
keep up the demonizing campiegn...
Engimo said:...No one is demonizing anyone. The school board acted in a way that they should not have, and now they are getting punished for it. They did something wrong - bottom line.
Red-Phase said:Intelligent Design gets the smackdown it deserves=bible bashing
Red-Phase said:Intelligent Design gets the smackdown it deserves=bible bashing
Well, THAT is interesting. The ID supporters have bene adamate that ID is not about the Bible or about God. In fact, that wasd their main argument for putting ID in the Science Classroom.Red-Phase said:Intelligent Design gets the smackdown it deserves=bible bashing
steen said:Well, THAT is interesting. The ID supporters have bene adamate that ID is not about the Bible or about God. In fact, that wasd their main argument for putting ID in the Science Classroom.
So now you are saying that the ID were LYING? You are saying they were dishonest in their claim?
That is a fascinating admission on your part.
Red-Phase said:ID is about God and Creation.Stop with the loaded questions please and put away that poor strawman will ya?
Red-Phase said:ID is about God and Creation.Stop with the loaded questions please and put away that poor strawman will ya?
libertarian_knight said:Good, now we can get rid of ID from science class. Thank you for your candor. Good to see a Christian (or jew maybe?) not lying about the issue.
Engimo said:So, if ID is about God and Creation, you admit that it is religious and putting it in our schools would be a violation of the Establishment Clause?
Engimo said:Well, that's a nice change of pace.
Engimo said:Well, that's a nice change of pace.
Engimo said:Well, that's a nice change of pace.
libertarian_knight said:Isn't it? I really think I can like him now. Even though I think he is wrong, honesty goes a long way toward resolve conflicts.
Thank you Red-Phase.
Red-Phase said:my personal opinion is that if children are raised christian then it won't that bad of a loss.Except THERE CANNOT BE ANY ANTI-ID TALK FROM TEACHER EITHER.
Red-Phase said:my personal opinion is that if children are raised christian then it won't that bad of a loss.Except THERE CANNOT BE ANY ANTI-ID TALK FROM TEACHER EITHER.
Engimo said:Well, if it gets brought up by a child as a matter of science, should the teacher not debunk the factual inaccuries contained in the idea?
Red-Phase said:They cannot comment on religion at all.
No, that would be what is known as "creationism." ID merely claims that some biological structures are to complex to have evolved naturally.Red-Phase said:ID is about God and Creation.
Before you decide to make more erroneous claims, it would be beneficial for you to show that you know what you are talking about.Stop with the loaded questions please and put away that poor strawman will ya?
libertarian_knight said:three things: 1) there will be anti-ID talk, in certain circles, including education. But it should be mitigated and tempered. In my public education expirience, the only mention of anything like ID was about two sentences in the first chapert of my biology text in college. You don't have much to fear in that regard really.
2) Be careful not to confuse Faith in what some men have said and written, with Faith in God.
3) What is the source of your fear or concern over anti-ID talk? Satisfaction comes from being correct, concern comes from uncertainty.
Why? For what reason? We don't teach college courses on how the Earth is flat, or how the sun rotates around the Earth. We don't have classes in false religious-inspired claims in college. So there is no purpose for teaching ID.Red-Phase said:Yes it should be taunt in college instead.Under its own course.
What do you mean with "fair"? "Fair" is teaching the truth. And it has been demonstrated that ID is not true, so why should that not be pointed out? We have no restriction about not talking about the Flat-Earth society either, so why should we be restricted in speaking against the lies of OD or creationism?Should be optional.No science class(or any) though should talk agianst ID either to be fair.
And what does this have to do with anything?In high school there should be a religion classes.(to be fair but I don't believe in islam but if there are Christian classes there have to be others too)
Stop making false claims about science or about ID.Stop trying to put words in my mouth.
What do you mean with 'debate"? Science uses facts, creationism and ID are based on lies and misrepresentations. There is no debate with lies.Red-Phase said:3)There will be both sides in a debate or no debate(or talk of the subject) at all.
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