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Inquiry launched into gay parent study

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AUSTIN, Texas, July 12 (UPI) -- The University of Texas is investigating claims of scientific misconduct regarding a controversial study on children of gay parents, officials said.

The study in question, authored by Associate Professor of Sociology Mark Regnerus, found that children of homosexual parents purportedly showed less success in economic and romantic pursuits and often struggled with mental health issues. The study was published last month in the journal of Social Science Research.

Read more: Inquiry launched into gay parent study - UPI.com

This inquiry will prove interesting. The study in question took kids from broken families who had a gay or lesbian parent and assessed them for disparities compared to families headed by married couples who had been together through the kids' life. Obviously if the study had taken kids from broken families who had two straight parents it would have found the same disparities for them, and that is the issue. The study also didn't measure the parenting ability of same sex couples, since only one committed same sex couple was used in the study. While the study did show disparities for children of gay and lesbian parents, it didn't demonstrate that those disparities had anything to do with the sexual orientation of the parent, only that family instability lead to much less favorable outcomes for the kids. Of course, that is not how the author presented his results and antigay groups like the National Organization for Marriage have already began using his research to make arguments against same sex marriage policy.
 
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Interesting. This is the case that apparantly has been made by Scott Rose. I'll look into it further and see if I can indeed find this amicus brief.

There is no need for complicated argument about whether the Regnerus study is scientifically valid. Regnerus made no valid comparison between his test group and his control group. As Dr. Nathaniel Frank said, writing in the L.A. Times: Regnerus: "fails the most basic requirement of social science research — assessing causation by holding all other variables constant." Regnerus's UT colleague, Sociologist Debra Umberson, says this about his study:
"Regnerus' study is bad science.

Among other errors, he made egregious yet strategic decisions in selecting particular groups for comparison," (i.e., Regnerus made no valid sociological comparison between his test group and his control group). The American College of Pediatricians -- a tiny religious-right splinter group - filed -- less than one day after the Regnerus study was published -- an amicus brief in the Golinski-DOMA case in California; their brief relied very heavily on Regnerus's study, but mischaracterized Regnerus's study, by saying that it was done on young adult children of "same-sex couples." One month later, eight major professional associations, including the American Medical Association, filed what essentially is a "response" amicus brief to the ACP brief; they point out 1) the falsehoods about the Regnerus study in the ACP brief; and 2) the fact that the Regnerus study itself makes no sociologically valid comparisons between Regenrus's test and control groups.

If you think I'm "just an activist" -- why don't you go ask the American Medical Association, and all the other major professional associations who signed onto that brief, what led them to say that the Regnerus study is not valid as science? Furthermore, Regnerus is in multiple violations of the American Sociological Associations "Code of Ethics." These are determinations that can be made with objectivity, no matter one's personal opinions about gay people and/or gay rights. For example, the ASA Code of Ethics says that a sociologist may only become active in a new field of sociology, one that has not previously been his specialty, *after* taking steps to ensure that his work in the new area will be competent.

Regnerus was not a specialist in same-sex parenting -- and yet he paid Dr. Paul Amato to consult with him on the study design -- Amato himself is not an expert in same-sex parenting. So, both Regnerus and Amato violated the ASA's Code of Ethics. Two non-specialists, going ahead and working together on the same specialty for which they have no credentials. You add to that, apparent political collusion between Regnerus and his National Organization for Marriage-linked funders, and you have an evident scandal. NOM's Maggie Gallagher has been telling the public, for example, that Amato is a "significant outside scholar" who says that Regnerus's study is the best ever done on same-sex parenting. See what she did there? She falsely alleged that Amato, who was paid to consult on the study with her organization's leaders' money, is an "outside" scholar. The heck if he is! She also calls him "significant," attempting to mislead people into believing that Amato has credentials in the field of same-sex parenting, when he does not. Just how sleazy does an operation have to be, before you acknowledge that it is sleazy?
 
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What I find more interesting about this asshattery is how the heck that article made it through peer review?! Either there is a huge problem in general with professors in sociology not knowing how to evaluate the scientific validity of...anything...or there is further corruption within the peer review process.
 

