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Hate is a great powerful tool. It unifies the GOP base. The GOP base hates gays more then they are willing to vote for their own interests. And that's exactly how the anti-gay Republican politicians like it.
This thread isn't about bedroom practices, but business practices. Please stay on topic.
Yes that was sort of my point. I don't want to know who someone else loves. I don't want to know that someone else doesn't approve of who I love. I don't want to know I think everyone should keep this **** to themselves. I don't care what a business owner thinks of John & Jim if I'm going to him to bake me a cake. I only care that he's clean, his ingredients are fresh, and he washed his hands before he made my cake. I don't think John & Jim should care about what the baker thinks of them. I don't think the baker should think of them and what they do in their private time. This isn't the ****ing middle ages where adults made decisions on who married who.
How the hell this has become such a rabidly angry issue on both sides is beyond me. I don't care who loves who any more than I cared about who approved of my choice of husband or didn't approve, as the case may be.
I don't care if you're gay, Eskimo, left-handed and work as a prosthodontist. If you're in the minority and the majority has taken it upon themselves to discriminate against you you'll be marginalized.
Yes but we aren't talking about being gay. We're talking about businesses rejecting gay customers. You are off topic.Being gay isn't a business practice. Being gay has to do with love and sex. I'm on topic. :roll:
Yes but we aren't talking about being gay. We're talking about businesses rejecting gay customers. You are off topic.
I love that you are annyed by two inventions of your imagination
Youll have to ask the people you speak of, i don't know anybody like that or any situation like that
I know lots of lifelong Republicans. I know lots of Republicans active in politics, including Republican politicians. I don't know anyone who hates gays. I've voted for the Republican candidate in every single POTUS election since 1980. I don't hate gays. My husband is a Republican, and he doesn't hate gays.
Yeah, it couldn't be something I picked up by talking to them or anything.
1.)So aren't you a black man?
2.)Why do you support these laws?
great, and I agree.
but it really comes down to speech. people boycott a place as a form of speech. why can't that speech cut both ways?
1.)Yes I am
2.) what laws? the ones you claim that exists do not
your question was "Why would minorities desire to impose their will on businesses if they didn't get anything from it?"
I dont fit that mold or know anybody who does
No, you are stretching.Your Orwellian doublespeak just strengthens my point
“They have the right to do what you tell them to do.”
"no shirt, no shoes, no service"
that is a form of discrimination. they clearly have the right to discriminate.
This is america, we don't allow discrimination. You want to live in a theocracy, there are plenty of miserable places you can move to.
Why do you believe businesses must serve people?
Did that leap hurt?So if my boss sent me to you because you're who he has an account with, you really think I have a right to go somewhere else and spend his money?
That's a very strange opinion you have their.
For profit "membership clubs" are typically not except from Public Accommodation laws. To be exempt they have to be: Not-for-Profit, have bylaws and criteria, have a restrictive membership relative to the statement membership, and be governed by an elected board of the members.
Nobody would think that Costco, Sam's Club, and BJ's Warehouse would be exempt from Pubic Accommodation laws even though people pay a membership fee to join.
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"But should a hospital be allowed to decline treatment to a gay patient?" and other hypotheticals like that.
So? What's wrong with discrimination?Depends.
If they need to close the store for say a death in the family, no. If they refuse to serve someone because they have red hair, yes. Plain and simple, it's discrimination.
Every time this comes up though it's the Republicans. It's the Republican politicians in the red states.
I don't know what to tell you. There's a pattern.
Actually what they are saying is that if a customer wants to refuse a business transaction based upon the business owner's race, gender, creed, sexuality, etc then they may do so, but the business owner cannot do the same in return. Sounds like you favor discrimination in one direction but not the other.
The government can do a lot of things.... Doesn't mean they should.Govt can regulate business. I know you don't like that but we don't live in the libertarian dictatorship
Real personal experience, not a leap. My boss allowed concealed carry at work, he sent me to a major store to use the company account to buy materials, and that store sent me out because an employee noticed my gun printing. Now you're saying I have some right to go somewhere else, but no, I don't. It's not my money I'm spending. By turning me out that supplier was harming my ability to work and my employer's ability to work.Did that leap hurt?
If I recall correctly, it was the black voters who passed Proposition 8 in the blue state of California. They aren't Republicans.
I also don't recall anything in the Republican platform about denying service to gay people. And I also recall earlier in this month when 300+ Republican lawmakers publicly appealed to SCOTUS to recognize same sex marriage nationally.
Mike Pence doesn't speak for the RNC or the Republican base. Nor do his actions indicate that Republicans "hate gays". He's doing what he thinks is best for his state and to ensure that the religious people in his state aren't forced into commerce against their will.
Ah, but when only a minority portion of the majority take it upon themselves to discriminate against a minority, the what? Especially when most of that majority does not engage in such discrimination?
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