Incredible Bias in all western media - it will end soon

[zyzygy]

...and it's no different in this thread: the OP makes asinine assertions without evidence and responds to sceptics with personal attacks.

T'was ever thus.

 

[zyzygy]

In 2002 President Bush had appointed a commission to look into the September 11 attacks, and two years later it issued its final report. The commission found that the key pre-September 11 failure at the CIA was its not adding to the State Department’s “watch list” two of the “muscle” hijackers (who were trained to restrain the passengers on the plane), the suspected al-Qaeda militants Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar. The CIA had been tracking Hazmi and Mihdhar since they attended a terrorist summit meeting in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, on January 5, 2000. The failure to watch-list the two al-Qaeda suspects with the Department of State meant that they entered the United States under their real names with ease. On January 15, 2000, 10 days after the Malaysian meeting, Hazmi and Mihdhar flew into Los Angeles. The CIA also did not alert the FBI about the identities of the suspected terrorists, which could have helped the bureau locate them once they were inside the United States. According to the commission, this was the failure of not just a few employees at the CIA but a large number of CIA officers and analysts. Some 50 to 60 CIA employees read cables about the two al-Qaeda suspects without taking any action. Some of those officers knew that one of the al-Qaeda suspects had a visa for the United States, and by May 2001 some knew that the other suspect had flown to Los Angeles.

The soon-to-be hijackers would not have been difficult to find in California if their names had been known to law enforcement. Under their real names they rented an apartment, obtained driver’s licenses, opened bank accounts, purchased a car, and took flight lessons at a local school; Mihdhar even listed his name in the local phone directory.

It was only on August 24, 2001, as a result of questions raised by a CIA officer on assignment at the FBI, that the two al-Qaeda suspects were watch-listed and their names communicated to the FBI. Even then the FBI sent out only a “Routine” notice requesting an investigation of Mihdhar. A few weeks later Hazmi and Mihdhar were two of the hijackers on the American Airlines flight that plunged into the Pentagon.

The CIA inspector general concluded that "informing the FBI and good operational follow-through by CIA and FBI might have resulted in surveillance of both al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi. Surveillance, in turn, would have had the potential to yield information on flight training, financing, and links to others who were complicit in the 9/11 attacks."

The key failure at the FBI was the handling of the Zacarias Moussaoui case. Moussaoui, a French citizen of Moroccan descent, was attending flight school in the summer of 2001 in Minnesota, where he attracted attention from instructors because he had little knowledge of flying and did not behave like a typical aviation student. The flight school contacted the FBI, and on August 16 Moussaoui was arrested on a visa overstay charge. Although Moussaoui was not the "20th hijacker," as was widely reported later, he had received money from one of the September 11 coordinators, Ramzi Binalshibh, and by his own account was going to take part in a second wave of al-Qaeda attacks following the assaults on New York and Washington.

The FBI agent in Minneapolis who handled Moussaoui’s case believed that he might have been planning to hijack a plane, and the agent was also concerned that Moussaoui had traveled to Pakistan, which was a red flag as militants often used the country as a transit point to travel to terrorist training camps in Afghanistan. On August 23 (or 24, according to some reports) CIA director George Tenet was told about the case in a briefing titled "Islamic Extremist Learns to Fly." But FBI headquarters determined that there was not sufficient "probable cause" of a crime for the Minneapolis office to conduct a search of Moussaoui’s computer hard drive and belongings. Such a search would have turned up his connection to Binalshibh, according to Republican Sen. Charles Grassley, a leading member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, which has oversight of the FBI. The 9-11 Commission also concluded that “a maximum U.S. effort to investigate Moussaoui conceivably could have unearthed his connection to Binalshibh.”

It's now incumbent upon you to prove to me otherwise.

No such proof will be forthcoming. Expect another insult.

 

[Maccabee]

You could but it would just be more of your uninformed opinions like the "aluminum exploding and bringing down the towers" article.

One would think that one who obviously knows so little would attempt to ask questions or read knowledgeable sources to inform.

On a scale of 1 to 100, do you know the likelihood of the NIST report being accurate on how WTC7 came down?

I rate it about 80-90% accurate. Nobody can be 100% correct.

 

[ralphcdp]

Originally Posted by ralphcdp
On a scale of 1 to 100, do you know the likelihood of the NIST report being accurate on how WTC7 came down?

I rate it about 80-90% accurate. Nobody can be 100% correct.

You are 90% off.

Leroy Hulsey: Zero Chance Fire Collapsed WTC7

 

[mike2810]

"What we have hear is a failure to communicate.".

One side uses specialists know to be paid for or aligned with AE911T and other such groups. One the other side are specialists who were involved with the 9/11 investigation or supplement research.

