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Doesn't make it any less disgusting that it's consistent with their disgusting values.
Which is disgusting, that God values all life, or that life shouldn't be taken for convenience?
The "Let's force a shattered woman to be tortured for 9 months" is a disgusting value.
The "Let's force a shattered woman to be tortured for 9 months" is a disgusting value.
I think the positions these Republicans take on these matters are based on their religious positions on Divine Providence, Free Will and Predestination. Depending on whether the speaker's faith is based on Catholic, Lutheran or Calvinistic theology their specific takes on rape will differ. The idea that a rape could be a part of God's intention, I believe, probably stems from a Calvinistic position of believing that human Free Will does not exist, what's known as a determinist philosphical position. The problem with this line of logic for those adhering to Calvinist position is that whatever happens, due to God's total perfection, omniscience and omnipotence, is his intention. So, the abortions that have and do take place are also a part of his intention too.
Catholic takes on Free Will, as best explained by Thomas Aquinas, argue that Free Will is compatible with Divine Providence, and hence, I doubt whether the strongest Catholic anti-abortionist would take the position that rape is God's intention.
That we should force a woman who has been raped to endure the pregnancy brought on by her rapist. That is wrong, period.
Why is finite suffering worth more than the life of a child?
Not wanting an innocent human being to be killed - literally for the sins of the father - is not forcing torture on anyone.
Rarely, some jerkwad who belongs in prison will force sex on someone.
Who says that the suffering is finite?
I don't think they're saying rape is Gods intention (this comes from not having read the OP at all, just the thread title), rather that God wants the life conceived, regardless of how it was conceived.
Why is finite suffering worth more than the life of a child?
YourStar did, she mentioned suffering a pregnancy, that's only 9 months.
If that's the case, then the benevolent nature of God must be questioned.
Also, the United States of America does not make policy as to what it's citizens can or cannot do based on the guesses of the whim of a supposed deity.
Except for the person who is being tortured by the pregnancy
who would have had options if not for someone else's misguided concern for the insensate life that is growing within her body.
Funny how the pro-life position always seems to forget about the woman carrying the pregnancy, her well-being, and the rights she's supposedly entitled to.
But there's still emotional trauma to the mother with that that can continue long after the pregnancy and birth.
I don't think they're saying rape is Gods intention (this comes from not having read the OP at all, just the thread title), rather that God wants the life conceived, regardless of how it was conceived.
But there's still emotional trauma to the mother with that that can continue long after the pregnancy and birth.
But there's still emotional trauma to the mother with that that can continue long after the pregnancy and birth.
Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, God intended it | Reuters
Honestly, I think it is a reasonable and somewhat consistent position, although I don't agree with it. From the standpoint of someone trying to get elected in a close race with an unusually strong Libertarian candidate to splinter the Republican vote, it was just a stupid thing to say though. If it plays anything like Todd Akin's comment did, Joe Donnelly will take the senate seat from the Republicans in Indiana. I'd pretty much given up hope for the Republicans to take the senate this year anyway. Things looking very good for the GOP in 2014 though.
Or the mother could be fine 20 minutes after the rape and lead a long and happy life with the child, so we'll stick to 9 months of actual harm, rather than a unspecified and arbitrary amount.
But there's still emotional trauma to the mother with that that can continue long after the pregnancy and birth.
Naked hyperbole
Suffice to say that I'm sure defenders of those respective status quos found challenges to them misguided as well, as hey, those folks don't count.
I have never understood how anyone gets that as a takeaway.
I also don't think you should go shoot some random person on the street. By thinking that, have I forgotten about you? Do I not care about your well-being? Have I limited your rights?
Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, God intended it | Reuters
Honestly, I think it is a reasonable and somewhat consistent position, although I don't agree with it. From the standpoint of someone trying to get elected in a close race with an unusually strong Libertarian candidate to splinter the Republican vote, it was just a stupid thing to say though. If it plays anything like Todd Akin's comment did, Joe Donnelly will take the senate seat from the Republicans in Indiana. I'd pretty much given up hope for the Republicans to take the senate this year anyway. Things looking very good for the GOP in 2014 though.
I understand that and made a mistake in my answer.
Okay, but here's a problem with the position that these speakers are taking: if the consequence of the rape is a pregnancy, and that pregnancy can be argued to be a part of God's intention, how can the rape not also have been a part of God's intention too? Calvinists believe that God ordains all things, that man has no Free Will and that all things are pre-ordained, and that God's Divine Providence is present in all actions. I've never had a Calvinist explain to me how evil actions can be removed from that Divine Providence. If a rapist is subject to that determinism too, how can evil actions be divorced from God's intention?
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