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I agree that cracking down on employers is one part of the solution. Now why in the heck is Obama suing Az over the employer sanction bill passed two years ago?
Supreme Court to Review Arizona Employer Sanctions Law - New America Media
"The U.S. Supreme Court agreed on Monday to review a controversial Arizona statute aimed at imposing severe sanctions on employers who knowingly hire undocumented immigrant workers. This law has already set precedence for similar local legislation being passed in other states across the country.
The Monday hearing was the first time that the highest tribunal in the country considered addressing the constitutionality of a state bill — the Legal Arizona Workers Act (LAWA) — that deals with immigration issues.
LAWA was signed by former Gov. Janet Napolitano, now secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, and took effect on Jan.1, 2008. It was challenged by a coalition of business groups, but it didn't get as much national attention as the passage in April of SB 1070, which will allow law enforcement to arrest and detain undocumented immigrants in Arizona."
It seems evertime a State like Arizona tries do improve the situation to reduce "illegals", this administration steps in as says "No". If the Feds would do the job, the State would not have to step in. This has been building over many adminstrations. It seems Obama just does not get it.
IMO we cannot totally seal our borders. We can take steps to reduce the numbers crossing illegally everyday. More boots on the ground, barriers in certain locations, going after employers, stop rendering assistance to those who cross the desert and get in trouble, etc.
and yes, I agree we need immigration reform to allow for workers in support to certain business that require it. I will take acception to Amercans won't do the work. I for one have worked on farms in my younger days as a field hand. I also worked for a tree service. If that is what you need to feed yourself, get off you axx and get to work. There is no insult to do manual labor jobs.
Umm, since when did President Obama become a member of the Supreme Court? Also notice that the law was challenged by business groups, you know, the people who like to HIRE illegals. Since when did business groups become part of the Federal government?
The illegals are not invaders. Industry here in the good ole' USA rolled out the red carpet for them by hiring them, which is against the law. I see plenty of outrage against the illegals, but where in the hell is the outrage against the employers who are breaking the law, which is allowing the illegals to come here in the first place?
I'm guessing it's a purely Constitutional issue. I could imagine the Federal government doesn't want to set a precedent that states can decide how to enforce a Federal law. It's bogus, though.
OH I know fully well what type of jobs the illegals take, but that is not the point. American's refuse to do the jobs because either they are lazy or the wage is too low. Now the first one cant be changed easily but the second one can be changed. But in principle this is a whole other debate.
And it does not change the fact that the these jobs can be done by LEGAL workers at minimum wage, but the companies and private persons exploit the fact that they are illegals to pay them less than minimum wage often and so on. Make the price for getting caught employing an illegal so high, that the companies cant afford doing so, then the illegals will stop coming.
Pullleeeze. The pay is terrible because they can hire pseudo-slaves. If we're willing to pay more for our green beans, there'll be plenty of Americans to take those jobs.
You and everybody else with half a brain. (No offense meant.) Now....why aren't we doing that? Either side of the aisle?
Really? Here in Texas, they have taken about 2/3 of the construction jobs.
The illegals are not invaders. Industry here in the good ole' USA rolled out the red carpet for them by hiring them, which is against the law. I see plenty of outrage against the illegals, but where in the hell is the outrage against the employers who are breaking the law, which is allowing the illegals to come here in the first place?
The reason being is that most Americans do not want to work in the high heat of Texas or anywhere else. Employers need to find a source of labor that will be willing to work in those conditions.
Maybe you misunderstood my post. AZ has a law that can strip business license from those who hire illegals. Obama admistration has challenged the Az law. The SC has agreed to hear the case. Lower federal courts have upheld AZ law. My post was to address the comment that the govt. should go after business that hire illegals. Hence my question, why is Obama admistration
challenging Az law that does just that, penalizes employers.
Yes the orginal challenge was by business groups. However, "
The federal government has asked the Supreme Court to review Arizona's employer-sanctions law, and a decision could have a ripple effect on similar laws across the country as well as on the state's controversial new immigration law.
Read more: Supreme Court asked to review Arizona employer sanctions law
I should have used a more clear first link. A little more search shows its the Feds that asked for the SC review. Since Holder works for Obama, my point stands.
Supreme Court asked to review Arizona employer sanctions law
The reason being is that most Americans do not want to work in the high heat of Texas or anywhere else. Employers need to find a source of labor that will be willing to work in those conditions.
