Intel chief releases Russian disinfo on Hillary Clinton that was rejected by bipartisan Senate panel

[Mycroft]

No, thier report was quite accurate and detailed.

Your claim is based on what Bill Barr SAID the Mueller Report said, before he sat on it for weeks while the right wing noise machine made sure that the misleading narrative was planted in people’s minds.

The Mueller Report constains detailed information about the routine communication between the Trump campaign and Russian intelligence operatives.

We even have Don Jr telling everyone it’s great that Russians are coming to the Trump Tower to dish dirt on Hillary. That’s collusion. Plain and simple.

The Senate Intelligence Committee put pay to these Trumpster memes, not that they weren’t pretty much alway obviously false.

If you have a problem with facts, you could try asking Mifsud.

But he disappeared in 2017, and no one has seen hide nor hair of him since.

I haven't said a word about what Barr said about the report, though his summary was accurate.

"(T)he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

 

[GDViking]

Only it turned out not to be made up. When the DNC went public before the election on this, their allegations turned out to be very accurate.

The problem Trumpster have with this is that they can’t dismiss the facts that the Trump campaign did all these things. We have the documents. We have the testimony from the participants. The FBI was able to run down the Russian FSB disinformation campaign so well that they could identify the officers in charge. It’s all documented.

The Trump campaign did collude with Russian intelligence and operatives close to Putin.

And the only argument that Trumpsters have is to ignore 400 plus pages of evidence (as the GOP Senate did), and pretend that facts don’t exist.

The Russians are screwing with American social media again, thanks in no small part to the GOP effort to block any legislation that would have outlawed it.

But they’re not all in. They don’t trust Trump (no one does anymore), and they probably don’t think they can get anything else out of him.

True. What could he give them that he hasn't already???

Shit he gave them a US Air base, that they are happily occupying and using every day...

 

[GDViking]

Well we know that was bullshit...

First example that comes to mind is turning over internal polling data to Russia...

What do you suppose they needed that for???

Bathroom reading???

 

[digitusmedius]

"The Rat" is doing precisely what he pledged not to do: Use his position for political purposes. But he's a Dirtbag tool of long standing so it's no surprise whatsoever that he'd corrupt the office he holds and try to help Dirtbag win. Down the stretch we're going to see much more and much worse abuse by Dirtbag's entire corrupt criminal enterprise to try to save him. But it won't.

 

[digitusmedius]

"The Rat" is doing precisely what he pledged not to do: Use his position for political purposes. But he's a Dirtbag tool of long standing so it's no surprise whatsoever that he'd corrupt the office he holds and try to help Dirtbag win. Down the stretch we're going to see much more and much worse abuse by Dirtbag's entire corrupt criminal enterprise to try to save him. But it won't.

 

[Luce]

Except that it isn't baseless. It is factual and completely accurate. It was rejected by the Intelligence Committee because if they had accepted it then Hillary would be facing criminal charges today.

Yes, because we know the senate just loves Hillary Clinton.

 

[digitusmedius]

Except that it isn't baseless. It is factual and completely accurate. It was rejected by the Intelligence Committee because if they had accepted it then Hillary would be facing criminal charges today.

You don't even know that this Senate investigation concluded this year not in 2016 not to mention that the Senate committee is controlled by Republicans so WTF are you even here for if you're that ignorant of this issue? Just to embarrass yourself?

 

[digitusmedius]

Well, except in this case we all witnessed the Hillary campaign trying to tie Donald Trump to Vladimir Putin and the hacked emails. What exactly do you dispute? Is your claim that Hillary never gave her approval to do so? It just happened without her assent?

Nobody tied Russia to Dirtbag's campaign better than your dear Dearbag himself:

Russia was listening and Russia responded by doing just what he asked them to do a few hours later that night.

 

[Glitch]

So. Liars bother you? Lock her up you say. Yes?

Yet, you support Trump. Arguably the greatest liar to ever occupy the oval office and perhaps any other public office in American history. What does that make you?

Should we be bothered?

