It said the UK and Ukraine had signed an agreement to jointly build warships and construct two naval bases.
I don't get it. What is the message being propagandized in that article?
If you are going to talk about Western propaganda, why not talk about something substantial, like the way the military influences media to manufacture consent?
The military entertainment complex
I'm sure many people have heard of the military industrial complex, but many have not heard of it's cousin, the military entertainment complex. Most people don't realize the military has any connections with the film industry. However, the DOD actually has an entire office dedicated solely to...debatepolitics.com
It's just the way western media has propagandized this war is so minor compared to the conflicts we have been directly involved in. Like, the article you cited is such a tame framing of events compared to, say, how the media covered Iraq. Nobody is going to look at this and be horrified by the milquetoast narrative here.Because it is too indepth a subject to go into here. Not only that, it is a general theme and thus not specific to this conflict. The two examples of western propaganda I have cited thus far ARE relevant to this conflict. The latter will help explain what the score is on the fighting on Ukraines Black Sea coast is about.
If you understand how propaganda works you will know it is made up of a mixture of facts and crucial ommissions(sic), thus creating a skewed picture of an event.
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We are told the British navy is making sure international order is being maintained on the high seas. We are the ones doing the good here. We are , likewise, guided to the view that the Russians don't follow international rules IE annexation of Crimea, the Russiana(sic) are therefore the bad.
The crucual(sic) ommission(sic) that is left out is that the Russians are aware that this ship, that is buzzing waters they believe are theirs and are being patrolled by their forces, has just been the signing point of a deal whereby a NATO member has agreed to build two naval ports in Ukraine along with naval vessels to go with it
You might not think that that is a provocative move but I'm sure the Russians did and it might have factored into how committed they were to seeing off the British warship parading around the waters of the Black Sea
I have acrtually(sic) asked people about this incident and nobody I have spoken to, some of whom are pretty interested in such things, are aware about the agreement made between the British and Ukrainians regarding new naval facilities in Odessa.
To bring us right up to date on this my guess is that this is why we are seeing such frantic fighting in and around Mariupol . The plan will be to seize Odessa and deny Ukriane(sic) the proposed naval bases
YAY PUTIN!June last year saw a BBC news report from onboard the british battleship HMS Defender. We can ask just how convenient it was for the BBC camera crew and reporter to accompany the ship into waters off the coast of Ukraine but its just obvious. The news report showed footage of the brinksmanship of the British ship and its ongoing confrontations with Russian ships and jets.
We were treated to the laughable line of " to paraphrase, the " Royal Navy is out there making sure that international laws and order are being respected" The illegal attack on Iraq all but forgotten apparently
After the tooing and froing the report ends.
There is a written article on the BBC website that is something of a transcript of the news report but with an add on in the last sentence that is crucial in understanding what was really going on other than the Brits being good and the Russians being bad
The last sentence, only found in the last sentence of the written article, they are hoping nobody bothers reading it to the end? I think so............. states..........
So, I did some digging and it's true
At the same time HMS Defender was buzzing the coast of Crimea and having face offs with the Russian military it had signed an agreement to build two naval bases in Odessa just in the same neck of the woods as the huge Russian naval base of Sevastopol AND the agreement was signed where?.........onboard HMS Defender itself
Related sources below
The video report from the BBC news programme
written transcript article on the same
HMS Defender: Russian jets and ships shadow British warship
More than 20 jets and two coastguard ships shadow HMS Defender as it sails near Crimea's coast.www.bbc.co.uk
But Ukraine had a legal right to sign this agreement with the UK. And they had good reason to after the annexation of Crimea. They weren't doing anything underhanded. Any interference from Russia, whether it should have been expected or not, is Russia being 'bad.'If you understand how propaganda works you will know it is made up of a mixture of facts and crucial ommissions, thus creating a skewed picture of an event.
S0
We are told the British navy is making sure international order is being maintained on the high seas. We are the ones doing the good here. We are , likewise, guided to the view that the Russians don't follow international rules IE annexation of Crimea, the Russiana are therefore the bad.