Read more: Inquiry launched into gay parent study - UPI.com

This inquiry will prove interesting. The study in question took kids from broken families who had a gay or lesbian parent and assessed them for disparities compared to families headed by married couples who had been together through the kids' life. Obviously if the study had taken kids from broken families who had two straight parents it would have found the same disparities for them, and that is the issue. The study also didn't measure the parenting ability of same sex couples, since only one committed same sex couple was used in the study. While the study did show disparities for children of gay and lesbian parents, it didn't demonstrate that those disparities had anything to do with the sexual orientation of the parent, only that family instability lead to much less favorable outcomes for the kids. Of course, that is not how the author presented his results and antigay groups like the National Organization for Marriage have already began using his research to make arguments against same sex marriage policy.

A group like National Organization for Marriage, with an obvious agenda, wants to use a flawed study that backs up their own prejudices in order to support that agenda.

Now, where have we ever seen such a thing before?
 
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Disputed parenting study introduced in court case challenging DOMA | The Colorado Independent

Just one day after the results of a controversial parenting study were released to the public, the research was used – and misrepresented – in a federal court brief defending the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act.

The brief was filed by a conservative medical group at the urging of the Alliance Defending Freedom, an influential religious right legal organization. It illustrates the right’s strategy of using the new research – which was funded by two conservative organizations – in legal battles to preserve bans on gay marriage.

What is of particular interest is this part...

The ACP’s brief repeatedly asserts that the study assessed outcomes for “children raised by same-sex couples” or “children raised by two women” or “two men.”

But what Regnerus actually did was compare people who spent their entire childhood living with their married, biological parents to people who grew up in a family in which at least one of their parents had a same-sex romantic relationship at some point. In other words, the group of people Regnerus coded as having a “gay father” or a “lesbian mother” consisted not simply of people raised by two same-sex parents, but also of people raised by parents who were separated or divorced or whose parents had same-sex affairs.

This is seeming more and more suspicious. It's almost like this study was funded and drafted specifically so conservative organizations could misuse it to attack same sex marriage even though it has absolutely nothing to do with same sex marriage or the ability of same sex couples to parent.
 
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Video: American Family Association Says Gay Biological Parents Should be Denied Custody of Kids

On his radio program yesterday (video below), American Family Association Executive Director and conservative Christian Bryan Fischer was discussing the controversial study by professor Mark Regnerus claiming to show that children of same-sex parents fare worse than children of heterosexual parents.

Fischer said the study was evidence that children in same-sex homes are at a higher risk for sexual molestation.

Fischer said that that any gay parent "who goes into the homosexual lifestyle after siring children""should be denied custody and have only supervised visits with their kids.



Why do conservatives do this? Why do they have to lie and distort information to push their views? Is attacking gays really worth destroying any credibility you have?
 
A group like National Organization for Marriage, with an obvious agenda, wants to use a flawed study that backs up their own prejudices in order to support that agenda.

Now, where have we ever seen such a thing before?

Let me see what we have here....

An inquiry into this study based on how it was constructed since it compared outcomes of children of married couples to the outcomes of children from broken homes of gay and lesbian parents and did not include any comparison of kids from broken homes with heterosexual parents?

An organization using this study to attack same sex marriage in the courts even though the study has nothing to do with same sex marriage or the ablity of same sex couples to parent?

A man using this study to argue that gays biological parents are pedophiles who should be stripped of their parenting rights?

Please feel free to show me how gay rights people have used any study in the same fashion that conservatives are using this study.
 
Update:

UT seeks to withhold parenting study documents, citing 'investigation' | The American Independent

The University of Texas is arguing it should not have to release documents related to a controversial parenting study conducted by one of its professors, citing as one of its reasons an “ongoing compliance investigation” into allegations of scientific misconduct.

A university spokesperson described the review as an automatic inquiry that was triggered by an outside complaint. According to the spokesperson, such an inquiry, which must be completed in 60 days, is standard procedure when a complaint is filed. The results will be used to decide whether a more serious investigation is warranted.

