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You guys act like you have a right to be a member of all clubs. Just sayin'..
Do you have freedom of speech when you are on your employer's time? The time your employer paid for.
I'm not qualified for a homosexuals only club. And I wouldn't want to be a member of a heterosexuals or homosexuals only club.
I'm against any discrimination that would deny any citizen constitutional right to moral conscience. .
Do you have any idea how many clubs had to give in to people demanding they change their rules? The mindset behind that kind of crap is the same mindset behind these laws.
Okay how many?
Far too many. The fact is your so called legal avenue doesn't get anyone away from people like you.
You will still demand entry into their club and you will still harass them until you get your way.
And there is a legal pathway for you discriminate as I have already pointed out.
Okay so you don't know, go figure
Would you like some cheese with your whine?
I see. Architects are engaging in expressive speech through their work, but photographers are not. When they are forced by law to celebrate an event they disapprove of, government is not unconstitutionally compelling them to engage in certain speech against their will.
Say there is a group of openly homosexual men who have a fetish for things associated with Nazism. They want to have a party, with a swastika-bedizened cake and everyone dressed in SS caps, uniforms--or at least parts of uniforms--and boots. Just to add to the fun, they want to hire Cohen, an observant Jew who is a photographer in town, to take photographs to commemorate the event. They tell him they are homosexuals and want the photos to show them in embraces and in other erotically suggestive poses. This man does the usual wedding and bar mitzvah photographs, but he also has had a number of his photos of human figures exhibited in galleries. Although Cohen does not have as low an opinion of homosexuals as of Nazis, he considers homosexuality immoral and wants no part of celebrating it in pictures. But since photographs are not a form of aesthetic expression like architecture, and because under the state law photography studios qualify as public accommodations, he cannot refuse this job. Is that what you would say?
And you are in such a mindset that those you wish to force to comply to your wishes have no legal pathways? think again. When folks think they can trash and trample the rights of others for what they think is the "right" way to proceed need to find an ounce of tolerance for others who do not agree with them and respect their rights. But that isn't what you are about.
NO,photographers may also be engaging in expressive speech.
Not when you are the clock.
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When I accept money to photograph a wedding it is a job that has to produce results. It not about artistic creative expression or freedom of speech.
I expect that is usually how it goes with wedding photography, but I also see how one could make it an artistic endeavor.
A law that forces a person to act against his religious faith is a bigoted law. Pence corrected that error with the stroke of his pen. Chalk one up for libertyWe tolerate bigots. We don't tolerate bigoted laws.
If they operate their business as a public accomodation, I do have a right to their labor.
Libertarians usually have a morally perverse concept of liberty
hate
There are laws already in place that do not permit people kicking people out of work over sexual orientation. You know as a woman I spent a good part of my working life fighting for the rights of women. Whether it be equal pay or time off during pregnancies/births. One species had to be the one to cook it in the oven for nine months. That shouldn't be held against her. Let me tell ya from experience by 11:00 AM if you didn't feed the child or pump, that breast milk would shoot across the room if it were allowed to. It is so uncomfortable, painful and embarrassing when your breasts start to leak soaking through pads and wetting your garments. My suggestions for a place for nursing moms to pump was ignored when I needed it but later on the company did provide a curtained area for moms who needed to pump during their lunch hour in the gym. In the same breath, I support religious rights. If a person finds same sex sinful they should be allowed to hold that belief whether in private or in the public square and not be forced by law to violate those beliefs. But at the same time support all citizens of this country regardless of race, gender, religion etc. the basic inalienable rights we all possess. And when you deny a man the right to his moral conscience you are stepping on his liberties.i am not against the rights of any religious person to worship. i am against the practice of using that faith to discriminate against others in a place of business. in other words, i don't want businesses kicking my gay friends or relatives out. that is too close to what routinely happened to non-white races before the civil rights movement, and it makes my state look bad. it has the potential to have a significantly negative economic impact, too, and i work here.
Just for the record, the Constitution guarantees the free exercise of religion, not simply the freedom to worshipi am not against the rights of any religious person to worship. i am against the practice of using that faith to discriminate against others in a place of business. in other words, i don't want businesses kicking my gay friends or relatives out. that is too close to what routinely happened to non-white races before the civil rights movement, and it makes my state look bad. it has the potential to have a significantly negative economic impact, too, and i work here.
There are laws already in place that do not permit people kicking people out of work over sexual orientation. You know as a woman I spent a good part of my working life fighting for the rights of women. Whether it be equal pay or time off during pregnancies/births. One species had to be the one to cook it in the oven for nine months. That shouldn't be held against her. Let me tell ya from experience by 11:00 AM if you didn't feed the child or pump, that breast milk would shoot across the room if it were allowed to. It is so uncomfortable, painful and embarrassing when your breasts start to leak soaking through pads and wetting your garments. My suggestions for a place for nursing moms to pump was ignored when I needed it but later on the company did provide a curtained area for moms who needed to pump during their lunch hour in the gym. In the same breath, I support religious rights. If a person finds same sex sinful they should be allowed to hold that belief whether in private or in the public square and not be forced by law to violate those beliefs. But at the same time support all citizens of this country regardless of race, gender, religion etc. the basic inalienable rights we all possess. And when you deny a man the right to his moral conscience you are stepping on his liberties.
A law that forces a person to act against his religious faith is a bigoted law. Pence corrected that error with the stroke of his pen. Chalk one up for liberty
Slave owners had the right to the labor of others as well. Didn't make it right
Just for the record, the Constitution guarantees the free exercise of religion, not simply the freedom to worship
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