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Immigrants: The Gamble Germany Must take.

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Math is a Bitch.
Germany, among other EU countries, Japan, and others have Alarmingly low native fertility.
Japan, IMO, is going down for that reason.
Immigrants from the Arab Middle East and North Africa, have Not proven they are Net Gains for the EU: on the contrary.
But faced with depopulation and certain evaporation....

It's a gamble they are taking. Ostensibly, a fair amount of the current crop have some .edu
You all know my sentiment on Islam.. and there's gonna be ALOT of problems.
Sweden, in particular, is a Disaster area, and would have been better with a more controlled approach. Or none at all.
But Merkel-GmbH feel they have to take a shot. This larger country, with higher population and plenty of jobs relative to immigrant numbers, has a much better chance.

I cite al-Jazeera, which I think we can all agree has a pro Arab immigrant Bias (ie, the Title is Very Optimistic), but an important story nonetheless.
A low odds bet that must be made.
Again, I post this with great trepidation.

Refugees will change Europe for the better
Immigration could help European countries reverse their negative demographic trends and boost their economic growth
October 25, 2015
by Paul Hockenos
Refugees Will Change Europe for the Better | Al Jazeera America

The influx of refugees into Europe from the Middle East and North Africa continues unabated. At least 1.5 million people are expected reach European shores before the end of 2015. Today European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker is hosting emergency talks with leaders from Central and Eastern Europe to address the crisis. As the numbers of asylum seekers climbs, populists and critics are pushing the panic button, which is reflected in the violence against refugees and a rise in support for far-right parties...
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First, Demographics: Deaths outpace births across Europe. The gap is acute and pressing in Germany, but the Europe-wide problem receives too little attention. European leaders must lure young people to populate their cities, pay pensions for retirees and care for them as well as to sustain the continent’s growth.

Germany’s growing economy may be exceptional in recession-plagued Europe, but its demographic quandary isn’t. Germans have been graying as a nation and dwindling in numbers for decades. If this trend persists, the German population will shrink from 81.5 million to 60 million over the next 35 years — even if 100,000 people immigrate to Germany every year. In 2014, Germany welcomed 550,483 new migrants to keep its total population steady. But unless fertility rates rebound dramatically, a regular inflow of immigrants is needed from outside the country.

In contrast to the early 1990s, when Germany instigated EU-wide asylum reform to limit immigration, today, the German business community — already struggling to fill job vacancies and empty spots in vocational training programs — is firmly behind Chancellor Angela Merkel’s welcoming stance and wants the newcomers trained and integrated more swiftly.
Other European countries such as Spain and Portugal are also suffering from low birthrates..
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Cultural differences, the Germans believe in motherhood; mothers stay home with their children. And due to the tax burden they can't afford to have more than one or two children today. But I don't think they're all that happy with immigration, either. I don't believe Merkel will run again, it seems she has her eye on loftier places. Which is why she has supported refugees.
 
betuadollar said:
Cultural differences, the Germans believe in motherhood; mothers stay home with their children. And due to the tax burden they can't afford to have more than one or two children today. But I don't think they're all that happy with immigration, either. I don't believe Merkel will run again, it seems she has her eye on loftier places. Which is why she has supported refugees.
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Germany has the lowest birthrates in the world. Motherhood is one of the last things German women are thinking about now.

Germany passes Japan to have world's lowest birth rate - study - BBC News

mbig said:
Math is a Bitch.
Germany, among other EU countries, Japan, and others have Alarmingly low native fertility.
Japan, IMO, is going down for that reason.
Immigrants from the Arab Middle East and North Africa, have Not proven they are Net Gains for the EU: on the contrary.
But faced with depopulation and certain evaporation....

It's a gamble they are taking. Ostensibly, a fair amount of the current crop have some .edu
You all know my sentiment on Islam.. and there's gonna be ALOT of problems.
Sweden, in particular, is a Disaster area, and would have been better with a more controlled approach. Or none at all.
But Merkel-GmbH feel they have to take a shot. This larger country, with higher population and plenty of jobs relative to immigrant numbers, has a much better chance.

I cite al-Jazeera, which I think we can all agree has a pro Arab immigrant Bias (ie, the Title is Very Optimistic), but an important story nonetheless.
A low odds bet that must be made.
Again, I post this with great trepidation.

Refugees will change Europe for the better
Immigration could help European countries reverse their negative demographic trends and boost their economic growth
October 25, 2015
by Paul Hockenos
Refugees Will Change Europe for the Better | Al Jazeera America
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Japan has a low birthrate, because women are pressured by society to stay at home and become mothers upon childbirth. Unless this is changed, the birthrate will continue to plummet. As for the rest of your post, Sweden has been taking Muslim immigrants since the 1970s. Nothing new. Europe will survive, as any country does with immigration.
 
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betuadollar said:
I think you missed the point. German women stay home with their children; they're all about motherhood. That combined with the tax burden makes children increasingly difficult.
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What are you blabbering about? Younger women today, especially in Europe, are opting to pursue an education and career before having a family.
 
le bouffon said:
What are you blabbering about? Younger women today, especially in Europe, are opting to pursue an education and career before having a family.
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Are you serious? German women always did. But when they have children they stay home, for years. They applied rational thought and concluded that motherhood is a priority. The point is they're not dual-earners and in today's environment they can't afford too many children.
 
