In-person learning wasn’t the magic bullet many hoped for. Teens are still suffering.

[Phys251]

In-person learning wasn’t the magic bullet many hoped for. Teens are still suffering.

“Going back to school five days a week with everybody on campus all together, it just wasn’t the answer,” one parent said.

www.nbcnews.com

Hailey is not alone. As the U.S. reaches the second anniversary of the pandemic, a growing number of parents and psychiatrists report that a return to in-person learning was not the magic bullet many had hoped it would be for school-age children and that the pandemic has resulted in a host of mental health challenges even for those young people who seemed as recently as a year ago to be faring relatively well.

These findings put a big dent in the militant maskless' claim that online learning was what was causing mental health problems among young people. Turns out that it was the pandemic all along, and returning to in-person learning did not solve these mental health problems. Who could have guessed!

 

[Schism]

"“Going back to school five days a week with everybody on campus all together, it just wasn’t the answer,” one parent said."

...One parent said. Oh wait.

Hailey’s parents and Sydney’s parents say they are happy their daughters have found a way to reach out for professional help.

It's two parents. My bad. That's out of "the 49.4 million public school students". SMFH

 

[anatta]

what do you think "pandemic" means in terms of teens?
It means the consequences of being locked out of school for up to 2 years in some states.

an no you just cant switch anxieties and depression and social isolation on and off - getting them back in school is the first step to recovery for everyone.
some may adjust quickly-others the stresses of being locked out has caused trauma that will take time to heal

The lockouts caused all kinds of problems as well as learning the subject matter

 

[Phys251]

"“Going back to school five days a week with everybody on campus all together, it just wasn’t the answer,” one parent said."

...One parent said. Oh wait.

Hailey’s parents and Sydney’s parents say they are happy their daughters have found a way to reach out for professional help.

It's two parents. My bad. That's out of "the 49.4 million public school students". SMFH

^ This is what a dishonest post looks like. As was explicitly quoted in the OP:

Hailey is not alone. As the U.S. reaches the second anniversary of the pandemic, a growing number of parents and psychiatrists report that a return to in-person learning was not the magic bullet many had hoped it would be for school-age children and that the pandemic has resulted in a host of mental health challenges even for those young people who seemed as recently as a year ago to be faring relatively well.

But Schism singles out the examples of the truth that don't fit his anti-mask rhetoric.

 

[Phys251]

what do you think "pandemic" means in terms of teens?
It means the consequences of being locked out of school for up to 2 years in some states.

an no you just cant switch anxieties and depression and social isolation on and off - getting them back in school is the first step to recovery for everyone.
some may adjust quickly-others the stresses of being locked out has caused trauma that will take time to heal

The lockouts caused all kinds of problems as well as learning the subject matter

Opinion noted. I'll get mine from people who are actually experts on the matter.

 

[Schism]

^ This is what a dishonest post looks like. As was explicitly quoted in the OP:

Here's your quote:

Hailey is not alone. As the U.S. reaches the second anniversary of the pandemic, a growing number of parents and psychiatrists report that a return to in-person learning was not the magic bullet many had hoped it would be for school-age children and that the pandemic has resulted in a host of mental health challenges even for those young people who seemed as recently as a year ago to be faring relatively well.

Which is nothing more than an assertion. The linked article in your quote is titled: Anxiety, depression rampant among children even before the pandemic - which has nothing to do with in-person learning.

But Schism singles out the examples of the truth that don't fit his anti-mask rhetoric.

I dissected your article to prove it is an empty claim not supported by anything written except the anecdotal stories of two parents.

There are more than 49 million students. This article is attempting to attack parents. Your comments also attempted to attack parents when you wrote: "These findings put a big dent in the militant maskless' claim that online learning was what was causing mental health problems among young people. "

Nope, the article doesn't support your attack on parents. Also this statement is inaccurate:

Turns out that it was the pandemic all along,

Wrong again. The linked article is even entitled: Anxiety, depression rampant among children even before the pandemic

You attempt to attack parent concerns has been debunked. That is all for now.

 

[Phys251]

Here's your quote:


Which is nothing more than an assertion. The linked article in your quote is titled: Anxiety, depression rampant among children even before the pandemic - which has nothing to do with in-person learning.



I dissected your article to prove it is an empty claim not supported by anything written except the anecdotal stories of two parents.

There are more than 49 million students. This article is attempting to attack parents. Your comments also attempted to attack parents when you wrote: "These findings put a big dent in the militant maskless' claim that online learning was what was causing mental health problems among young people. "

Nope, the article doesn't support your attack on parents. Also this statement is inaccurate:

Turns out that it was the pandemic all along,

Wrong again. The linked article is even entitled: Anxiety, depression rampant among children even before the pandemic

You attempt to attack parent concerns has been debunked. That is all for now.

