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I am not grateful if they are using the safety net. if they are working hard and paying their way that is different. and I don't blame just the democrats who want more votes for allowing this mess. plenty of GOP business owners like illegals or legal unskilled labor to help suppress wages
even for people who have no skills or education and have a very high probability of becoming dependent on handouts?
http://www.politifact.com/georgia/s...ation-bill-cost-georgia-farmers-close-400-mi/
tell me what you think of this?
Apparently the only people who are willing to do this work for this little pay is unskilled immigrants be they legal or otherwise. Just want your take on this situation.
you actually make an excellent point to be more restrictive - at least as far as minimum qualifications - in order to be eligible for immigration status
this nation is filled with underskilled people looking for work
if they were not competing against illegals for those menial labor positions, they could earn a living wage
I believe Turtle is right on this. Hispanics broke for Pres Obama in droves during this election. Just because someone is a legal citizen doesn't mean they A) Dont' have an illegal relative(s) B) Don't know an illegal immigrant C) Weren't an illegal themselves at some point D) Simply see Gov Romney's self deportation statement as general discrimination or lack of concern for hispanics. Further evidence of this is that Pres Bush II got a lot more of the hispanic vote because his immigration policies were much more moderate. I'm not saying they are wrong about that. I didn't vote for Gov Romney for many reasons. But first and foremost was the simple fact that I believe he would get us into another useless war/conflict. I probably could've overlooked a lot of the other stuff but that issue made me write in Ron Paul instead of vote for Romney. Some people are one issue voters, that's all there is to it. When that one issue is the deportation of your relatives/friends or the perceived general lack of concern for your entire race, it equals a landslide break for Pres Obama. I don't blame them either. I'd probably do the same thing if I were hispanic.
refresh.. I posted the wrong link..
The new link talks about how there is 11,000 jobs that need to be filled in the absence of Georgia's new immigration law. These positions they suggest filling with people currently serving time in jail, mainly because no one else will do the work.
Farmers do not have profit margins like big business. They can't afford to pay people high wages to pick produce from crops. Therefor its a symbiotic relationship between farmers and immigrants. Always has been.
Georgia Immigration Law Hits Farmers Hard
tell me what you think of this?
Apparently the only people who are willing to do this work for this little pay is unskilled immigrants be they legal or otherwise. Just want your take on this situation.
IT is now well known that hispanic immigrants who came here legally or illegally and then gained citizenship were a major reason for Obama winning Florida, Virginia Colorado and perhaps some other states. Several discussions I heard today noted that the welfare promises of the DNC rather than amnesty were the main reason why more than 2/3s of these hispanic immigrants voted for Obama. 75% of them are not well educated or have a skilled trade.
Based on those assumptions, what should be done with our immigration policies
even for people who have no skills or education and have a very high probability of becoming dependent on handouts?
No, I'm not denying it at all. I just don't think it has a damned thing to do what with our immigration policies should be. I don't know if that's true or false. It makes no difference.
Leave it as it is-some quotas based on countries of origin
do not change the laws but enforce them better
Restrict immigration to those with needed skills
restrict immigration to those able to provide for themselves
Have a complete moratorium on immigration for a period of years
Other
Yet Obama has deported more Illegal Immigrants than Bush ever did. Still don't get how this makes sense.
I would figure a union supporter like you would be against such things.
Yet Obama has deported more Illegal Immigrants than Bush ever did. Still don't get how this makes sense.
Don't let farmers kid you. Farmers can simply raise their prices, for God's sake. If they can't afford to pay minimum wage -- or can't afford to pay whatEVER they need to pay to get their work done?
The rest of us are just going to have to pony up more for apples.
Filling jobs with people in jail? That sounds a lot like slavery to me.
Any sources?
IT is now well known that hispanic immigrants who came here legally or illegally and then gained citizenship were a major reason for Obama winning Florida, Virginia Colorado and perhaps some other states. Several discussions I heard today noted that the welfare promises of the DNC rather than amnesty were the main reason why more than 2/3s of these hispanic immigrants voted for Obama. 75% of them are not well educated or have a skilled trade.
Based on those assumptions, what should be done with our immigration policies
Crime should not be rewarded. Other people wait in line to enter our country legally, so why should everyone else bend over backwards to cater to those who break into our nation? It's rather telling how wrong the progressives/liberals are in their thinking when you consider, iirc, that Mexico has stricter immigration laws.
I would figure a union supporter like you would be against such things.
I heard several discussions today that the sky is really green and the super rich feel so bad about pissing away a billion dollars on a fail they are voluntarily asking for a tax increase...want to hear more about discussions I heard today ?
PolitiFact | Has Barack Obama deported more people than any other president in U.S. history?
According to current figures from Immigration and Customs Enforcement -- the federal agency responsible for deportations -- Obama has removed 1.4 million people during his 42 months in office so far. Technically, that's fewer than under George W. Bush, whose cumulative total was 2 million. But Bush’s number covers eight full years, which doesn’t allow an apples-to-apples comparison.
Ok so I was wrong. Under Obama he's deported 1.4 Million in 4 years where under Bush he deported 2 Million in 8 years.. touche..
Every country in the world has stricter immigration laws than we do. That use to be what made us a great nation. That you could come here and start a new life for yourself, yet the amount of people wanting to get in is FAR more than the amount we allow in legally, thats why we get the illegals.
[x] Open borders for anyone in the world who has at least a bachelor's degree and has committed no crimes.
[x] Increased immigration for those who want to pursue a bachelor's degree.
[x] Offer in-state tuition at state universities for all immigrants, regardless of legal status, who meet state residency requirements.
[x] Amnesty and a path to citizenship for all undocumented immigrants who have been here at least five years and who have committed no (real) crimes.
[x] Free public education and health care to all children, regardless of legal status.
[x] No change to immigration quotas for unskilled labor.
IT is now well known that hispanic immigrants who came here legally or illegally and then gained citizenship were a major reason for Obama winning Florida, Virginia Colorado and perhaps some other states. Several discussions I heard today noted that the welfare promises of the DNC rather than amnesty were the main reason why more than 2/3s of these hispanic immigrants voted for Obama. 75% of them are not well educated or have a skilled trade.
Based on those assumptions, what should be done with our immigration policies
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