India dumps F35

[Tigerace117]

No, you were complaining that I hadn't left yet. Twice, you complained.



The plural was unnecessary except for the Rah Rah Russia story you're trying to tell. The US executed exactly one soldier for desertion in WW2.



Yeah, machine gun fire from your rear might encourage your return to the front lines.



The US had sniper units far earlier than WW2.

Yeah, because you made such a big deal about how you were leaving, and then you proved your statement to be as worthless as ever. Obviously.

The Soviets did the vast majority of the work in crushing the Nazis, and no amount of whining because America’s ever fragile ego has never been able to handle that reality can change it.

The US had tens of thousands of deserters during World War Two, actually. And the punishment was still execution— the fact most never got caught or were spared if they were doesn’t actually change that.

......Soviet barrier troops were effectively gone by the end of the first year of the war.

The US having handfuls of ad-hoc units from time to time is entirely different than having entire schools set up to deal with doctrine and training hundreds of thousands of snipers.

 

[RF667799]

Yeah, because you made such a big deal about how you were leaving, and then you proved your statement to be as worthless as ever. Obviously.

I said I was leaving, I didn't, and you've been whining about it for several posts now.

The Soviets did the vast majority of the work in crushing the Nazis, and no amount of whining because America’s ever fragile ego has never been able to handle that reality can change it.

They're such heroes of yours. Is that a T34 in your av?

The US had tens of thousands of deserters during World War Two, actually. And the punishment was still execution— the fact most never got caught or were spared if they were doesn’t actually change that.

That only one was executed shows that your claim of multiple American deserters being shot was a lie.

Or did you not know it was only one deserter?

......Soviet barrier troops were effectively gone by the end of the first year of the war.

The US having handfuls of ad-hoc units from time to time is entirely different than having entire schools set up to deal with doctrine and training hundreds of thousands of snipers.

Snipers that didn't use AK47s or submachine guns, which are what was being discussed prior to your: "Whaddabout the glorious sniper Heroes of the Soviet?"

 

[Tigerace117]

I said I was leaving, I didn't, and you've been whining about it for several posts now.





They're such heroes of yours. Is that a T34 in your av?



That only one was executed shows that your claim of multiple American deserters being shot was a lie.

Or did you not know it was only one deserter?



Snipers that didn't use AK47s or submachine guns, which are what was being discussed prior to your: "Whaddabout the glorious sniper Heroes of the Soviet?"

So yeah, you demonstrated your statements are worthless. As I already pointed out.

Awww, someone’s whining again because they don’t like having to face up to the historical facts. That’s just too damn bad, I suppose.

They issued the punishment for deserters. Only one deserter being shot doesn’t change what the punishment was. And we just established you have no room to talk about “lies”.

No amount of whining can change the fact the Soviets clearly put a large deal of emphasis on marksmanship, and were more organized and systematic about it than the US was for pretty much the entire time the USSR was a thing.

 

[Peter]

Spain has also decided not too buy the F35 in favour or more Eurofighters and entry into a 6th gen aircraft contract.

Spain Just Pulled Out of the F-35 Program

Spain's decision not to adopt the F-35 Lightning II fighter could widen its rift with the United States.

nationalinterest.org

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Here is an article on how modern AA missiles work and likely limit the need of stealth aircraft vs peer level opponents

Dog fighting seems like it will finally be a thing of the past. The plane itself is secondary to the more important requirement for better sensors and supplementary radar systems using different wavelength radar that can detect stealth aircraft ( even if it wont allow for a lock on and is just used to guide the missile to the target aircraft for lock on at later time. Given how this makes the J20 seem less useful, I expect the event to be real

We Know How China's J-20 'Mighty Dragon' Stealth Fighter Was 'Shot Down'

China claims an old J-10C jet shot down its best J-20 stealth fighter in a war game. The real story involves advanced data-sharing and reveals how China is making its entire air force more deadly.

nationalsecurityjournal.org

Chinese state media has claimed that a 4th-generation J-10C fighter “shot down” a top-tier 5th-generation J-20 stealth fighter in a recent military exercise.

-However, this was not a simple dogfight victory.
The J-10 “shot down” took place against the J-20 when the two aircraft went into a head-to-head engagement against one another. The smaller, but one-generation-older, aircraft “won” the face-off between the two, despite the larger aeroplane being the stealthier platform. This report appeared in the China Bugle, detailing the air-to-air encounter.

