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So African Americans could be denied service at a restaurant?
The only laws to protect anyone from discrimination should be those that restrict what government entities can do
Don't recall suggesting that I do
If the attacks were "dishonest" then why does the law need to be changed? It seems like the attacks were VERY honest and that it was Pence and the rest of the bigots who were being dishonest....got caught....and are now realizing that they got caught.
Seriously...if they were being honest about the intent of the law and what the law in fact does....why would they need to change it?
Yes...you do. You conveeeeeeniently forget that part about NOT committing the sinful act.I have no problem accepting ALL of the teachings of Christ. I have studied the man and know him well. Look back at your posts. It is YOU who have attempted to pidgeonhole one aspect of Christ (dealing with prostitutes) while denying all of his other teachings. Perhaps it is because you don't know much about the teachings of the man. Perhaps you are simply spouting off something that you read in someone elses posts and are trying to pass yourself off with someone who has knowledge. If so, you have failed rather sadly. I will happily discuss the entirety of the life and teachings of Jesus Christ any time you like. It doesn't take much of an understanding of the man and his teachings to know how he would view those who seek to use his name in vain to justify discrimination. You can continue to believe whatever you like....but it will never change what the man taught and what he stands for. I have never said that "Sinful behavior has changed with times" . If you can comprehend the context of the statement you are referencing, I was responding to your claim that voters have rejected gay marriage. True...they have....decades ago. Look at the course of public opinion over the last five years. Support for gay marriage has not only grown over the last five years it has grown exponentially...to the point that large majorities now favor marriage equality, which is why those desperately clinging to the hope that the SCOTUS will somehow uphold their bigoted views are soon to have those hopes dashed when marriage equality becomes the law of the land this June. This Indiana law is a new attempt by the bigots to try to find ways to retain their "right" to discriminate. They will fail as well.
Yes...you do. You conveeeeeeniently forget that part about NOT committing the sinful act.
But some of Indiana’s and the nation’s most prominent anti-gay rights groups have been among the most prominent supporters of the bill, including the American Family Association, the Family Research Council, the Indiana Family Institute and Advance America. And some advocates of the law have disagreed with Mr. Pence, saying that it could be used to defend a business’s right to deny service to gay people.
But the Indiana law has some differences from the federal law, and most of the state laws, that critics say are significant, including a provision explicitly stating that it applies to the exercise of religious beliefs by businesses as well as individuals and religious groups. The idea that a for-profit business has religious rights, and can cite them in contesting government action, was not widely considered until recently. But last year the Supreme Court upheld that principle in the case Burwell v. Hobby Lobby Stores.
Doesn't answer the question. You are just making an igorant statement.
If the attacks were LIES (as you claim)...then why would the law need to be changed? Really...think about it. If the attacks were lies, there would be no reason to change the law because the law would not do what the attacks claimed.
However...on the otherhand, if the attacks were TRUTHFUL and it was Pence and the other bigots who were the liars...that would explain why the law would need to be changed...because it did exactly what they claimed it didn't and did exactly what the attacks claimed that it did.
It would appear that the facts are against you here Jack........Pence is either a liar or an idiot. Which one do you think he is?
By the way Jack....linking an op-ed piece by a right-wing conservative doesn't really qualify as "proof" of your hypothesis. Just sayin.
Anyone could be denied for any reason the merchant hasSo African Americans could be denied service at a restaurant?
Do you mean as In Sermon on the Mount?Then get off your Mount.
So the attack on the law is justified by what you believe are the thoughts of those who supported it? Sorry, but that's not a standard I can support.
Not what I "believe" are the "thoughts" - what they did say, what they did put in writing, how it was sold. And it's an appeal to bigotry in the name of religious freedom, and attacking that is a standard I support.
He was caught off guard by the success of an attack based on vicious dishonesty.
Pence is acting to prevent damage to his state. He recognized political reality: liars are damaging his state. He is doing his duty and recognizing political reality. Sometimes the bad guys win.
Anyone could be denied for any reason the merchant has
OK, vicious dishonesty is BS, but what he didn't feel he could do at that time was undermine the social conservatives who are his base and tell them what they'd been told was not in fact true. Also, as has been pointed out, sexual orientation isn't protected in Indiana, he has no interest in protecting them as a group, so the law didn't protect them before and doesn't now. So he's in a bit of a bind. The law adds to the protection that was already weak in most of Indiana because of the lack of a statewide law protecting sexual orientation.
So segregation by color/race is fine with you?
He makes the right point. The liars won this round.
Doesn't make sense. If all he was doing was responding to lies....he wouldn't need to change the law now would he? The reality is....yes, he IS doing damage control because he didn't expect to incur the wrath of the American people. He is caught in the past where anti-gay politics were profitable for Republicans. You need look no further than the people surrounding him at the signing that the attacks were in fact VERY true and that he was caught lying about the incentive behind the bill and what the bill really did.
So....you have avoided the question thus far. Do you think Pence is a liar or just an idiot?
The facts don't support your claim. Sorry Jack. Once again....if the attacks were lies...then why couldn't Pence just point out the lies? Why wasn't he able to respond to the questions? Why couldn't he counter the attacks?
If the attacks were lies? then why is it required that the law be changed. The law would only need to be changed if in fact the attacks were True.
Care to respond? Or just shuffle around it again?
Did he say that? Do you understand the difference between something being legal and something being seen as acceptable?
Is there any legislator who said such things? No. You oppose the law because of who supported it, and you assume the legislators shared their views.
LOL....more like Pence thought he could pass this POS bigoted law and no one would care. He was caught completely off guard because he didn't comprehend that we are living in the 21st century and people don't support bigotry and discrimination any more. He got the wrath of the American people. There was no mischaracterization here....if THAT is what it was, then there would be no need to change the law. The fact that he is asking for the law to be changed shows that he knows his hand was caught in the cookie jar and he's realizing that he was busted.
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