^ Another dishonest post filled with diversions and strawmen.

The article that Schism twists and skews simply shows that there was a baseline of mental problems even prior to the pandemic.

Now with the rise of mental health problems during the pandemic (if Schism wants to try to counter that as well, he can be my guest), all that remains to be shown is the lack of a significant drop in said problems as online learning ended.

He hasn't been able to. With the overwhelming evidence that mental health problems went up during the pandemic, the burden shifts to him to supply clear evidence that these problems significantly decreased as online earning ended.

Where is that evidence, Schism?

 

[anatta]

^ Another dishonest post filled with diversions and strawmen.

The article that Schism twists and skews simply shows that there was a baseline of mental problems even prior to the pandemic.

Now with the rise of mental health problems during the pandemic (if Schism wants to try to counter that as well, he can be my guest), all that remains to be shown is the lack of a significant drop in said problems as online learning ended.

He hasn't been able to. With the overwhelming evidence that mental health problems went up during the pandemic, the burden shifts to him to supply clear evidence that these problems significantly decreased as online earning ended.

Where is that evidence, Schism?

mental health isnt turned on and off like a light switch . you correctly said problem went up with the shift to online learning.. so that is a correlation if not an effect.. they should come down but over a much slower period of time

 

[Bullseye]

In-person learning wasn’t the magic bullet many hoped for. Teens are still suffering.

“Going back to school five days a week with everybody on campus all together, it just wasn’t the answer,” one parent said.

www.nbcnews.com

These findings put a big dent in the militant maskless' claim that online learning was what was causing mental health problems among young people. Turns out that it was the pandemic all along, and returning to in-person learning did not solve these mental health problems. Who could have guessed!

You expect miracles? It's going to take some time to recover back to where they were before the pandemic. Passing a few laws or easing mandates would work instantaneously.

 

[Phys251]

mental health isnt turned on and off like a light switch . you correctly said problem went up with the shift to online learning.. so that is a correlation if not an effect.. they should come down but over a much slower period of time

How do you know? If the return to in-person learning were such a boost to mental health, shouldn't teens' mental health experienced a surge as they finally got to see their classmates in person again? Where's that surge? It didn't happen!

 

[BirdinHand]

Gosh - two years of students being isolated from each other, not seeing faces of peers/teachers, being told that they’re responsible for killing grandparents and it magically didn’t disappear the second masks finally came off?

*gasp* who would have guessed.

🙄

 

[ElChupacabra]

In-person learning wasn’t the magic bullet many hoped for. Teens are still suffering.

“Going back to school five days a week with everybody on campus all together, it just wasn’t the answer,” one parent said.

www.nbcnews.com

These findings put a big dent in the militant maskless' claim that online learning was what was causing mental health problems among young people. Turns out that it was the pandemic all along, and returning to in-person learning did not solve these mental health problems. Who could have guessed!

One of the main flaws I see is this idea that there's some blanket reaction to the effects of the pandemic, because like many things, people will react differently based on a wide variety of individual circumstances that are as specific as a child's personality to much broader ones like familial support, and what their specific school experience was.

2020 was my daughter's freshman year in high school at a brand new school where she knew no one. The school started fully virtual and since then it's been a mixed bag of in person and remote learning. Fortunately she was one of those who did really well throughout. She was used to using technology to keep in touch with friends so there was no real issue with feelings of isolation. I know other kids who struggled though, so I totally understand that it's not a situation where outcomes are all the same.

 

[anatta]

How do you know? If the return to in-person learning were such a boost to mental health, shouldn't teens' mental health experienced a surge as they finally got to see their classmates in person again? Where's that surge? It didn't happen!

mental health can be degraded quickly by a trauma.
Traumas take time to recover from. "surge ' isnt even a concept

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

In-person learning wasn’t the magic bullet many hoped for. Teens are still suffering.

“Going back to school five days a week with everybody on campus all together, it just wasn’t the answer,” one parent said.

www.nbcnews.com

These findings put a big dent in the militant maskless' claim that online learning was what was causing mental health problems among young people. Turns out that it was the pandemic all along, and returning to in-person learning did not solve these mental health problems. Who could have guessed!

Unless the kids actually learn the basics in primary school, they won't learn the advanced stuff in middle and high school.

In primary school, it is considered too damaging to the kids' "self image" NOT to promote them along with their age cohort so there is no real incentive (in school) for the kids to learn the basics. [NOTE - Parents, on the other hand, DO provide their children with a motivation to learn (provided that the parents actually value education). That positive parental motivation can be offset by negative "peer group pressure" - such as "bullying the nerds", or, if the parental motivation is already negative, reinforced by negative "peer group pressure".]