The details of the training exercise were released in the Friday, August 1 documentary as planned. The story on the military channel of CCTV reported details from the pilot of the J-10C on how he “shot down” the stealth aircraft. In the course of the broadcast, the channel reported the account from the pilot of the J-10C, relating his details of how he “won” against the more advanced J-20.

the J-10C pilot Xiao Nan reportedly discovered that his aircraft could no longer detect the opposing target after he launched a missile. He then requested that another friendly unit scan for any enemy aircraft, as he suspected the target he could not see might be a stealth platform. The other possibility he considered at the time was that his radar was jammed by his opponent, according to the CCTV report.

The missile he launched eventually found its target, marking that first time that a J-10C had successfully “shot down” an opposing stealth aircraft in the class of the J-20. Part of what made this intercept successful was that the pilot was able to utilize a variant on dependent targeting. This maneuver involves using off-board sensors to provide information or detect changes in a target and then transmitting this information to the shooter via datalink.

 

[Luce]

The US had sniper units far earlier than WW2.

You are arguing with a religious fixation.

Let me know how it goes.

 

[Luce]

Spain has also decided not too buy the F35 in favour or more Eurofighters and entry into a 6th gen aircraft contract.

Spain Just Pulled Out of the F-35 Program

Spain's decision not to adopt the F-35 Lightning II fighter could widen its rift with the United States.

nationalinterest.org

Well, yes. Trump was blathering about downgrading the aircraft, and nobody trusts the administration.

So they're going to buy Eurofighters.

 

[Oozlefinch]

The ones that are used to take out other drones, or helicopters. Do you need me to find you videos?

So you make a claim, yet can not name any. Not surprised.

 

[Oozlefinch]

You are arguing with a religious fixation.

That is a fact, not sure why you are pretending otherwise.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Official Iranian statement:
"Yeah bro you totally destroyed our nuclear program. Nothing to see here".

And also almost completely devastated their "top of the line" air defense systems from both Russia and China.

Funny how you seem to be completely forgetting that.

Funny how you keep trying to drag up politics, and completely missing a rather critical fact.



Combine the complete failure of Iranian air defenses to strike a single target, and at the same time not a single one of their missiles struck their retaliatory target at Al-Udeid in Qatar, and what you have is a double failure.

 

[Oozlefinch]

How many F35s were shot down?

How many anti aircraft systems were destroyed? The suppression side of the mission was perfect.

Iran claimed they shot down many of them, but the photos they showed were of another aircraft and published previously. And they deny any AA systems were destroyed, but most estimates place it at around 120 Iranian air defense systems were destroyed.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Here is an article on how modern AA missiles work and likely limit the need of stealth aircraft vs peer level opponents

Dog fighting seems like it will finally be a thing of the past. The plane itself is secondary to the more important requirement for better sensors and supplementary radar systems using different wavelength radar that can detect stealth aircraft ( even if it wont allow for a lock on and is just used to guide the missile to the target aircraft for lock on at later time. Given how this makes the J20 seem less useful, I expect the event to be real

We Know How China's J-20 'Mighty Dragon' Stealth Fighter Was 'Shot Down'

China claims an old J-10C jet shot down its best J-20 stealth fighter in a war game. The real story involves advanced data-sharing and reveals how China is making its entire air force more deadly.

nationalsecurityjournal.org

You know, they have been saying that since WWII. And no matter how advanced things become, it never seems to happen.

The last dogfight the US was involved in was in 2017, and I see absolutely no reason to think they will not continue to happen.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

You know, they have been saying that since WWII. And no matter how advanced things become, it never seems to happen.

The last dogfight the US was involved in was in 2017, and I see absolutely no reason to think they will not continue to happen.

Will they occur sure, will they be as regular as they occurred in the past no

 

[ASHES]

So you make a claim, yet can not name any. Not surprised.

You made the claim. I asked a clarifying question you never answered.

 

[Oozlefinch]

You made the claim. I asked a clarifying question you never answered.

*you* are the one that claimed there are anti-air drones, not me. And when challenged to name one, you now spin in circles, avoid answering and try to turn it back on me.

So got it, you simply made that up, and are trying to hide the fact it only exists in your mind.