What makes you think I support Trump? I didn't vote for him in 2016, and I have no intention of voting for him in 2020. I don't vote for leftist freaks, regardless which political party they have to be registered with at the time.

All politicians are habitual liars. There are no exceptions, and political party makes no difference. Hillary's criminal acts goes all the way back to the 1970s when she committed fraud and was fired while working on Nixon's impeachment. Her criminal career stretches back at least 46 years, and probably further.

 

[jpn]

They knew before Labor Day 2016 the Trump campaign was not involved. No evidence. Nothing. No reason to continue.

Ha ha. You're funny.

Donnie Jr. didn't meet with Russian-government representatives to "get dirt" on Clinton. Right.
Paul Manafort didn't give polling data to the Russians. Right.
Trump didn't publicly ask Russia to get the Clinton emails. Right.
Roger Stone didn't coordinate with Wikileaks on when to release the Russia-obtained emails. Right.
Flynn wasn't illegally negotiating with the Russian ambassador to undermine Obama's sanctions. Right. I guess that's why he didn't lie about it to the FBI. Oh wait...

Ever wonder why all the Trumpers lie their asses off about this? Over and over and over? Why didn't Barr's own hand-picked hatchet man find any significant wrongdoing by the FBI in Crossfire Hurricane? Why?
Why didn't Trump criticize Russia even for putting bounties on our troops' heads? Why?

 

[jpn]

God what a pleasure it will be when all these Trump yes men are removed from government. I am sure Biden already has his list of terminations ready to go.
The only person I'd keep if I was Biden is Christopher Wray. It's going to be one hell of a transition.

Yes, Wray is keeping his soul, unlike Barr and company. I want to see Sally Yates as Attorney General. Make Lt. Col. Vindman her top aid.

 

[Glitch]

I don't believe making up BS to try and win a campaign violates any law. Now using the BS to secure FISA warrants IS against the law. But they expect us to believe the FBI is incompetent, not corrupt.

Making up BS to try to win a campaign does not violate the law. In fact, it is expected. Like when Hillary started the birther movement against Obama in 2008. Many people want to blame Trump for that, but in 2008 Trump was a huge Hillary supporter and literally hung on every word she said. While Trump did indeed continue to spread the lie, it was Hillary who started it. Just like it was Hillary who started the lie about Russia collusion. She was the one actually colluding with Russia and other foreign countries. Saudi Arabia alone paid Hillary's foundation more than $900 million.

The FBI has been "incompetent" for a very long time. Since at least the 1940s. That level of incompetence can only be corruption. Replacing one corrupt Director with another one from within the FBI will not solve the problem either. It only compounds the problem until you have a rogue agency that takes it upon itself to replace the President of the United States.

 

[digitusmedius]

What makes you think I support Trump? I didn't vote for him in 2016, and I have no intention of voting for him in 2020. I don't vote for leftist freaks, regardless which political party they have to be registered with at the time.

All politicians are habitual liars. There are no exceptions, and political party makes no difference. Hillary's criminal acts goes all the way back to the 1970s when she committed fraud and was fired while working on Nixon's impeachment. Her criminal career stretches back at least 46 years, and probably further.

Oh, jeebus. Based on what you claim above and your earlier comment about Ratcliffe's bullshit being "true" and then the bizarro-world notion that Hillary started the birther bullshit we can only imagine what hare-brained, whacked out political sect you belong to.

 

[rocket88]

Just before the Presidential Debate, Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe on Tuesday declassified a Russian intelligence assessment that was previously rejected by Democrats and Republicans on the Senate Intelligence Committee as having no factual basis, according to two sources familiar with the matter.

From Hillary Clinton’s spokesperson, asked about the declassification of Russian disinformation that blames Clinton for trying to tie Donald Trump to Vladimir Putin:

“Baseless bullshit.”

Smell the desperation. See the corruption.

Somebody needs to tell Trump that she isn't running against him. Because it seems like he hasn't realized that yet.

 

[digitusmedius]

Somebody needs to tell Trump that she isn't running against him. Because it seems like he hasn't realized that yet.

