Incredible Bias in all western media - it will end soon

[ralphcdp]

Got any links to support what you just said?

Sure, where would you like to start?

 

[ralphcdp]

I'm not the one claiming that millions of everyday people managed to pull an inside job and keep quiet about it.

You would have to be knowledgeable about the evidence/science/... to know anything about that.

Daniel Ellsberg: “Secrets ... Can Be Kept Reliably ... For Decades … Even Though They Are Known to THOUSANDS of Insiders”

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Can't Hide It

Those accusing Goldman Sachs, Dick Cheney or some other powerful people of conspiring to enrich their interests are often met with the argument that "someone would have spilled the beans" if there had really been a conspiracy.

But famed whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg explains:

It is a commonplace that "you can't keep secrets in Washington" or "in a democracy, no matter how sensitive the secret, you're likely to read it the next day in the New York Times." These truisms are flatly false. They are in fact cover stories, ways of flattering and misleading journalists and their readers, part of the process of keeping secrets well. Of course eventually many secrets do get out that wouldn't in a fully totalitarian society. But the fact is that the overwhelming majority of secrets do not leak to the American public. This is true even when the information withheld is well known to an enemy and when it is clearly essential to the functioning of the congressional war power and to any democratic control of foreign policy. The reality unknown to the public and to most members of Congress and the press is that secrets that would be of the greatest import to many of them can be kept from them reliably for decades by the executive branch, even though they are known to thousands of insiders.

History proves Ellsberg right. For example:

One hundred and thirty thousand (130,000) people from the U.S., UK and Canada worked on the Manhattan Project. But it was kept secret for years
A BBC documentary shows that:
There was "a planned coup in the USA in 1933 by a group of right-wing American businessmen . . . . The coup was aimed at toppling President Franklin D Roosevelt with the help of half-a-million war veterans. The plotters, who were alleged to involve some of the most famous families in America, (owners of Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea, Maxwell Hse & George Bush’s Grandfather, Prescott) believed that their country should adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression"
Moreover, "the tycoons told General Butler the American people would accept the new government because they controlled all the newspapers." Have you ever heard of this conspiracy before? It was certainly a very large one. And if the conspirators controlled the newspapers then, how much worse is it today with media consolidation?

7 out of the 8 giant, money center banks went bankrupt in the 1980's during the "Latin American Crisis", and the government's response was to cover up their insolvency. That's a cover up lasting several decades
The government's spying on Americans began before 9/11 (confirmed here and here. And see this.) But the public didn't learn about it until many years later. Indeed, the the New York Times delayed the story so that it would not affect the outcome of the 2004 presidential election
The decision to launch the Iraq war was made before 9/11. Indeed, former CIA director George Tenet said that the White House wanted to invade Iraq long before 9/11, and inserted "crap" in its justifications for invading Iraq. Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill - who sat on the National Security Council - also says that Bush planned the Iraq war before 9/11. And top British officials say that the U.S. discussed Iraq regime change one month after Bush took office. Dick Cheney apparently even made Iraqi's oil fields a national security priority before 9/11. And it has now been shown that a handful of people were responsible for willfully ignoring the evidence that Iraq lacked weapons of mass destruction. These facts have only been publicly disclosed recently
These examples show that it is possible to keep conspiracies secret for a long time, without anyone "spilling the beans".

Discipline

To anyone who knows how covert military operations work, it is obvious that segmentation on a "need-to-know basis", along with deference to command hierarchy, means that a couple of top dogs can call the shots and most people helping won't even know the big picture.

Moreover, those who think that co-conspirators will brag about their deeds are forget that people in the military or intelligence or who have huge sums of money on the line can be very disciplined. They are not likely to go to the bar and spill the beans like a down-on-their-luck, second-rate alcoholic robber might do.

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Daniel Ellsberg: “Secrets ... Can Be Kept Reliably ... For Decades … Even Though They Are Known to THOUSANDS of Insiders” | 911Blogger.com

 

[Thoreau72]

Then please find one post I've made to validate your accusation

I have better things to do. The lawn needs mowing.

 

[Quag]

I have better things to do. The lawn needs mowing.

Translation: I cant so Ill run away

 

[ralphcdp]

Translation: I cant so Ill run away

Still trying lamely to support the murderous US government of Bush/Cheney, are you, all without ever giving any evidence. metabunkers are such lame folks. Why would you support the murderers who you know full well are the murderers? That must be your "patriotism", right?

 

[Maccabee]

Sure, where would you like to start?

Your first claim.

 

[Maccabee]

You would have to be knowledgeable about the evidence/science/... to know anything about that.

Projects like the Manhattan project is not on the same scale. With the Manhattan Project, you have qualified professionals to work on the project and the vast majority of them never even knew what they were working on. That's a whole lot different than a bunch of average joes with nothing to gain to keep a secret. Conversely, we have Navy SEALs, whose job description is keeping secrects, writing about the riad on Bin Laden before they were cleared to do so. Going back to the Manhattan Project, they didn't kept it secret forever.

 

[Maccabee]

I have better things to do. The lawn needs mowing.

So you make an accusation but can't be bothered to provide evidence for it. I see.

 

[ralphcdp]

Projects like the Manhattan project is not on the same scale. With the Manhattan Project, you have qualified professionals to work on the project and the vast majority of them never even knew what they were working on. That's a whole lot different than a bunch of average joes with nothing to gain to keep a secret. Conversely, we have Navy SEALs, whose job description is keeping secrects, writing about the riad on Bin Laden before they were cleared to do so. Going back to the Manhattan Project, they didn't kept it secret forever.

Sorry, no offense intended but you don't come close to Daniel Ellsberg for knowledge or commentary.