I wish they would make up their mind whether this is an "inquiry" or an "investigation". Either way it would prove quite interesting if it came to light that an anti same sex marriage organization was in contact with Regnerus and influenced how this study was carried out. I hope the American Independent keeps up on it and gets the documentation it has requested.
 
Let me see what we have here....

An inquiry into this study based on how it was constructed since it compared outcomes of children of married couples to the outcomes of children from broken homes of gay and lesbian parents and did not include any comparison of kids from broken homes with heterosexual parents?

An organization using this study to attack same sex marriage in the courts even though the study has nothing to do with same sex marriage or the ablity of same sex couples to parent?

A man using this study to argue that gays biological parents are pedophiles who should be stripped of their parenting rights?

yes, that about sums it up.

Please feel free to show me how gay rights people have used any study in the same fashion that conservatives are using this study.

You misunderstand me. I'm not attacking gay rights people at all, just pointing out that special interest groups of all sorts like to use flawed studies to back up their points of view.
 
Thank you for staying on top of paying attention to this study.
 
Looks like we just some have some whiny bigoted gay activist and gay-activist enabling sociomorons -- morons who actually think sociology is a "science", who didn't like what the science said at the end. He compared the "gay" children with hero unbroken, broken, and really broken(foster parents) apparently.

People scientifically documenting things such as racila differences and such have long faced this sort of leftist witch hunting when reality doesn't meet up with the elfties bull**** version of reality.

The main reason he couldn't do a complete and statsitcally valid study is due the incredibly "brokeness" of gay relationships. Of the 7-8 thousand he had the information for, only like 1 of them were together for an entire 18 year period.
 
Looks like we just some have some whiny bigoted gay activist and gay-activist enabling sociomorons -- morons who actually think sociology is a "science", who didn't like what the science said at the end. He compared the "gay" children with hero unbroken, broken, and really broken(foster parents) apparently.

People scientifically documenting things such as racila differences and such have long faced this sort of leftist witch hunting when reality doesn't meet up with the elfties bull**** version of reality.

Were you drunk when you posted this? It is far from coherent.

The main reason he couldn't do a complete and statsitcally valid study is due the incredibly "brokeness" of gay relationships. Of the 7-8 thousand he had the information for, only like 1 of them were together for an entire 18 year period.

Oooookay. Same sex marriage didn't even exist when the kids in this study grew up. In fact, sodomy was illegal in most states when these kids grew up and so same sex relationships were not exactly tolerated.

I love that you come into my thread, make a post laden with grammar and spelling errors, and then claim to know anything about the topic when you clearly haven't even read the study. But I bet you won't return and even read this, so I don't know why I bother. The average anti gay poster on this forum has the education of an elementary school student and the attention span of a gold fish.
 
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Were you drunk when you posted this? It is far from coherent.

Maybe.. Don't know. It's perfectly fine grammatically and otherwise.

Oooookay. Same sex marriage didn't even exist when the kids in this study grew up. In fact, sodomy was illegal in most states when these kids grew up and so same sex relationships were not exactly tolerated.

I love that you come into my thread, make a post laden with grammar and spelling errors, and then claim to know anything about the topic when you clearly haven't even read the study. But I bet you won't return and even read this, so I don't know why I bother. The average anti gay poster on this forum has the education of an elementary school student and the attention span of a gold fish.

This study wasn't even about gay men. Funny you think I'm the one not reading it. I'm not really anti-gay. I'm anti-bull****. Same sex relationships still really aren't that well tolerated. And? The question is, as it was in the case, what about the children caught in those situations. You've internalized the entire thing in an incredibly selfish manner. it 's a study "about the kids", not a treatise on homosexuals themselves.

It's like someone pointing out high chances for an assortment of genetic diseases if 2 jewish people decided to have a kid. it's just a fact, not "anti-semitic" to point out they might want to get a genetic screening for a whole host of diseases.
 
This study wasn't even about gay men.

