Imagine you're a Doctor...

[Gordy327]

Another fetuses are not people blog.

They're not. That's simple fact.

 

[choiceone]

"I really can't tell you when personhood begins, but I can say with absolute certainty that there's no consensus among scientists."

So...theres that.

Regardless....we KNOW when life begins. Denial to justify your support of killing babies is irrelevant.

You're nothing but a shallow ignorant lay person. If you want to be less shallow and less ignorant, then say that you know when the life begins of a human or more than one human with distinctive DNA.

At "conception," all that is made is a zygote, which grows into a blastocyst that implants. You still don't know if it is twins or triplets, and even if it is, you don't know how many persons there will be.

When a woman gives birth to twins, there can be one genetic code but two bodies that house two persons. If she gives birth to conjoined twins with only one body, if it has only one functional head, there is only one person, and if there are two functional heads, there are two persons. This is only determined at birth.

This isn't denial to justify abortion (which is not killing babies). This is the objective empirical fact.

 

[BahamaBob]

They're not. That's simple fact.

Only for those who make up their own facts.

 

[Gordy327]

Only for those who make up their own facts.

No, its legal fact. The unborn are not legally considered persons. I defy you to prove otherwise!

 

[VanceMack]

You're nothing but a shallow ignorant lay person. If you want to be less shallow and less ignorant, then say that you know when the life begins of a human or more than one human with distinctive DNA.

At "conception," all that is made is a zygote, which grows into a blastocyst that implants. You still don't know if it is twins or triplets, and even if it is, you don't know how many persons there will be.

When a woman gives birth to twins, there can be one genetic code but two bodies that house two persons. If she gives birth to conjoined twins with only one body, if it has only one functional head, there is only one person, and if there are two functional heads, there are two persons. This is only determined at birth.

This isn't denial to justify abortion (which is not killing babies). This is the objective empirical fact.

You are a crack up. YOU cited an article...and I posted the quotes FROM your article that shows how stupid your argument is.

I get it...you know how inhuman your position is and you REALLY hate having the inhuman nature of your position exposed...hence the personal attack.

 

[BahamaBob]

No, its legal fact. The unborn are not legally considered persons. I defy you to prove otherwise!

State Fetal Homicide Laws​

Currently, at least 38 states have fetal homicide laws: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin. At least 29 states have fetal homicide laws that apply to the earliest stages of pregnancy ("any state of gestation/development," "conception," "fertilization" or "post-fertilization"); these are indicated below with an asterisk (*).

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[minnie616]

State Fetal Homicide Laws​

Currently, at least 38 states have fetal homicide laws: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin. At least 29 states have fetal homicide laws that apply to the earliest stages of pregnancy ("any state of gestation/development," "conception," "fertilization" or "post-fertilization"); these are indicated below with an asterisk (*).

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Those are state laws regarding states rights.
They do not give rights to the unborn.
States may protect non persons who have no rights.

Many states protect animals or birds but animals and birds have no rights.

 

[Gordy327]

State Fetal Homicide Laws​

Currently, at least 38 states have fetal homicide laws: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin. At least 29 states have fetal homicide laws that apply to the earliest stages of pregnancy ("any state of gestation/development," "conception," "fertilization" or "post-fertilization"); these are indicated below with an asterisk (*).

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Looks like Minnie616 beat me to the punch. Thank you Minnie

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I think you overestimate the number of OB/GYNs that will be so sad they cant kill babies that they will leave a state. As it is, there are already a very small number that actually do kill babies.

"Only 5 out of 100 obstetricians/gynecologists are now willing to perform abortions"

Most of the killings are done in abortion centers masquerading as 'Planned Parenthood" offices.

but hey...if they want to go...they should absolutely go. California still allows on demand killing. Lots of other places to chose from.

OB/GYNs know the truth about abortion doctors, which is that they’re freaks and usually creepy people. Abortionists are nearly always low performing people who are morally compromised, which is why you almost never see abortion doctors in public debates about abortion, the media doesn’t want you to see them

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Only for the mother. Anti-choicers don't want the father to bear any punishment for the unwanted pregnancy.

Which is irrelevant to the morality of killing babies, but it’s not even true

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I think you are grossly misinformed

Ob-gyns slam Dobbs ruling overturning constitutional right to abortion

One group is especially disappointed with the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling Friday in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, which overturns the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision that protected abortion rights under the Constitution: ob-gyns, who may now face prosecution for treating their patients.

ca.news.yahoo.com

OB/GYNs are rethinking their careers post-Roe, signaling that the doctor shortage could get even worse | Fortune

'It’s going to be a bad time for patients in these restricted states,' says one doctor who left Texas following last year's Heartbeat Act

fortune.com

Roe v. Wade: Medical Groups React to Supreme Court Decision

Doctors' groups were quick to respond to the ruling by the US Supreme Court that overturned Roe v. Wade.

www.medscape.com

Corporate propaganda

 

[weaver2]

OB/GYNs know the truth about abortion doctors, which is that they’re freaks and usually creepy people. Abortionists are nearly always low performing people who are morally compromised, which is why you almost never see abortion doctors in public debates about abortion, the media doesn’t want you to see them

Abortion doctors are not low performing. They are medical doctors with a speciality in OB/GYN. They are not morally compromised they have made a difficult commitment to serve women's needs in spite of knowing that they will be harassed by the ignorant religious conservatives. The reason you do not see them in public is because their lives are in constant danger lunatics.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Abortion doctors are not low performing. They are medical doctors with a speciality in OB/GYN.

The lowest performing of that cohort. Like Patrick Chavis, the actual affirmative action candidate for medical school who was given Allan Bakke’s seat before Bakke won his Supreme Court case, or Kermit Gosnell.

They are not morally compromised they have made a difficult commitment to serve women's needs in

….. blah blah blah

The reason you do not see them in public is because their lives are in constant danger lunatics.

Lol. No, it’s because they’re freaks.

 

[Callen]

The lowest performing of that cohort. Like Patrick Chavis, the actual affirmative action candidate for medical school who was given Allan Bakke’s seat before Bakke won his Supreme Court case, or Kermit Gosnell.

….. blah blah blah

Lol. No, it’s because they’re freaks.

I'm going to guess that your personal interactions with OB/GYN's are fairly limited.

 

[weaver2]

The lowest performing of that cohort. Like Patrick Chavis, the actual affirmative action candidate for medical school who was given Allan Bakke’s seat before Bakke won his Supreme Court case, or Kermit Gosnell.

….. blah blah blah

Lol. No, it’s because they’re freaks.

Adam Lanza and Nick Cruz are to typical gun owners as Patrick Chavis and Kermit Gosnell are to typical abortion providers.

 

[minnie616]

Adam Lanza and Nick Cruz are to typical gun owners as Patrick Chavis and Kermit Gosnell are to typical abortion providers.

I agree.
In fact , according to a grand jury report published in 2011, kermit Gosnell was not an obstetrician or a gynecologist.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I'm going to guess that your personal interactions with OB/GYN's are fairly limited.

Lol. No argument. Not surprised

 

[minnie616]

Adam Lanza and Nick Cruz are to typical gun owners as Patrick Chavis and Kermit Gosnell are to typical abortion providers.

I agree.
In fact , according to a grand jury report published in 2011, kermit Gosnell was not an obstetrician or a gynecologist.

I would like to add to add that when the clinc ( where Kermit Gosnell worked ) first opened the clinic had a certified
OB/GYN pm staff.