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betuadollar said:
Are you serious? German women always did. But when they have children they stay home, for years. They applied rational thought and concluded that motherhood is a priority. The point is they're not dual-earners and in today's environment they can't afford too many children.
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Sigh. No point taking this any further.
 
Grant said:
Germany has the lowest birth rates in the world so it can't be all about motherhood. Muslims are not going to support them in their old age.Germany passes Japan to have world's lowest birth rate - study - BBC News
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Well listen, don't you suppose there might be a reason they have few children? It's not that they have low fertility rates or that they're all caught up in themselves; it's that their vision of motherhood is different, they are financially overburdened, and they can't afford more.
 
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betuadollar said:
Well listen, don't you suppose there might be a reason they have few children? It's not that they're all caught up in themselves; it's that their vision of motherhood is different, they are financially overburdened, and they can't afford more.
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It seems their vision of motherhood does not include children.
 
Grant said:
It seems their vision of motherhood does not include children.
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It does not include many children, no. Typically today it's just one child. Because the mother can only afford to stay home for just so long. This is a country with generational mortgages, too. The mortgage is usually passed from generation to generation.
 
betuadollar said:
It does not include many children, no. Typically today it's just one child. Because the mother can only afford to stay home for just so long. This is a country with generational mortgages, too. The mortgage is usually passed from generation to generation.
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In fact in includes less that one child (.82) where 2.1 children is necessary just to keep the population stable. Say Auf wiedersehen to the Germany that was. Same with the rest of Western Europe, though it may take a while longer.
 
Grant said:
In fact in includes less that one child (.82) where 2.1 children is necessary just to keep the population stable. Say Auf wiedersehen to the Germany that was. Same with the rest of Western Europe, though it may take a while longer.
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I'm not sure what your point is. There are more brown skinned people in Germany now but not many. Because immigration is not the answer. Admitting immigrants does not grow the German people, it merely adds to the economic burden. The US on the other hand is in suicide mode, admitting more people than the economy can possibly support, while simultaneously growing its welfare state. It's insanity. Dual-earner households, fatherless children, it's also a question of whether the next generation will even be able capable of sustaining that welfare state.
 
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betuadollar said:
I'm not sure what your point is. There are more brown skinned people in Germany now but not many. Because immigration is not the answer. Admitting immigrants does not grow the German people, it merely adds to the economic burden. The US on the other hand is in suicide mode, admitting more people than the economy can possibly support, while simultaneously growing its welfare state. It's insanity. Dual-earner households, fatherless children, it's also a question of whether the next generation will even be able capable of sustaining that welfare state.
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It's not a matter of skin color, it's a matter of culture and belief systems. Germany as it was is history.
 
How about encourage Germans to have more children instead of flooding the county with mainly young islamic men?
 
Roadvirus said:
I don't see how increased crime and an overburdened welfare system is "better" for Europe.
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Well if you're Germany, you either take this gamble or, with your birth rates, just die out slowly.

It's a matter of the government providing incentives to create a family (tax cuts and such usually help).
 
betuadollar said:
I don't believe Merkel will run again, it seems she has her eye on loftier places. Which is why she has supported refugees.
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Merkel is about 1 major migrant-related incident away from being overthrown in a violent coup. Why do you think she has Facebook clamping down on "anti-migrant 'hate speech'" and encourages a media blackout when it comes to crimes involving refugees?
 
PakPuk said:
How about encourage Germans to have more children instead of flooding the county with mainly young islamic men?
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Because it makes too much damn sense. Government ****ers like Merkel hate logical solutions.
 
Roadvirus said:
Merkel is about 1 major migrant-related incident away from being overthrown in a violent coup. Why do you think she has Facebook clamping down on "anti-migrant 'hate speech'" and encourages a media blackout when it comes to crimes involving refugees?
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Aren't ex stasi officials now monitoring xenophobia (basically anyone criticizing the government) on social media in Germany now?

STASI-veteran will assist German government in Facebook censorship | Swedish Surveyor
 
Roadvirus said:
Because it makes too much damn sense. Government ****ers like Merkel hate logical solutions.
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She hates her country, she hates her culture and identity.
 
A pity they did not decide to do it intelligently. Bringing in people from around the world with desired qualifications and at a manageable rate beginning 15 year ago? But this way is rather risky and might not bring about results one would want.
 
joG said:
A pity they did not decide to do it intelligently. Bringing in people from around the world with desired qualifications and at a manageable rate beginning 15 year ago? But this way is rather risky and might not bring about results one would want.
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Exactly, the people that should be coming in should be the salt of the earth not people looking for money who have no skills and qualifications.
 
Luftwaffe said:
Well if you're Germany, you either take this gamble or, with your birth rates, just die out slowly.

It's a matter of the government providing incentives to create a family (tax cuts and such usually help).
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....and this plan of Merkel's for dying out quickly is somehow better?
 
betuadollar said:
Cultural differences, the Germans believe in motherhood; mothers stay home with their children. ..................
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Lay off the hooch, eh? Or pass some over so I can bear this baloney ;)
 
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