 

[ralphcdp]

Your first claim.

It will be much shorter/easier on you if you go with evidence for the US goverenments' story because there isn't any.

 

[zyzygy]

So you make an accusation but can't be bothered to provide evidence for it. I see.

What do you expect? He has been here for years and has yet to present a shred of evidence. He is a joke.

 

[mike2810]

It is the same old mantra from "them". They claim their is no evidence to support any of the official report. At the same time they state it was controlled demolition. When asked for evidence, they present none.

It is past time the CD supporters prove their explanations.

 

[ralphcdp]

It is the same old mantra from "them". They claim their is no evidence to support any of the official report. At the same time they state it was controlled demolition. When asked for evidence, they present none.

It is past time the CD supporters prove their explanations.

To a bunch of metabunkers, you have to be kidding. Go ask ole mickey for some evidence. Neither he nor any other no name metabunkers have ever offered any evidence. It still shocks me no end how these kinds of people can offer support for the people who murdered their own, condemned 3000 firemen and first responders to a life of cancer and other ugly diseases while they collect pensions and vast sums they stole from Iraq and Afghanistan, Libya and Syria.

Can any of you metabunkers provide any names of any professionals who support the lying US governments' silly story?

 

[Casper]

The title says it all. We have all been living for almost two decades with the most vicious of lies being passed on and passed off daily by US/UK/Canadian/western media and I use that term, 'media' lightly. We have the latest US/UK/western caused massacre in New Zealand all caused by the lies of western governments/western media.

Get used to it and do your own research. Pssr, non-western media is as bad if not far worse.

 

[mike2810]

To a bunch of metabunkers, you have to be kidding. Go ask ole mickey for some evidence. Neither he nor any other no name metabunkers have ever offered any evidence. It still shocks me no end how these kinds of people can offer support for the people who murdered their own, condemned 3000 firemen and first responders to a life of cancer and other ugly diseases while they collect pensions and vast sums they stole from Iraq and Afghanistan, Libya and Syria.

Can any of you metabunkers provide any names of any professionals who support the lying US governments' silly story?

Who is mickey? Is his last name Mouse?
Well then, please send all the "evidence" you have to the Grand Jury. I am sure they will be interested in your testimony, comrade.:mrgreen:

If you want to have a serious discussion, please stop with your "metabunker" rants. You might want to provide some sources to back up your rants.

 

[ralphcdp]

Who is mickey? Is his last name Mouse?

Might as well be for all the evidence mickey metabunker in chief offers.

Well then, please send all the "evidence" you have to the Grand Jury. I am sure they will be interested in your testimony, comrade.:mrgreen:

metabunkers get lamer by the minute.

If you want to have a serious discussion, please stop with your "metabunker" rants. You might want to provide some sources to back up your rants.

More hilarity from the metabunkers. And as always still no evidence.

 

[Thoreau72]

It is the same old mantra from "them". They claim their is no evidence to support any of the official report. At the same time they state it was controlled demolition. When asked for evidence, they present none.

It is past time the CD supporters prove their explanations.

How 'bout them truthers on the 911 Commission, eh Mike! Stating 60 some odd times in their report that "we found no evidence". Stating to the TV cameras that the commission was set up to fail.

Bloody truthers everywhere, eh Mike? :lamo

 

[Quag]

How 'bout them truthers on the 911 Commission, eh Mike! Stating 60 some odd times in their report that "we found no evidence". Stating to the TV cameras that the commission was set up to fail.

Bloody truthers everywhere, eh Mike? :lamo

Truthers love to take things out of context as you just demonstrated

Still waiting for our resident "flight instructor" to explain why ground effect makes flying a plane at high speed near the ground difficult.

 

[mike2810]

How 'bout them truthers on the 911 Commission, eh Mike! Stating 60 some odd times in their report that "we found no evidence". Stating to the TV cameras that the commission was set up to fail.

Bloody truthers everywhere, eh Mike? :lamo

You just proved my point. You avoid discussing the CD explanation. You defend Prager and Gage. Yet they have two entirely different explanations regarding controlled demolition.

The evidence indicates they are both wrong.

 

[ralphcdp]

Truthers love to ...

Lots of metabunker yapping, but as always never any evidence.

 

[ralphcdp]

The evidence

That obviously pains metabunkers deeply to even have to mention the word 'evidence'. It's like garlic, a cross, sunlight to vampires. Actually the metabunker in chief, their boss, looks like death warmed over, like a vampire, very ghoulish.

 

[ralphcdp]

:inandout:

Another poster liked it being pointed out that you, and so many others simply are not capable of facing up to/addressing reality.

 

[ralphcdp]

Hope we're not reading about you in the western media in the future. Have you sought professional help?

You won't read about me, as I am only the messenger. There is professional help for folks like you on the way. A US Federal Grand Jury for the Southern District of New York which will be convened/has been convened to investigate the controlled demolitions of WTCs 1, 2 & 7.

Why do Americans and some other westerners seem to despise free speech so much?

 

[Maccabee]

Sorry, no offense intended but you don't come close to Daniel Ellsberg for knowledge or commentary.

Nor do I intend to be. I'm an average guy who was once a conspiracy theorist like you and now see the flaws of the community.

 

[Thoreau72]

You just proved my point. You avoid discussing the CD explanation. You defend Prager and Gage. Yet they have two entirely different explanations regarding controlled demolition.

The evidence indicates they are both wrong.

We've discussed it here a million times Mike, and you know it.

Or maybe your memory is dysfunctional. Or that statement by you is dishonest. Either way, it doesn't matter.

You just cannot fathom how independent thinkers work.