I'm guessing it's a purely Constitutional issue. I could imagine the Federal government doesn't want to set a precedent that states can decide how to enforce a Federal law. It's bogus, though.
Do you really think Americans are that lazy to not want to work because it is too hot? That is laughable.
I challenge you to go try to hire any day workers. They do not work for peanuts.
They are not coming over the border to work for little money. They know the construction jobs are out there that have a high pay rate, and yes those are jobs that unemployeed americans can and want to do.
Dying in the heat - coming here illegally or legally shouldn't be a death sentence.
Yes, I do think that. This is why the bulk of migrant farm workers are of latino descent in the southwest and California. They are willing to do the work where the majority of Americans would not. Americans would rather take a government hand out then perform manual labor such as working out in the fields.
When I was a kid, I worked for one of the major seed companies doing roguing and I was paid minimum wage to be out in the fields no matter the weather conditions. I worked from dawn till dusk and it was hard, back breaking work. To this day, labor such as this is still minimum wage with more and more of the workforce being replaced by migrant farm workers. I challenge you to work a summer out in the fields and let me know if the pay is worth the amount of manual labor you have to expend.
They come over the border to work for any type of money no matter how much or how little. The bulk of their money goes back to their families in Mexico. When I was much, much younger, I've known illegals that 10-12 of them share an apartment just so they can send the money home. Check the exchange rate of dollars to pesos sometime. I just checked it and for 1 USD=12.81 Pesos. With the standard of living far lower in Mexico than in the US, the minimum/below minimum wage US jobs will allow a family to live comfortably for an entire year in Mexico. The entire point of all this is that these illegals aren't here to make a living here in the US, but to make a living for their families still in Mexico.
Yes, I do think that. This is why the bulk of migrant farm workers are of latino descent in the southwest and California. They are willing to do the work where the majority of Americans would not. Americans would rather take a government hand out then perform manual labor such as working out in the fields.
When I was a kid, I worked for one of the major seed companies doing roguing and I was paid minimum wage to be out in the fields no matter the weather conditions. I worked from dawn till dusk and it was hard, back breaking work. To this day, labor such as this is still minimum wage with more and more of the workforce being replaced by migrant farm workers. I challenge you to work a summer out in the fields and let me know if the pay is worth the amount of manual labor you have to expend.
They come over the border to work for any type of money no matter how much or how little. The bulk of their money goes back to their families in Mexico. When I was much, much younger, I've known illegals that 10-12 of them share an apartment just so they can send the money home. Check the exchange rate of dollars to pesos sometime. I just checked it and for 1 USD=12.81 Pesos. With the standard of living far lower in Mexico than in the US, the minimum/below minimum wage US jobs will allow a family to live comfortably for an entire year in Mexico. The entire point of all this is that these illegals aren't here to make a living here in the US, but to make a living for their families still in Mexico.
You commented on construction jobs which is what I was answering then you switched to field work.
You cannot compare the two.
Construction jobs do not pay minimum wage.
The things you need to live are not any cheaper in Mexico, where I live right now, than in the US.
Gasoline is 8.36 pesos per liter which works out to $2.54 per gallon for regular.
Food in a super market costs the same or more than the US, shipping costs make the difference.
Housing costs are alot less, and even though car insurance is required virtually nobody has it.
The family has to pay for everything for the child to go to school including paying the school. The govt pays nothing.
What you have is, generally speaking, the losers going across the border. You do not have lawyers or engineers crossing the border to work in the US.
After all is said and done they will make the same money here for their family and they will be with their kids but since they are losers, they don't understand simple mathamaticas.
IF you are going to a¿talk about contruction jobs that i fine but you cannot compare construction jobs to field work.
Have you ever seen the show called Bait Car?
A car is left on the street with the keys in it and if somebody steals it they get arrested.
What you just said is that the police are responsible for the theft for leaving the keys in the car and the criminal that stole the car has no responsibility in the transaction.
How does that make any sense?
You think business is allowing the illegals to come to the US?
How do you figure that?
If they don't want to die in the desert, they should stay home.
Their body, their choice, they're lucky I'm not allowed to plant land mines in the desert for them.
Ironically, the kindness of our now pussified society enables these horrific scenes to multiply
He wouldn't sue them unless he and his legal council saw rightful violations of the consitution concerning this law. He's a constiutional professor and lawyer, he's probably right and the courts will decide. You snicker now but trust me he's right on this issue and will win in court.
... Your 24 style scenarios don't exist in real life. Get over it. The best part about it is you make a thread on these people under such false pretenses...
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