Still waiting for Hulsey's report. Seems Mark Basile promised a dust analysis over 5 years ago and has gone quite.

Even Hulsey's model makes assumptions he cannot prove.

 

[NWO_Spook]

Originally Posted by ralphcdp
On a scale of 1 to 100, do you know the likelihood of the NIST report being accurate on how WTC7 came down?

You are 90% off.

Leroy Hulsey: Zero Chance Fire Collapsed WTC7

Has Hulsey produced his paper yet? Does he explain how the 'explosives' survived the fires?

 

[NWO_Spook]

"What we have hear is a failure to communicate.".

One side uses specialists know to be paid for or aligned with AE911T and other such groups. One the other side are specialists who were involved with the 9/11 investigation or supplement research.

Still waiting for Hulsey's report. Seems Mark Basile promised a dust analysis over 5 years ago and has gone quite.

Even Hulsey's model makes assumptions he cannot prove.

It seems odd that the study was incomplete before his results were announced. Even if Hulsey's FEA proves the NIST wrong, which I doubt, how will it support the CD hypothesis, which is obviously fraught with problems?

With the study being partially funded by Gage, I wonder if he has actually presented a "scenario" that could be entered into a FEA as input data?

I would dearly love to examine it if he did.

 

[Thoreau72]

"What we have hear is a failure to communicate.".

One side uses specialists know to be paid for or aligned with AE911T and other such groups. One the other side are specialists who were involved with the 9/11 investigation or supplement research.

Still waiting for Hulsey's report. Seems Mark Basile promised a dust analysis over 5 years ago and has gone quite.

Even Hulsey's model makes assumptions he cannot prove.

No Mike, we don't have a failure to communicate. That was Cool Hand Luke.

What we have here is a failure to recognize reality and a failure to be honest with oneself and others.

We have a failure to understand the laws of physics as we humans know them.

And a failure to acknowledge that power corrupts and that bad humans exist.

Many failures, for sure, but failure to communicate is not one of them.

 

[mike2810]

No Mike, we don't have a failure to communicate. That was Cool Hand Luke.

What we have here is a failure to recognize reality and a failure to be honest with oneself and others.

We have a failure to understand the laws of physics as we humans know them.

And a failure to acknowledge that power corrupts and that bad humans exist.

Many failures, for sure, but failure to communicate is not one of them.

Yes the quote is from Cool Hand Luke. Good movie.

All that you posted indicates that a communication problem exists.

It is a communication problem of understanding the physics as they apply to known facts and evidence.

It is a communication problem in understanding the science used to analysis the evidence. Prager says the science indicates it was mini neutron bombs that took the towers down. Gage (AE011T) says the science indicates it was nanothermite and no nukes. Prager and Gage could not agree so Prager left AE911T. Communication is one reason that the alternative explanation groups cannot agree.

It is failure to communicate when posters refuse to answer questions. Instead they reply with insults. So , yes, we have a communication problem.

As far as 911. There are technical experts who cannot agree on what happened or how the towers failed. Each have their own agenda. You believe what you have come to accept what happened. So do I accept what I believe happened.

 

[Thoreau72]

Yes the quote is from Cool Hand Luke. Good movie.

All that you posted does prove their is a communication problem.
It is a communication problem of understanding the physics as they apply to known facts and evidence.

It is a communication problem in understanding the science used to analysis the evidence. Prager says the science indicates it was mini neutron bombs that took the towers down. Gage (AE011T) says the science indicates it was nanothermite and no nukes. Prager and Gage could not agree so Prager left AE911T.

It is failure to communicate when posters refuse to answer questions. Instead they reply with insults. So , yes, we have a communication problem.

It is a failure to communicate (and more) when posters cannot formulate intelligent questions, and a failure of honesty (or memory) when they ask questions that have been asked and answered many times before.

 

[mike2810]

It is a failure to communicate (and more) when posters cannot formulate intelligent questions, and a failure of honesty (or memory) when they ask questions that have been asked and answered many times before.

Or the reader not capable of understanding the request. Same old dodge HD

 

[ralphcdp]

Has Hulsey produced his paper yet? Does he explain how the 'explosives' survived the fires?

I thought metabunkers were up on events. The paper is coming out soon. The study was done very carefully, checking and rechecking, giving the goofy NIST study every opportunity. NIST's "new phenomena" is, as you well know, total bull****. It doesn't reflect reality, it is a fraud beginning to end as was their twin towers total NON study.

Still the no evidence metabunker crowd persists in their grand delusions.

 

[NWO_Spook]

I thought metabunkers were up on events.

It was a rhetorical question obviously. A little secret: I have been following the progress at ISF.

The paper is coming out soon.

