In general, do you think innocent people when charged with a serious crime or crimes try to delay their trial for as long as possible?

[DrewPaul]

??? so???

I was a former NRA Rifle instructor------is that unique?

Not very compared to the most powerful person on the planet.

 

[Paradoxical]

its a giant bucket of lawfare

all the liberals are talking about 61 charges and it's like Alvin Bragg saying he cheated on taxes and each line of his tax return is a separate offense. ALL of these cases against him are bogus with the whack-job lady claiming rape being at the top of the list.

 

[dmpi]

This isn't the 1950's anymore. With modern forensics, DNA, ect. innocent perple go free because they prove their innocence.

The notion that cops decide a persons guilt now a days is just flat out wrong.

Have you ever been on a jury where there were no facts in dispute? A lot of trials are nothing more than he said - she said surrounded with circumstantial evidence. Innocent people can and do get convicted. That's the reality.

 

[Showtime586]

Delays are employed by those afraid of prosecution.

 

[Paradoxical]

Some people (who are above the law) don't get charged because the investigator (who is only supposed to investigate) decides for the prosecutor and a potential jury that no one would try or win such a case. In Biden's case special counsel decided a jury would find Biden to be an elderly sympathetic man with poor memory. Why Comey claimed no one would prosecute Hillary is beyond me. Maybe Trump should start having memory issues.

Yep. Seems to be the new novel defense. Like the family of a mafia kingpin saying poor ole Joe Corleone Biden really did those things when he was a lot younger and had most of his marbles and we're sure he's sorry for whatever it is you say he did. But look at the poor wretched soul now, wearing Depends, and can barely string two sentences together and as you saw in questioning doesn't remember ever owning 5 houses and bank accounts worth millions. Why, the guy confuses China with plates and saucers and Trudeau with dough that rises in a cake pan like it should.

 

[tshade]

Not very compared to the most powerful person on the planet.

Okay---a rifle instructor who was dragged by a school bus at age 7---------there. Justice is BLIND. hopefully

 

[noonereal]

You know any other former presidents who were indicted?

Of course not. We have never had this kind of filth in the White House .

 

[Jessie C]

Have you ever been on a jury where there were no facts in dispute? A lot of trials are nothing more than he said - she said surrounded with circumstantial evidence. Innocent people can and do get convicted. That's the reality.

What does that have to do with cops deciding people's guilt or innocence? Never mind....

 

[Buckeyes85]

all the liberals are talking about 61 charges and it's like Alvin Bragg saying he cheated on taxes and each line of his tax return is a separate offense. ALL of these cases against him are bogus with the whack-job lady claiming rape being at the top of the list.

First off, I think you are about 30 felony counts shy.
Next, no your tax comment is not analogous, at all.
And to your last point, I guess all the jurors on the Jean Carroll case were in on the scam? And all the grand jury members in the DC case, and the Georgia case, and the Florida case- they were all in on the conspiracy to indict Trump on bogus charges also?

Grand jurors are picked randomly from the lists of registered voters. Are folks claiming to vote for Trump not even registered to vote? Or was it pure coincidence all those chosen happened to be in on the conspiracy to go after Trump?

 

[btthegreat]

Also while delaying their trial they are paying their high priced lawyers good money. Can anyone come up with something reasonable why someone would act that way?

Wouldn't you want to clear your name as soon as possible?

Republican voters, feel free to respond.

'truly innocent' people don't act any different from people who are not 'truly innocent' with respect to tactical decision-making either pretrial or during the trial. That's not how this division works. You have people who listen to their attorney's best advice, and people who want to run the show themselves.
People who are by nature obstinate, and those who are not. And that just from the client end. You have less risk adverse attorneys, and more risk adverse attorneys. Some want to run up the hours, because they don't have a lot of clients. Others want to close cases more quickly because they have staffing or manpower shortages. And then there is the strength and weakness of the actual cases. Some are strong cases, some are weak cases. Some are legally complicated with lots of room for appeals, others are not. Some will get stronger with delays, some will get weaker with delays.

 

[LouC]

Also while delaying their trial they are paying their high priced lawyers good money.

If I was able to pay my attorney with funds that strangers had willingly sent me, then yeah, I would call that good money! Real good money!

Can anyone come up with something reasonable why someone would act that way?

Only scenario I can imagine would be to delay until a new law, with grandfathering, was going to begin that would obviate the trial.

Wouldn't you want to clear your name as soon as possible?

Not recklessly so, but yeah, get it done!

I would not want to go to trial before my attorney said they were ready.

Republican voters, feel free to respond.

I used to be a Republican voter until I discovered I could not be MAGATIZED.

 

[StarvedForChange]

Also while delaying their trial they are paying their high priced lawyers good money. Can anyone come up with something reasonable why someone would act that way?

Wouldn't you want to clear your name as soon as possible?

Republican voters, feel free to respond.