The crucual ommission that is left out is that the Russians are aware that this ship, that is buzzing waters they believe are theirs and are being patrolled by their forces, has just been the signing point of a deal whereby a NATO member has agreed to build two naval ports in Ukraine along with naval vessels to go with it
You might not think that that is a provocative move but I'm sure the Russians did and it might have factored into how committed they were to seeing off the British warship parading around the waters of the Black Sea
I have acrtually asked people about this incident and nobody I have spoken to, some of whom are pretty interested in such things, are aware about the agreement made between the British and Ukrainians regarding new naval facilities in Odessa.
To bring us right up to date on this my guess is that this is why we are seeing such frantic fighting in and around Mariupol . The plan will be to seize Odessa and deny Ukriane the proposed naval bases
If you understand how propaganda works you will know it is made up of a mixture of facts and crucial ommissions, thus creating a skewed picture of an event.
S0
We are told the British navy is making sure international order is being maintained on the high seas. We are the ones doing the good here. We are , likewise, guided to the view that the Russians don't follow international rules IE annexation of Crimea, the Russiana are therefore the bad.
The crucual ommission that is left out is that the Russians are aware that this ship, that is buzzing waters they believe are theirs and are being patrolled by their forces, has just been the signing point of a deal whereby a NATO member has agreed to build two naval ports in Ukraine along with naval vessels to go with it
You might not think that that is a provocative move but I'm sure the Russians did and it might have factored into how committed they were to seeing off the British warship parading around the waters of the Black Sea
I have acrtually asked people about this incident and nobody I have spoken to, some of whom are pretty interested in such things, are aware about the agreement made between the British and Ukrainians regarding new naval facilities in Odessa.
To bring us right up to date on this my guess is that this is why we are seeing such frantic fighting in and around Mariupol . The plan will be to seize Odessa and deny Ukriane the proposed naval bases
It's just the way western media has propagandized this war is so minor compared to the conflicts we have been directly involved in. Like, the article you cited is such a tame framing of events compared to, say, how the media covered Iraq. Nobody is going to look at this and be horrified by the milquetoast narrative here.
The difference is the public doesn't really need to be convinced of much of anything in this case, so there is no need for the extreme level of propagandizing that happened during Iraq. While we obviously are supporting Ukraine, America isn't in this war. Ukraine obviously has been pumping out propaganda.Well you say this war has been only slightly propagandized by the western media ( I wonder whether you live in a cave) but if that were the case we wouldn't be witnessing the ridiculous reactions from the western populations we are seeing.
You mention Iraq but the same was true of that war, Virtually all articles supported the war, peddled the same lies that the govts peddled. The voices referrenced were nearly always military folk who were pro war. it was only AFTER the war had started, and we are talking years after it started that the MSM started to publish more critical articles about the whole affair. That's how it works
You think that saturation coverage of the victims in this war is " so minor"? really?
How many times did we see pictures of Iraqi women and kids crying and telling the world how scared they were?
We were treated to " shock and awe" not the vile destruction of civilian areas of Baghdad etc
Just look at the common reaction to such relevant stuff as the expansion of NATO..............." Putin propaganda"....... no hugely relevant to understanding how we got here
The defacto NATOisation of Ukraine with exercises, arms , training and, as the story I cited earlier, the proposed/agreed building of naval bases
TBH I am shocked that this has obviously bypassed you but bypass you it has. If you are familiar with manufacturing consent you shouldn't need to be led by the hand through this but it seems you do need it
The difference is the public doesn't really need to be convinced of much of anything in this case, so there is no need for the extreme level of propagandizing that happened during Iraq. While we obviously are supporting Ukraine, America isn't in this war. Ukraine obviously has been pumping out propaganda.
The level of intentional propaganda going on isn't even comparable to when we had to justify ongoing conflicts we were participating in.