Yes, I've heard that before on numerous occasions. I remain sceptical and will do so until I've actually read the paper.

The study was done very carefully, checking and rechecking, giving the goofy NIST study every opportunity.

So you assert. Why should believe that when it was funded by vested interests? I want to see the scenarios they used for the input of their Finite Element Analysis before I give your claim any weight.

NIST's "new phenomena" is, as you well know, total bull****. It doesn't reflect reality, it is a fraud beginning to end as was their twin towers total NON study.

So, you keep asserting without a shred of evidence. Don't be offended if I continue to ignore such baseless claims, but I reach conclusions based upon the evaluation of evidence, not by just giving credence to mere assertions.

Still the no evidence metabunker crowd persists in their grand delusions.

That's somewhat ironic in light of your continued employment of biased assertions without evidence. Are ad hominem attacks the limit of your ability in a debate environment?

Now do you think you could answer the question you ignored? That is, how did the explosives survive the fires?

 

[NWO_Spook]

It is a failure to communicate (and more) when posters cannot formulate intelligent questions, and a failure of honesty (or memory) when they ask questions that have been asked and answered many times before.

Here is an intelligent question that has never been answered ~ a question that every truther completely ignores:

How did the explosives survive the fires?

I await your evasive response (if at all).

 

[zyzygy]

Perhaps our truthers would like to discuss some of the points raised here?

FAQs - NIST WTC Towers Investigation | NIST

 

[NWO_Spook]

Perhaps our truthers would like to discuss some of the points raised here?

FAQs - NIST WTC Towers Investigation | NIST

It has become awfully quiet in here....

 

[Quag]

Here is an intelligent question that has never been answered ~ a question that every truther completely ignores:

How did the explosives survive the fires?

I await your evasive response (if at all).

I want to know how the explosion of radioactive mini-nukes in the basements that didnt actually explode or emit any radiation caused the buildings to collapse starting at the points of impact many stories above ground

Yes our resident "flight instructor" has actually made all those claims

 

[zyzygy]

FAQs - NIST WTC Towers Investigation | NIST

Well, truthers?

 

[TheParser]

We have all been living for almost two decades with the most vicious of lies being passed on and passed off daily by US/UK/Canadian/western media and I use that term, 'media' lightly.

YES, the Western media are, indeed, unreliable.

BUT what is a fellow to do? The media in other parts of the world are even worse.


I agree with some "experts" who advise that we NOT keep up on the news. It only makes one angry and nervous.


Those "experts" suggest that we spend our time reading long-form articles or books on some topic that interests us.


Some experts feel that we just suffer from indigestion when we expose ourselves to snippets of unrelated news articles or watch "breaking news" on TV.


Sometimes ignorance IS bliss.

 

[Thoreau72]

Here is an intelligent question that has never been answered ~ a question that every truther completely ignores:

How did the explosives survive the fires?

I await your evasive response (if at all).

May I ask which explosives survived the fires, or is that too pointed?

 

[mike2810]

May I ask which explosives survived the fires, or is that too pointed?

The ones you claim where used to take down the towers. How did they survive the fires?

 

[Quag]

The ones you claim where used to take down the towers. How did they survive the fires?

HD already told us, they were in the basement away form the fires. Better question is how did they cause the buildings to collapse from the points of impact several stories above ground
Although I think his claims that they exploded and didnt explode while emitting and not emitting radiation kinda lends itself to questions as well.

 

[zyzygy]

HD already told us, they were in the basement away form the fires. Better question is how did they cause the buildings to collapse from the points of impact several stories above ground
Although I think his claims that they exploded and didnt explode while emitting and not emitting radiation kinda lends itself to questions as well.

Yes, there is a problem there.

 

[mike2810]

HD already told us, they were in the basement away form the fires. Better question is how did they cause the buildings to collapse from the points of impact several stories above ground
Although I think his claims that they exploded and didnt explode while emitting and not emitting radiation kinda lends itself to questions as well.

If they were in the basement, how does that explain the alleged squibs in the upper floors.

The whole CD explanations are so full of inconsistencies. If Jeff Prager is to believed he insists the mini nukes were on multiple upper floors. So did Jeff lie? Gage, Jones says no nukes were used. They allege explosives on the upper floors for the towers. Did they lie?

 

[NWO_Spook]

I want to know how the explosion of radioactive mini-nukes in the basements that didnt actually explode or emit any radiation caused the buildings to collapse starting at the points of impact many stories above ground

Yes our resident "flight instructor" has actually made all those claims

LOLOL, yes, I've heard that one and the evidence for it is simply that the Janitor heard an explosion. Others have claimed that explosives were employed in the basement in order to weaken the structure so it would collapse, yet the collapses started at the impact points.

These theories are poorly thought out.