The union doesn't own the company. So a applicant shouldn't be forced to be part of a union as a condition of getting that job. If unions don't want to represent non-union members then push for a change in the law much the same way states are pushing for right to work laws.and we would be correct
the applicant applies for a bargaining unit job
at the time of application they would know the job is one that requires union dues payment as a condition of employment (in non-right-to-work states)
to avoid being a dues paying union member they should avoid applying for a union represented job
nothing magical or diabolical about that. straight forward. but some seem unable to comprehend the very simple policy
I agree unions are the problem. The rest of your post I don't agree with as much.
No one should be forced to join an organization they fell doesn't benefit them as a condition of employmet.
As for freeloading. At my job the laziest and least productive workers are union members. The union doesn't try to make them more productive, they defend them. They talk a good game but in the end hurt rather then help hard workers then defend the worst. At lest that has been my experience.
The union doesn't own the company. So a applicant shouldn't be forced to be part of a union as a condition of getting that job. If unions don't want to represent non-union members then push for a change in the law much the same way states are pushing for right to work laws.
I see a lot of companies cutting back on temporary employees.
They are not going to want to deal with the nonsense.
Congrats to the NLB for tanking jobs for more people.
"The laziest and least productive workers are union"
Bull sh!t bet you can't provide documentation backing that up
I can verify that from personal experience.
:lamo
That or Alex Jones and Michelle Malkin
How many union jobs have you been on? Real jobs, not a paper route.
I'm a manager in a union environment.
Yeah...sure you are.
It just so happens I am. :shrug:
Quite inconvenient for you I know.
In The United States?
Ah so now, in some desperate attempt to insist that I "Just don't understand" you're actually going to insist, that because I'm a Manager in a union environment in Canada, I just don't understand that as soon as you cross the border, Union workers become a bunch of lazy drooling idiots.
apdst, if you're going to be this, stunningly intellectually lazy.
Just don't come to play.
Obviously, we're discussing union in The United States.
Of you can't handle that reality, then don't troll my posts with references to Alex Jones and Michelle Malkin.
At my job the laziest and least productive workers are union members.
I can verify that from personal experience.
So you're going to make the case that Unions are so VASTLY different between US and Canada that again, I have no idea what I'm talking about?
I'm not sure i'm the one who can't handle reality.
But actually I do apologize, I shouldn't have brought Michelle or Alex into this, what you said wasn't crazy, like in Alex's MO, or ignorant as in Michelle's MO.
No to say something as downright dishonest as this:
It would have to be inspired by Ann Coulter, your heroine.
Have you ever worked a union job in The United States? Yes, or no?
Right, but if there is a union, that union is still required to represent the freeloaders, whether they want to or not.
That's true. Why is it any different than the argument, "Free market types claim no one is forced to work for minimum wage since they don't have to apply and accept that job" What changes when you substitute "join a union" for 'working for minimum wage'?
share with us how this makes rational sense
the business enterprises that needed help magically don't need that help any more?
or if they still do need those hours worked and choose not to place the work with the temp hires, who provides the work hours?
Except that many of we free market supporters want to see people earn a lot more than minimum wage. A union culture is hostile to craftsmanship and pride in one's work.
your 'solution' was for the business to discontinue using the temp workers they were formerly usingIt isn't magical help.
However ifthe cost of the help exceeds their value then the company will do something about it.
your posts only illustrate an ignorance of basic business fundamentalsThis is something liberals fail to understand about business every time.
They could outsource it to a different company.your 'solution' was for the business to discontinue using the temp workers they were formerly using
a business hires labor because it needs the labor to perform work essential to the business' operations
if that labor no longer comes from temp workers, where does it come from?
the need for labor does not just go away
your posts only illustrate an ignorance of basic business fundamentals
you presume that labor formerly required all of a sudden is no longer needed - only because temp employees performing that labor can now join unions. that is a bogus assumption devoid of business management knowledge or understanding
yes, they couldThey could outsource it to a different company.
you forget. they have now become union represented employeesThat of they hire a few of them full time and let the rest go.
maybe they will. but it will not result from following your "advice"They will find a way to reduce the cost.
it has proven which of the two of us knows what they are posting aboutYes your post is as proven already.
what will the employers be able to do to mitigate the costsIf you raise the cost of labor which this will do if these temp people decide to join the union then the company will take measures to recoil that cost. That is what businesses do.
now, the cost is going to be the cost of a employee under a union contractYep is the cost of the help exceeds the value companies find a way to reduce that cost.
Whether that is man power or outsourcing two someone else.
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