The only recycling that Dirtbag practices is that of his psychotic rantings.

 

[digitusmedius]

I haven't said a word about what Barr said about the report, though his summary was accurate.

"(T)he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

Conspired, perhaps not. Coordinated and cooperated, oh yeah and in spades:

1. Trump was receptive to a Campaign national security adviser’s (George Papadopoulos) pursuit of a back channel to Putin.
2. Kremlin operatives provided the Campaign a preview of the Russian plan to distribute stolen emails.
3. The Trump Campaign chairman and deputy chairman (Paul Manafort and Rick Gates) knowingly shared internal polling data and information on battleground states with a Russian spy; and the Campaign chairman worked with the Russian spy on a pro-Russia “peace” plan for Ukraine.
4. The Trump Campaign chairman periodically shared internal polling data with the Russian spy with the expectation it would be shared with Putin-linked oligarch, Oleg Deripaska.
5. Trump Campaign chairman Manafort expected Trump’s winning the presidency would mean Deripaska would want to use Manafort to advance Deripaska’s interests in the United States and elsewhere.
6. Trump Tower meeting: (1) On receiving an email offering derogatory information on Clinton coming from a Russian government official, Donald Trump Jr. “appears to have accepted that offer;” (2) members of the Campaign discussed the Trump Tower meeting beforehand; (3) Donald Trump Jr. told the Russians during the meeting that Trump could revisit the issue of the Magnitsky Act if elected.
7. A Trump Campaign official told the Special Counsel he “felt obliged to object” to a GOP Platform change on Ukraine because it contradicted Trump’s wishes; however, the investigation did not establish that Gordon was directed by Trump.
8. Russian military hackers may have followed Trump’s July 27, 2016 public statement “Russia if you’re listening …” within hours by targeting Clinton’s personal office for the first time.
9. Trump requested campaign affiliates to get Clinton’s emails, which resulted in an individual apparently acting in coordination with the Campaign claiming to have successfully contacted Russian hackers.
10. The Trump Campaign—and Trump personally—appeared to have advanced knowledge of future WikiLeaks releases.
11. The Trump Campaign coordinated campaign-related public communications based on future WikiLeaks releases.
12. Michael Cohen, on behalf of the Trump Organization, brokered a secret deal for a Trump Tower Moscow project directly involving Putin’s inner circle, at least until June 2016.
13. During the presidential transition, Jared Kushner and Eric Prince engaged in secret back channel communications with Russian agents. (1) Kushner suggested to the Russian Ambassador that they use a secure communication line from within the Russian Embassy to speak with Russian Generals; and (2) Prince and Kushner’s friend Rick Gerson conducted secret back channel meetings with a Putin agent to develop a plan for U.S.-Russian relations.
14. During the presidential transition, in coordination with other members of the Transition Team, Michael Flynn spoke with the Russian Ambassador to prevent a tit for tat Russian response to the Obama administration’s imposition of sanctions for election interference; the Russians agreed not to retaliate saying they wanted a good relationship with the incoming administration.

Guide to the Mueller Report’s Findings on “Collusion”
Of course, no amount of fact will ever stop Dirtbag and his cult from lying their collective asses off about it.

 

[dixon01767]

Well we know that was bullshit...

First example that comes to mind is turning over internal polling data to Russia...

What do you suppose they needed that for???

Bathroom reading???

To be convinced Trump was going to win. Of course.

 

[jpn]

I haven't said a word about what Barr said about the report, though his summary was accurate.

Barr's summary of the Mueller Report was a brazen lie. Barr claimed the Mueller team "did not find that the Trump Campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election." In fact, it found a lot of evidence of the campaign coordinating with Russians. What the report said that this evidence was not sufficient to charge Trump et. al. with a criminal conspiracy--two very different things. Yet Barr chose to say Mueller did not "find" a conspiracy or coordination--which slyly presented the report in laymen's terms as a complete exoneration.

