Inherent Differences Between Men and Women

[Mr. Sam]

I got interested because of the video title, but chess is just the example he uses to enter the subject. Why aren't women as good at chess as men? What that leads to is the question, why aren't there more women at the highest level of math and science? There are a variety of theories. The two main ones are: a) lack of participation, and b) inherent differences in mental ability at the highest level. In other words, even though on average, women have the same mental abilities as men, there are more really brilliant men and more really stupid men. And then, does the same theory apply when it comes to professional sports and the dominance of African American athletes at the highest level?

The interesting question to me is, are the smartest men smarter than the smartest women, and are the dumbest men dumber than the dumbest women? In other words, even though men and women could be, on average, equally talented mentally, do men occupy more of the extremes of the bell curve?

Signed,
Sam, your humble Guardian of the Truth.

 

[dmpi]

Actually this is an interesting subject. As a society I think we should quit being hyper-focused about equality but rather celebrate the differences and make sure tasks are assigned to those best qualified to do them. Despite of the fact that IQ is just one number intelligence is not a one dimension thing. Skills and talents are essentially unlimited. it's a creative process to get people into what they're best able to do.

 

[Slavister]

Culture and traditions make it so that MUCH FEWER women enter fields of math and science. With much smaller pool of women, it's much more likely that men end up at the top.

As I've observed in a number of "traditional" (Republican parent) families, they encourage boys to succeed in these subjects and emphasize doing well in homework while praising girls for cleaning up well and cooking good dinners.

Update: just watched the video. It agrees. And throws in some other possibilities that sound plausible too. I'd still guess what I said is the dominant factor over others.

 

[eman623]

Culture and traditions make it so that MUCH FEWER women enter fields of math and science. With much smaller pool of women, it's much more likely that men end up at the top.

As I've observed in a number of "traditional" (Republican parent) families, they encourage boys to succeed in these subjects and emphasize doing well in homework while praising girls for cleaning up well and cooking good dinners.

What color is the sky in your world?

My daughter is expected to excel in homework and sports and anything else she sets her mind to. Her room OTOH, is a disaster area.

She is an excellent cook though. I taught her that.

 

[Slavister]

What color is the sky in your world?

Depends on the time. How about yours?

My daughter is expected to excel in homework and sports and anything else she sets her mind to. Her room OTOH, is a disaster area.

She is an excellent cook though. I taught her that.

You seem to think your N of 1 proves something.

 

[eman623]

You seem to think your N of 1 proves something.

It's better than your N of 0.

 

[Slavister]

It's better than your N of 0.

My N is way greater than 0.

And if you try to argue that traditional families emphasize STEM over traditional roles of women more than (or even to the same extent as) liberal ones... well... go ahead and try to make that argument

 

[eman623]

My N is way greater than 0.

Really? Provide a quote of a parent saying, "we encourage our boys to do well in homework while praising our daughters for cleaning up well and cooking good dinners."

And if you try to argue that traditional families emphasize STEM over traditional roles of women more than (or even to the same extent as) liberal ones... well... go ahead and try to make that argument

I think ALL families encourage both boys and girls to do well in school. If you have direct quotes from an actual parent saying otherwise, please share. I'll wait. Probably forever.

 

[Slavister]

Really? Provide a quote of a parent saying, "we encourage our boys to do well in homework while praising our daughters for cleaning up well and cooking good dinners."

I said this was based on observations. No quote is required or needed.

I think ALL families encourage both boys and girls to do well in school.

In general, yes. However such encouragements differ greatly, and further, girls are encouraged a lot more to do traditional women household roles in "traditional" families.

 

[Luce]

I AM POSTING IN THIS THREAD.

 

[eman623]

I said this was based on observations. No quote is required or needed.

You credibility suggests otherwise. That you can't back that up has been noted.

In general, yes. However such encouragements differ greatly, and further, girls are encouraged a lot more to do traditional women household roles in "traditional" families.

Is it red maybe? Or green? The color of the sky in your world.

 

[Slavister]

You credibility suggests otherwise. That you can't back that up has been noted.

Meh... I could care less about what you think about my credibility. Nor can you back up yours for that matter.

Is it red maybe? Or green? The color of the sky in your world.

Going senile?

 

[dmpi]

You seem to think your N of 1 proves something.

The whole climate change narrative is based on N=1. Last time I checked there's only one world.

 

[Slavister]

The whole climate change narrative is based on N=1. Last time I checked there's only one world.

Not sure if you are trying to make a joke that you think is funny, or really think this... which would then be a funny joke indeed.

 

[BirdinHand]

Really? Provide a quote of a parent saying, "we encourage our boys to do well in homework while praising our daughters for cleaning up well and cooking good dinners."


I think ALL families encourage both boys and girls to do well in school. If you have direct quotes from an actual parent saying otherwise, please share. I'll wait. Probably forever.

How quickly folks forget, huh?

For the ladies present today, congratulations on an amazing accomplishment. You should be proud of all that you have achieved to this point in your young lives. I want to speak directly to you briefly because I think it is you, the women, who have had the most diabolical lies told to you. How many of you are sitting here now about to cross this stage and are thinking about all the promotions and titles you are going to get in your career? Some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world, but I would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world.

I can tell you that my beautiful wife, Isabelle, would be the first to say that her life truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and as a mother. I'm on the stage today and able to be the man I am because I have a wife who leans into her vocation. I'm beyond blessed with the many talents God has given me, but it cannot be overstated that all of my success is made possible because a girl I met in band class back in middle school would convert to the faith, become my wife, and embrace one of the most important titles of all: homemaker.

 

[Luce]

How quickly folks forget, huh?

Isn't it amazing?

