Navy Pride
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aps said:It is patently untrue to say you support the troops but don't support their mission.
I totally disagree with that. It may be "patently untrue" in your mind, but not in mine. I find it a little strange for people to continue to assert that as though there is only one way to interpret this issue. Me thinks that thou dost protest too much.
aps said:It is patently untrue to say you support the troops but don't support their mission.
I totally disagree with that. It may be "patently untrue" in your mind, but not in mine. I find it a little strange for people to continue to assert that as though there is only one way to interpret this issue. Me thinks that thou dost protest too much.
Naughty Nurse said:It's because some people sem to be capable only of towing certain lines - the GWB line, the Vatican line, or whatever.
Whenever certain people are challenged to substantiate their opinions they consistently fail to do so.
I believe that the military should be non-political, and should do as ordered by their government, be that right or wrong.
Therefore it is possible that military personnel do not agree with their own missions, but being professionals accept their responsibility to carry them out to the best of their abilities.
That given, it is perfectly possible for citizens to support the troops but not their mission.
Stinger said:Or the Cindy Sheena, MoveOn.org line?
Stinger said:Which is not the way it is, no soldier, sailor, sailor, airman or Marine is required to follow an unlawful order. Don't you agree that if a soldier believes an order to be unlaw they should not have to obey it?
Stinger said:I think that even if the soldier for whatever reason doesn't agree with the mission he wants to be victorious and win once the decission is made. Do you want our soldiers and military to win? If not then what exactly do you mean when you say you support the troops but not what they do.
Naughty Nurse said:I didn't say lawful or unlawful. I said right or wrong Not always the same thing.
Of course he (or she) should want to be victorious - how else would you define carrying out the job to the best of their abilities?
However, I wish our troops well and hope that the vast majority of them will return safely.
Dezaad said:I personally don't see how a person can support the troops and then turn around and expect them to risk their lives in an unjustified war...
cnredd said:
Stinger said:But ususally so, so you do agree that if a soldier, even an officer believes an order to be unlawful they are not required to carry it out?
Stinger said:I asked if YOU want them to be victorious, do you want them to win?
I'm not sure that anybody will win this one. How would you define winning in Iraq?
Stinger said:How about the enemies they are fighting, do you wish them well and hope they find safety?
No, I don't wish terrorists well, nor hope they will find safety. But my heart goes out to all of the innocent people who have been and will be killed in Iraq. In what way have we improved things for Iraqi citizens?
Stinger said:I wouldn't either, but then I also don't see how one can say they support the troops but hope they don't win either.
Navy Pride said:Every military person is taught to not obey an un lawful order.......The problem with the the liberal and Bush haters logic is that the order to go to war in Iraq is not unlawful, it was approved by a huge majority in the congress.....
vergiss said:What, you consider pride to be more important than the lives of American (and allied) men and women? That's nice of you. :roll:
Winning would be preferable. However, a retreat is far better than a bloodbath.
Dezaad said:Well, despite the attempts of others to make anti-war folks say something they don't mean, it is possible to support the troops and be against the war.
You see, the troops are doing what they do at the behest of the people. Troops are not the ones making the decisions, so we consider them to be obeying orders, and therefore do, in fact, support what they do: Their Duty.
As for wanting them to win, I don't think a person needs to want troops to win in order support them.
For instance, I would still support our troops if we invaded Canada tomorrow,
However, in the case of Iraq, this is not an issue. It is almost unanimous. We all want them to win, if we stay. And we certainly don't want them to lose, if we stay. So......... why are you even bringing it up? Ahhhhh ======>
Dezaad said:Hardly any liberal thinks the soldiers are doing in Iraq is obeying unlawful orders.
Only the ones as wacked out on the left as you are on the right believe such illogical things.
Even if the war in Iraq were to be considered an unlawful war, the troops would not be unlawful obeying the order to go there.
Naughty Nurse said:Absolutely. Although it would take a very courageous person to do that. What would be their chances of a fair hearing, do you think?
Stinger said:I asked if YOU want them to be victorious, do you want them to win?
I'm not sure that anybody will win this one.
No, I don't wish terrorists well, nor hope they will find safety.
But my heart goes out to all of the innocent people who have been and will be killed in Iraq.
In what way have we improved things for Iraqi citizens?
vergiss said:Stinger? You're putting words in people's mouths now.
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