The study was about outcomes of children of gay and lesbian parents.

Funny you think I'm the one not reading it. I'm not really anti-gay. I'm anti-bull****. Same sex relationships still really aren't that well tolerated. And? The question is, as it was in the case, what about the children caught in those situations. You've internalized the entire thing in an incredibly selfish manner. it 's a study "about the kids", not a treatise on homosexuals themselves.

It is a study that people are using to attack same sex marriage and proclaim gays are pedophiles who should be stripped of their biological children. So...yeah...I'm not pleased.

It's like someone pointing out high chances for an assortment of genetic diseases if 2 jewish people decided to have a kid. it's just a fact, not "anti-semitic" to point out they might want to get a genetic screening for a whole host of diseases.

They didn't point out anything. They didn't even isolate for sexual orientation. They compared two groups, broken homes with a gay or lesbian parent and intact homes of married heterosexual parents. They didn't include any comparison group of broken homes led by heterosexual parents. So all they did was show that family instability leads to worse outcomes for kids. They could have replaced the broken homes led by gay and lesbian parents with broken homes headed by blacks or broken homes headed by women and they would have gotten the same result. The outcomes of the children had nothing to do with the sexual orientation of the parents.

Now if you want to argue that gay and lesbian parents are more likely to break up, then feel free. I can show you studies that indicate they have the same divorce rate as heterosexuals when same sex marriage is allowed. In effect, if you want more family stability then same sex marriage is the way to go.

One last thing....

GO READ THE FU**ING STUDY! COMMENTING ON SOMETHING YOU HAVEN'T READ IS A STUPID BEHAVIOR! STOP EMBARRASSING YOURSELF!

Thank you and have a nice day.
 
Unfortunately there are very few studies concerning homosexuality that don't have an agenda. This seems to be another one.
 
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Now the Republican controlled House is using this study to defend DOMA. This is, of course, despite the fact that this study has absolutely nothing to do with same sex marriage and not a single participant in this study was raised by a married, same sex couple.

House Legal Team Cites Misleading Parenting Study | Advocate.com

A Republican-controlled congressional body this week used a controversial new parenting study to argue that the Defense of Marriage Act is constitutional.

The Bipartisan Legal Advisory Group of the U.S. House of Representatives, commonly known as BLAG, filed a brief Tuesday with the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in the case of Karen Golinski, who is suing to force the federal government to recognize her marriage. BLAG has been involved in this and other marriage cases since last year, when President Obama decided the Department of Justice would no longer defend the constitutionality of a key section of DOMA.

Now as much as some people would like to argue that studies showing gay and lesbians are capable parents have been used in misleading ways to push a same sex marriage agenda, I challenge you to find one such study that has been used to the degree and as quickly as this study has been misused and distorted to push the anti same sex marriage agenda. There is no comparison.
 
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Now the Republican controlled House is using this study to defend DOMA. This is, of course, despite the fact that this study has absolutely nothing to do with same sex marriage and not a single participant in this study was raised by a married, same sex couple.

House Legal Team Cites Misleading Parenting Study | Advocate.com



Now as much as some people would like to argue that studies showing gay and lesbians are capable parents have been used in misleading ways to push a same sex marriage agenda, I challenge you to find one such study that has been used to the degree and as quickly as this study has been misused and distorted to push the anti same sex marriage agenda. There is no comparison.

Sounds like faulty intelligence to me.
 
To be fair, you've provided links to everything BUT the study in question. If you want people to talk about the study, link to it, rather than just linking to articles critical of it.

Hm...I thought I had. My reaction seems a bit overzealous now.
 
Those three words, follow the money, still prove out after 4 decades. When you find out who funded a thing, a shady thing, then you can figure out why.

I'm jaded, so I'm not so sensitive anymore to the fact that some of the people who should be the most trustworthy, in this case two Christian groups and a Professor, are often the most deeply dishonest.
 
The study was about outcomes of children of gay and lesbian parents.



It is a study that people are using to attack same sex marriage and proclaim gays are pedophiles who should be stripped of their biological children. So...yeah...I'm not pleased.