21% of adults in the US are illiterate in 2022. 54% of adults have a literacy below 6th grade level. (oops, sorry, lost the link) [FOUND IT]

 

[Phys251]

One of the main flaws I see is this idea that there's some blanket reaction to the effects of the pandemic, because like many things, people will react differently based on a wide variety of individual circumstances that are as specific as a child's personality to much broader ones like familial support, and what their specific school experience was.

2020 was my daughter's freshman year in high school at a brand new school where she knew no one. The school started fully virtual and since then it's been a mixed bag of in person and remote learning. Fortunately she was one of those who did really well throughout. She was used to using technology to keep in touch with friends so there was no real issue with feelings of isolation. I know other kids who struggled though, so I totally understand that it's not a situation where outcomes are all the same.

You raise a fair point that it varies from child to child. The point that the article was making is that overall, the alleged mental health benefits of returning to the classroom were a wash.

 

[Phys251]

mental health can be degraded quickly by a trauma.
Traumas take time to recover from. "surge ' isnt even a concept

And now you're just making shit up. You obviously don't know what euphoria is or its positive effect on mental health.

 

[ElChupacabra]

You raise a fair point that it varies from child to child. The point that the article was making is that overall, the alleged mental health benefits of returning to the classroom were a wash.

Yep, and I suspect it's because like many of the issues caused by the pandemic, there was no light switch transition back to what was. It's going to take a while for people to get used to old patterns of behavior in social settings. This has come up in large corporations too, as they get ready to welcome people back into the office.

 

[Phys251]

Yep, and I suspect it's because like many of the issues caused by the pandemic, there was no light switch transition back to what was. It's going to take a while for people to get used to old patterns of behavior in social settings. This has come up in large corporations too, as they get ready to welcome people back into the office.

I suspect, though I cannot prove, that a significant damper on the rise of spirits was these teens' fears of getting the virus themselves.

They didn't have to worry about that as much at home.

Not saying they should have been kept at home--at some point the transition had to be made. It's just worth noting.

 

[anatta]

And now you're just making shit up. You obviously don't know what euphoria is or its positive effect on mental health.

sure I do. but you dont define your terms while I do. what is euphoria in your sentence?
The relief to get back to school? ( i dont think you mean drug induced euphoria)
if that is what you are trying to sayy, i've aleady answered "it takes time" and any type of euphoria is a short term kick that doesnt resolve underlying conditions

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

I canceled my own classes when I was in High School, hated that shit.

The teachers (and pupils too really) at my bumpkin high school were complete non entities.

My dad got a letter from school once saying I had missed 45 days of school, and it was only wintertime it wasnt even spring yet. he made me sell my Van Halen tickets for that, and that was in VH's hayday!! Still pissed about that.

If high school were canceled for me for two years, I'd party like an animal. You'd miss the hot chicks everywhere, thats about it.

I went on to graduate college with honors, but good lord no kid wants to go to high school. Do they? really? I guess the jocks would miss their sports and stuff, extra curricular activities. Yeah, a lack of socialism could be bad, we DO need more socialism I guess.

 

[Phys251]

sure I do. but you dont define your terms while I do. what is euphoria in your sentence?
The relief to get back to school? ( i dont think you mean drug induced euphoria)
if that is what you are trying to sayy, i've aleady answered "it takes time" and any type of euphoria is a short term kick that doesnt resolve underlying conditions

Read Post #7 slowly. Focus carefully on the part about the burden of proof.

 

[anatta]

I suspect, though I cannot prove, that a significant damper on the rise of spirits was these teens' fears of getting the virus themselves.

They didn't have to worry about that as much at home.

Not saying they should have been kept at home--at some point the transition had to be made. It's just worth noting.

teens are low risk of symptomatic infection and transmission.. Being at home doesnt mean they dont socialize with others in their community.
Kisa are actually safer in schools with contact more with other kids then say high risk people they might cross paths with

 

[Phys251]

teens are low risk of symptomatic infection and transmission.. Being at home doesnt mean they dont socialize with others in their community.
Kisa are actually safer in schools with contact more with other kids then say high risk people they might cross paths with

You didn't read Post #7. Go back and read the part about the burden of proof as many times as it takes for you to get it.

 

[anatta]

Read Post #7 slowly. Focus carefully on the part about the burden of proof.

you cant seem to state much of anything with clarity and definition other then telling me to refer

 

[Phys251]

you cant seem to state much of anything with clarity and definition other then telling me to refer

^ Here comes the "la la la can't hear you" game. A classic sign of running out of intelligent arguments but not a desire to keep blathering.