They don't even pretend anymore. OP is just trying to explain to your pretty little head that women may be cute when they pretend to be functional human adults, but they're better off doing what God intended them to do.

This is going to be a fun few years.

 

[Luce]

Actually this is an interesting subject. As a society I think we should quit being hyper-focused about equality but rather celebrate the differences and make sure tasks are assigned to those best qualified to do them. Despite of the fact that IQ is just one number intelligence is not a one dimension thing. Skills and talents are essentially unlimited. it's a creative process to get people into what they're best able to do.

Broken into plain English:

"Women belong in the kitchen."

Broken into plain reality:

"I am afraid of competition."

 

[Lursa]

Culture and traditions make it so that MUCH FEWER women enter fields of math and science. With much smaller pool of women, it's much more likely that men end up at the top.

As I've observed in a number of "traditional" (Republican parent) families, they encourage boys to succeed in these subjects and emphasize doing well in homework while praising girls for cleaning up well and cooking good dinners.

Update: just watched the video. It agrees. And throws in some other possibilities that sound plausible too. I'd still guess what I said is the dominant factor over others.

Exactly. So many fewer women focus on those things, due to social and cultural expectations, that there are fewer that develop the interest and skills/mental patterns, etc.

Why are there more women now, just as competitive with men in those fields? Because more women now have more opportunities and fewer societal, even physical (not being allowed), barriers.

 

[eman623]

The interesting question to me is, are the smartest men smarter than the smartest women, and are the dumbest men dumber than the dumbest women? In other words, even though men and women could be, on average, equally talented mentally, do men occupy more of the extremes of the bell curve?

I don't think so. In general, everyone is as smart as everyone else. They just know different things.

More women than men graduate from medical school and law school nowadays. While more men graduate with advanced STEM degrees.

Women bear and raise children, esp. at the early ages. That more than an inherent intellectual disadvantage probably explains why it's mostly men at the highest eschelons.

 

[Lisa]

I AM POSTING IN THIS THREAD.

We need many more trans threads for people who are obsessed with the genitalia of others but who arent bothered by the need to learn about the subject before they give an opinion of it.

I don't think so. In general, everyone is as smart as everyone else. They just know different things.

More women than men graduate from medical school and law school nowadays. While more men graduate with advanced STEM degrees.

Women bear and raise children, esp. at the early ages. That more than an inherent intellectual disadvantage probably explains why it's mostly men at the highest eschelons.

Don't forget patriarchal control and glass ceilings in the old boys club.

 

[reinaert]

Exactly. So many fewer women focus on those things, due to social and cultural expectations, that there are fewer that develop the interest and skills/mental patterns, etc.

Why are there more women now, just as competitive with men in those fields? Because more women now have more opportunities and fewer societal, even physical (not being allowed), barriers.

My FiL was a grumpy yankee who said dodgy shit and dragged his stroke-having carcass across a splintery deck and through mud so 'the city can't get my money'.

But, he was doing dishes, laundry, diaper changes and 'domestic' chores in the late 1940s, just back from the war, and onward.

Set a template for my wife that has only ever benefited how our sons were raised.

 

[Integrityrespec]

I got interested because of the video title, but chess is just the example he uses to enter the subject. Why aren't women as good at chess as men? What that leads to is the question, why aren't there more women at the highest level of math and science? There are a variety of theories. The two main ones are: a) lack of participation, and b) inherent differences in mental ability at the highest level. In other words, even though on average, women have the same mental abilities as men, there are more really brilliant men and more really stupid men. And then, does the same theory apply when it comes to professional sports and the dominance of African American athletes at the highest level?

The interesting question to me is, are the smartest men smarter than the smartest women, and are the dumbest men dumber than the dumbest women? In other words, even though men and women could be, on average, equally talented mentally, do men occupy more of the extremes of the bell curve?

Signed,
Sam, your humble Guardian of the Truth.

I smell a government multi billion dollar study coming.

 

[maquiscat]

Actually this is an interesting subject. As a society I think we should quit being hyper-focused about equality but rather celebrate the differences and make sure tasks are assigned to those best qualified to do them. Despite of the fact that IQ is just one number intelligence is not a one dimension thing. Skills and talents are essentially unlimited. it's a creative process to get people into what they're best able to do.

That is equality. It's not assuming that an individual woman (or whatever other criteria you might use) can't do something just because women on average can't do it.

 

[CLAX1911]

Culture and traditions make it so that MUCH FEWER women enter fields of math and science. With much smaller pool of women, it's much more likely that men end up at the top.

Not saying you're wrong but the question of whether or not this was a societal phenomenon or biological one was what the video was about.

So I'm going to ask you how do you know there's not a biological component?

As I've observed in a number of "traditional" (Republican parent) families, they encourage boys to succeed in these subjects and emphasize doing well in homework while praising girls for cleaning up well and cooking good dinners.

This seems to be a reality across a lot of cultures not just Western that women really don't compete in a higher levels of chess with men so it's hard to say that it's just traditional Christian families making this happen when we're talking about societies that don't live that way.

Update: just watched the video. It agrees. And throws in some other possibilities that sound plausible too. I'd still guess what I said is the dominant factor over others.

So it's just a guess?

 

[Slavister]

Not saying you're wrong but the question of whether or not this was a societal phenomenon or biological one was what the video was about.

So I'm going to ask you how do you know there's not a biological component?

This seems to be a reality across a lot of cultures not just Western that women really don't compete in a higher levels of chess with men so it's hard to say that it's just traditional Christian families making this happen when we're talking about societies that don't live that way.

Most societies live that way. Most liberal western ones are breaking those old traditions.

So it's just a guess?

Yes. Just like the video.