They didn't point out anything. They didn't even isolate for sexual orientation. They compared two groups, broken homes with a gay or lesbian parent and intact homes of married heterosexual parents. They didn't include any comparison group of broken homes led by heterosexual parents. So all they did was show that family instability leads to worse outcomes for kids. They could have replaced the broken homes led by gay and lesbian parents with broken homes headed by blacks or broken homes headed by women and they would have gotten the same result. The outcomes of the children had nothing to do with the sexual orientation of the parents.

Now if you want to argue that gay and lesbian parents are more likely to break up, then feel free. I can show you studies that indicate they have the same divorce rate as heterosexuals when same sex marriage is allowed. In effect, if you want more family stability then same sex marriage is the way to go.

One last thing....

GO READ THE FU**ING STUDY! COMMENTING ON SOMETHING YOU HAVEN'T READ IS A STUPID BEHAVIOR! STOP EMBARRASSING YOURSELF!

Thank you and have a nice day.

Be careful where you wave that gaystapo flag. I don't give a flying **** about your pathetic and ignorant attempts to piggyback off the media liars who wouldn't know a statistically significant sample if it bit their dicks off. There was, in the realm of social science, nothing incorrectly done in this study. The results just didn't reflect well on gay couples. The media had no problem with the numerous methodical errors in previors studies that suggested no/little difference between hetero/homo families. They had no concern about self-selected pipultions or grossly small sample sizes that are nearly impossible to mathematically show any significant statistical differences. Now the loony left liars in the media are concerned about the methodology when this study itself went so far out of its way to correct the many flaws of previous studies. They should be celebrating. the science is far better and more accurate. But they are angry. Angry that someone dare tell the truth as the numbers inform them. They wanted a different result.
 
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Be careful where you wave that gaystapo flag. I don't give a flying **** about your pathetic and ignorant attempts to piggyback off the media liars who wouldn't know a statistically significant sample if it bit their dicks off. There was, in the realm of social science, nothing incorrectly done in this study. The results just didn't reflect well on gay couples. The media had no problem with the numerous methodical errors in previors studies that suggested no/little difference between hetero/homo families. They had no concern about self-selected pipultions or grossly small sample sizes that are nearly impossible to mathematically show any significant statistical differences. Now the loony left liars in the media are concerned about the methodology when this study itself went so far out of its way to correct the many flaws of previous studies. They should be celebrating. the science is far better and more accurate. But they are angry. Angry that someone dare tell the truth as the numbers inform them. They wanted a different result.

Bullcrap. I'm not sitting here as some political hack who is angry at a study that paints a negative light on gay and lesbian parents. I'm a social scientist who is pissed because the researcher of this study specifically designed the study to produce this result.

Here is a question for ya. If I had a study comparing the outcomes of children raised by married same sex couples to the outcomes of children raised by divorced or separated heterosexual couples, would you have argued that there is no methodological error in my study?

That is exactly what his study does, only it switches it. He compares the outcomes of children raised by married heterosexual couples to the outcomes of children raised by gay and lesbian parents who are typically divorced or separated.

Now if you want to get into a debate about the stability of same sex relationships, then this study could certainly make great fodder for fighting for same sex marriage, but that is neither here not there. I wouldn't use it for that anymore than I would use it to argue against same sex marriage.

The fact is that even well done research isn't good research if it is done with an agenda to produce desired results. Is the other research out there perfect? No. But don't give me this bull**** like the two situations are comparable. This study within a few weeks has been used to argue against same sex marriage on the state and national level and has been used to attack gay and lesbian parents and call them pedophiles. That is disgusting no matter how you try to spin it.
 
Those three words, follow the money, still prove out after 4 decades. When you find out who funded a thing, a shady thing, then you can figure out why.

I'm jaded, so I'm not so sensitive anymore to the fact that some of the people who should be the most trustworthy, in this case two Christian groups and a Professor, are often the most deeply dishonest.

"Cui bono." Not much else needs to be said.
 
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