Barr completely omitted any discussion on the facts documented by Mueller of Trump's obstruction of justice, including Trump's many egregious acts. Barr did not mention Trump's maneuvering to fire the special counsel and rid himself of the investigation, and then covering up his attempts to fire the team, even going so far as instructing his White House counsel to concoct a bogus memo for the White House files.
Instead, Barr merely explained that Mueller's team looked at "a number of actions by the President"; it then minimized their findings by noting that most of the evidence was already public--which was literally true but hid the damning nonpublic facts that were documented in the report for the first time. The only reason to write that was to purposely distort the report's actual findings.

Mueller withheld his judgement as to whether Trump broke the law because of Mueller's principled position that he felt he couldn't charge someone who wouldn't be able to legally challenge the charge due to the DOJ's position that a sitting president could not be charged with a crime. Barr omitted all that, and just claimed that Mueller ultimately "did not draw a conclusion." So Barr jumped in to find that Trump hadn't broken any law, when obviously he had.

 

[Mycroft]

Barr's summary of the Mueller Report was a brazen lie. Barr claimed the Mueller team "did not find that the Trump Campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election." In fact, it found a lot of evidence of the campaign coordinating with Russians. What the report said that this evidence was not sufficient to charge Trump et. al. with a criminal conspiracy--two very different things. Yet Barr chose to say Mueller did not "find" a conspiracy or coordination--which slyly presented the report in laymen's terms as a complete exoneration.

Barr completely omitted any discussion on the facts documented by Mueller of Trump's obstruction of justice, including Trump's many egregious acts. Barr did not mention Trump's maneuvering to fire the special counsel and rid himself of the investigation, and then covering up his attempts to fire the team, even going so far as instructing his White House counsel to concoct a bogus memo for the White House files.
Instead, Barr merely explained that Mueller's team looked at "a number of actions by the President"; it then minimized their findings by noting that most of the evidence was already public--which was literally true but hid the damning nonpublic facts that were documented in the report for the first time. The only reason to write that was to purposely distort the report's actual findings.

Mueller withheld his judgement as to whether Trump broke the law because of Mueller's principled position that he felt he couldn't charge someone who wouldn't be able to legally challenge the charge due to the DOJ's position that a sitting president could not be charged with a crime. Barr omitted all that, and just claimed that Mueller ultimately "did not draw a conclusion." So Barr jumped in to find that Trump hadn't broken any law, when obviously he had.

Mueller got in his weasel words, but what matters is this: "(T)he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

 

[jpn]

Mueller got in his weasel words, but what matters is this: "(T)he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

Yes, to that extent the obstruction of justice worked. Also, the Mueller team established that Trump obstructed justice, but Mueller felt it would be improper to come out and state that in the report.

 

[Mycroft]

Yes, to that extent the obstruction of justice worked. Also, the Mueller team established that Trump obstructed justice, but Mueller felt it would be improper to come out and state that in the report.

yawn...

Deflecting to obstruction now, are you?

That obstruction stuff in the Mueller report was nonsense. Nobody will EVER file any charges related to that stuff. It just won't stick in a court of law. (And Mueller's pukes knew that.)

 

[dixon01767]

Nobody tied Russia to Dirtbag's campaign better than your dear Dearbag himself:

Russia was listening and Russia responded by doing just what he asked them to do a few hours later that night.

Actually, if Russia ever had access to Hillary's emails they never released a single one at any time and the word used was "find", not hack.

 

[dixon01767]

That obstruction stuff in the Mueller report was nonsense.

Yeah. Even if there had been obstruction, it would be an obstruction of an illegitimate witch hunt that had nothing to do with justice

 

[jpn]

Actually, if Russia ever had access to Hillary's emails they never released a single one at any time and the word used was "find", not hack.

They gave them to Wikileaks. Roger Stone coordinated their release. And lied about it.

 

[Athanasius68]

They gave them to Wikileaks. Roger Stone coordinated their release. And lied about it.

See-- here is the problem-- sorry to say it this way, but you don't understand.
The Clinton emails were not released by Wikileaks.
The hacked DNC emails were released, which were not the same as the missing Clinton emails, emails that had nothing to do with Clinton directly.