But Ukraine had a legal right to sign this agreement with the UK. And they had good reason to after the annexation of Crimea. They weren't doing anything underhanded. Any interference from Russia, whether it should have been expected or not, is Russia being 'bad.'
I don't see how leaving out the signing of an agreement with the UK changes the calculus here. Why should I care how Russia felt about this Ukraine/UK agreement after it annexed Crimea? Russia is the bad actor here. Ukraine and the UK are the good actors engaged in a legal deal.
I don't dispute that. What I am saying is that it was all but left out of the conversation regarding the " Black Sea Incident" precisely because it would have explained the Russian reaction a little more clearly and that is not allowed. Maybe the British people might also have asked why we are aiding the Ukrainian naval aspirations while our own health service is dying on its feet.
You also don't appear to want to factor in how this is further evidence of how Ukraine was becoming a defacto NATO member whilst everyone was keeping quiet on this. It wasn't lost on the Russians and be sure that Odessa as a result we either be destroyed or annexed off the back of it. Not a judgement call on whether that is right or not, to me it's not, but to the Russians the threat will be taken care of during this conflict if they can manage it.
You don't have to care, the Russians care about the greatest military alliance in history that considers them an enemy lining up on its borders
That doesn't give them the right to use military force to prevent it.I don't dispute that. What I am saying is that it was all but left out of the conversation regarding the " Black Sea Incident" precisely because it would have explained the Russian reaction a little more clearly and that is not allowed. Maybe the British people might also have asked why we are aiding the Ukrainian naval aspirations while our own health service is dying on its feet.
You also don't appear to want to factor in how this is further evidence of how Ukraine was becoming a defacto NATO member whilst everyone was keeping quiet on this. It wasn't lost on the Russians and be sure that Odessa as a result we either be destroyed or annexed off the back of it. Not a judgement call on whether that is right or not, to me it's not, but to the Russians the threat will be taken care of during this conflict if they can manage it.
You don't have to care, the Russians care about the greatest military alliance in history that considers them an enemy lining up on its borders
A whole what.... 5% of their border?
That doesn't give them the right to use military force to prevent it.
A whole what.... 5% of their border?
missing, of course, the qualification of "unless it's me doing it".If you understand how propaganda works you will know it is made up of a mixture of facts and crucial ommissions
You consider it a "provocation" when China steams a warship in the S China Sea....LOL.
>smirk<
I knew you'd come back. In lieu of having no content, attacking posters is all you got.I bet they would provide better discussions than yourself and prove themselves to be well more knowledgeable on geopolitics
I knew you'd come back. In lieu of having no content, attacking posters is all you got.
June last year saw a BBC news report from onboard the british battleship HMS Defender. We can ask just how convenient it was for the BBC camera crew and reporter to accompany the ship into waters off the coast of Ukraine but its just obvious. The news report showed footage of the brinksmanship of the British ship and its ongoing confrontations with Russian ships and jets.
We were treated to the laughable line of " to paraphrase, the " Royal Navy is out there making sure that international laws and order are being respected" The illegal attack on Iraq all but forgotten apparently
After the tooing and froing the report ends.
There is a written article on the BBC website that is something of a transcript of the news report but with an add on in the last sentence that is crucial in understanding what was really going on other than the Brits being good and the Russians being bad
The last sentence, only found in the last sentence of the written article, they are hoping nobody bothers reading it to the end? I think so............. states..........
So, I did some digging and it's true
At the same time HMS Defender was buzzing the coast of Crimea and having face offs with the Russian military it had signed an agreement to build two naval bases in Odessa just in the same neck of the woods as the huge Russian naval base of Sevastopol AND the agreement was signed where?.........onboard HMS Defender itself
Related sources below
The video report from the BBC news programme
written transcript article on the same
You clearly haven’t a clue as to what propaganda actually is. Here’s a hint: it’s an attempt to convince a populace of that which is essentially not true.HMS Defender: Russian jets and ships shadow British warship
More than 20 jets and two coastguard ships shadow HMS Defender as it sails near Crimea's coast.www.bbc.co.uk
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