Exactly. What Trump is trying to do is to hope to win the election because as president, he can make his federal charges go away. So if he can delay all trials, the federal ones anyway until after the election he can "run out the clock" and get away with many of his crimes.

 

[StarvedForChange]

You don't have to delay your trial. The wheels of justice already turns mighty slowly. The longer you delay it the better you chance you have that your prosecutor cannot build a case against you. They won't be able to find witnesses and people's recollection will become foggy over time. And don't worry about lawyer fees. They bill by the hour when they're actually working on your case.

Trump is hoping to delay all his trials until after the election, hoping to win it. As president, he can install an AG that will do his bidding and make all his federal crimes go away. As far as the state crimes go, I don't know how he'll make those charges go away. Perhaps enlist the conservative SCOTUS to hold off on trying him, claiming national security will be harmed if the states are allowed to try a sitting president? That would be my guess.

 

[Napoleon]

Grand jurors are picked randomly from the lists of registered voters.

The reality is that all juries are biased juries. People don’t become blank slates with no values or opinions just because they’re being paid $20 per day to decide another person’s fate. And unless they miraculously find 12 hermits who have been living under rocks for the last 3 years - any jury is going to have (possibly inalterable) preconceived judgements about this case.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Yes. When obvious Lawfare tactics are used such as the cases by Fani, Lewticia, and Bragg along with the assassin Smith when you are running a campaign and you could get an all liberal judge and jury who have TDS

The reality is that all juries are biased juries. People don’t become blank slates with no values or opinions just because they’re being paid $20 per day to decide another person’s fate. And unless they miraculously find 12 hermits who have been living under rocks for the last 3 years - any jury is going to have (possibly inalterable) preconceived judgements about this case.

Y'all out here making excuses for Trump's obvious and inevitable losses​

 

[eman623]

If you're the president's son then you delay as long as you can until the statue of limitations runs out and you can get a rigged deal on the remaining charges.

 

[DCCougar]

You don't have to delay your trial. The wheels of justice already turns mighty slowly.

Well, not necessarily in a criminal case. In the United States, the Sixth Amendment to the Constitution guarantees the right to a speedy trial.

The longer you delay it the better you chance you have that your prosecutor cannot build a case against you.

They already have probable cause that you committed a crime before you are arrested. And the prosecutor is probably confident he or she can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you are guilty before the arrest.

They won't be able to find witnesses and people's recollection will become foggy over time.

Not unless you are the one dragging it out. BTW, if you are to be held without bail, or you cannot make bail, you will be waiting for your trial date in jail. That's kind of an incentive not to drag things out.

And don't worry about lawyer fees. They bill by the hour when they're actually working on your case.

Yeah, right. In the United States, defense attorneys may charge anywhere from $100 to $1,000 or more per hour. I'd say $300 an hour is not uncommon.

 

[DCCougar]

I'll take a wild guess and say this is about Trump. He has several motives to delay the trial just as the prosecutors are on fire to get it underway as soon as possible.

So do you think one of those motives is the high likelihood that he will be found guilty and thrown in prison?

 

[DCCougar]

Just because you're innocent don't mean you can't be convicted.

You want to cite the percentage of how often that happens?

Once the police decide you're guilty, nothing will change their mind and you're in for a huge uphill battle.

Police don't prosecute cases. And cases are decided on the relevant evidence admitted by the judge. Don't commit crimes, you should be fine.

 

[DCCougar]

This is all about an election....

Actually, no; it's about holding a criminal accountable. Read the indictments. They're full of facts. He's going down.

 

[DCCougar]

His main focus is not justice but a conviction before November.

A conviction before November would be a perfect example of justice.

 

[The Stars Tremble]

Don't the majority of guilty people take some plea?

While there are no exact estimates of the proportion of cases that are resolved through plea bargaining, scholars estimate that about 90 to 95 percent of both federal and state court cases are resolved through this process (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 2005; Flanagan and Maguire, 1990).

I'll take a wild guess and say this is about Trump. He has several motives to delay the trial just as the prosecutors are on fire to get it underway as soon as possible.

"The majority of guilty people" don't have the option of pardoning themselves. Trump should be brought to trial BEFORE the election, on all charges he faces, purely as a matter of equal justice.

 

[DCCougar]

ALL of these cases against him are bogus...

That wasn't the OP's question. We know your claims are largely bogus, but that wasn't the OP's question either.

 

[DCCougar]

Trump is hoping to delay all his trials until after the election, hoping to win it.

Right. But doesn't that mean that he knows he's guilty and would be convicted once a trial commences? And this is the guy people want to be their president?

 

[brianpatrick]

His main focus is not justice but a conviction before November.

I don’t think he cares any longer now that it’s obvious Trump can’t win in ‘24. The pressure alone is shredding Trump from the inside out.
He’s starting to come apart at the seams. At this point it doesn’t matter even if the trial never happens.