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Style, noise, and feelings over the facts of the matter and pro-left propaganda spread far and wide in over-coverage in the news BLSM.
Textbook libbo operation!
Simpleχity;1064484835 said:That law was originally passed to protect religious minorities ... like Native Americans smoking peyote in a religious ceremony. LGBT wasn't even on the scene then.
But this originally noble legislation is being manipulated 20 years later for totally different effects.
Hobby lobby and hands up dont shoot come to mind.
This is merely the latest example, and while more important issues, like the Iran talks are going on (and failing).
Define bigotry. A dictionary definition please, not what you want it to be. Then explain how me not baking a cake for a gay wedding is bigotry.
GLADLY! you know i have already dont this in some of these threads right?
i would never use my own version because that would be mentally retarded, i use the facts and actual defintion thats why your claim failed
Bigot - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Bigot
: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
treating them different and not making them a cake based on thier own prejudice and opinions of gay people (a group) who they feel through thier intolerance are not equal to them, not good enough for marriage and lessers so thier rights (or the law) dont matter
like i said by definition they are bigots and its bigotry
also notice that the definition of bigotry doesnt mention exemptions. Religion, conscience and feelings dont change the fact its bigotry
im a chrisitian myself and if i denied service to gays or a service based on it being a gay that i give to others that would in fact make me a bigot :shrug:
facts win again
Me not baking you a cake for your gay wedding is not an example of me treating you with hatred or intolerance. I neither hate you nor am I intolerant of you. I just don't wish to lend my services to an event that my conscience disapproves of. So it isn't bigotry any more than me not baking a cake for a party at planned parenthood would be.
It wasn't that long ago, the 1990's-the same era that Bill Clinton passed the defense of marriage act. But this merely illustrates the law of unintended consequences-which is one reason power should be diffuse and laws should be minimized.
Defense of Marriage Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I thought you supposed to be smart and all.
You don't know that Presidents don't pass laws?
I thought you supposed to be smart and all.
You don't know that Presidents don't pass laws?
1.)Me not baking you a cake for your gay wedding is not an example of me treating you with hatred or intolerance.
2.) I neither hate you nor am I intolerant of you.
3.) I just don't wish to lend my services to an event that my conscience disapproves of.
4.) So it isn't bigotry any more than me not baking a cake for a party at planned parenthood would be.
Funding is another issue-its legal and I would be amazed to find out that the pro-SSM crowd isn't pouring funding into Indiana.
However, it was a proposition voted on by voters. Voters who have to be state residents. The prop passed because of the voters, not because of funding.
You are intolerant of gay christians that want to marry.
Surely you are not so naive as to believe that funding doesn't play a major role in US elections? Prop 8 passed because of a very expensive and deceptive propoganda campaign that was financed almost entirely by Mormons.
Opposing gay marriage is not in and of itself an example of intolerance. So you are wrong. But what else is new. The rest of your post is just your usual childish gibberish.1.) yes it is a definition of intolerance, again by definition
Opposing gay marriage is not in and of itself an example of intolerance. So you are wrong. But what else is new. The rest of your post is just your usual childish gibberish.
And FYI: DOMA was passed by a veto proof majority - which threatened to override, and pushed by the conservatives. So it would have been law no matter what he did.
He *should not* have signed it - and regrets he did...some saw it as a stop gap measure - as it was in direct response to a Hawaii 1993 ruling in favor of same sex marriage, and other states feared it could happen in their states.
As it turned out - DOMA actually encouraged more litigation, pushed what *might* have taken SSM proponents a bit longer - to achieve what we have today, 3/4 of the country legally able to marry -- and soon a SCOTUS ruling likely in favor -- for something no one could have imagined would have happened so quick.
DOMA! - unintended consequently - helped push it along.
Thanks Unconstitutional D o Ma!
Opposing gay marriage is not in and of itself an example of intolerance. So you are wrong. But what else is new. The rest of your post is just your usual childish gibberish.
Many voters admit to being taken in by the rhetoric of ads for Obama.
Those are the rules, you can't play by them until it doesn't suit you.
Hence the lolz about the butthurt.
When the left uses the govt to coerce everyone, its "progress".
When the left isn't happy with the result of govt actions, its time to shriek.
You have to see how silly that looks.
I would say it is a great example of intolerance AND moralism
There's a difference between voting for a person based on lies and voting to restrict access to government rights, benefits, recognition for a relationship based on lies.
But since such a restriction violates the Equal Protection Clause (as I'm almost certain the SCOTUS will rule as well in a few months), it doesn't matter. As was demonstrated by the California case, you can't win if you can't show how you are harmed if a law isn't in place but someone else is harmed by the law.
Bill not only signed it into law, he bragged about it in election commercials during the 98 midterms. He also implemented dont ask dont tell, all on his own. Don't ask, don't tell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I dont see the left calling him a bigot, wonder why?
1._Opposing gay marriage is not in and of itself an example of intolerance.
2.) So you are wrong. But what else is new.
3.) The rest of your post is just your usual childish gibberish.
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