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Imagine if the race of the doctor made your baby three times more likely not to survive

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Imagine the following:

You, as white people, learn that if the doctor is black, your newborn is three times more likely not to survive than if the doctor is white. But black babies survive similarly with any race of the doctor.

Would you happily use a black doctor knowing that?

Now, for the actual facts reported: black newborns are three times more likely not to survive if the doctor is white, but white babies are equally likely to survive regardless of the doctor's race.

You expect black parents to happily use a white doctor knowing that? Would you have been ready to attack those black parents as crazy racists before considering how you would feel? Were you ready to attack the quality of black doctors, until learning the actual situation, and did you now attack the quality of white doctors?

Black newborns 3 times more likely to die when looked after by White doctors - CNN
 

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Imagine the following:

You, as white people, learn that if the doctor is black, your newborn is three times more likely not to survive than if the doctor is white. But black babies survive similarly with any race of the doctor.

Would you happily use a black doctor knowing that?

Now, for the actual facts reported: black newborns are three times more likely not to survive if the doctor is white, but white babies are equally likely to survive regardless of the doctor's race.

You expect black parents to happily use a white doctor knowing that? Would you have been ready to attack those black parents as crazy racists before considering how you would feel? Were you ready to attack the quality of black doctors, until learning the actual situation, and did you now attack the quality of white doctors?

Black newborns 3 times more likely to die when looked after by White doctors - CNN

Without further illustrative information behind the cases leading to infant death, it would sound like a lot of white doctors are undeserving of their medical licenses.
 

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Imagine the following:

You, as white people, learn that if the doctor is black, your newborn is three times more likely not to survive than if the doctor is white. But black babies survive similarly with any race of the doctor.

Would you happily use a black doctor knowing that?

Now, for the actual facts reported: black newborns are three times more likely not to survive if the doctor is white, but white babies are equally likely to survive regardless of the doctor's race.

You expect black parents to happily use a white doctor knowing that? Would you have been ready to attack those black parents as crazy racists before considering how you would feel? Were you ready to attack the quality of black doctors, until learning the actual situation, and did you now attack the quality of white doctors?

Black newborns 3 times more likely to die when looked after by White doctors - CNN
Sounds like white mothers do better job at prenatal care than black mothers do

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Imagine the following:

You, as white people, learn that if the doctor is black, your newborn is three times more likely not to survive than if the doctor is white. But black babies survive similarly with any race of the doctor.

Would you happily use a black doctor knowing that?

Now, for the actual facts reported: black newborns are three times more likely not to survive if the doctor is white, but white babies are equally likely to survive regardless of the doctor's race.

You expect black parents to happily use a white doctor knowing that? Would you have been ready to attack those black parents as crazy racists before considering how you would feel? Were you ready to attack the quality of black doctors, until learning the actual situation, and did you now attack the quality of white doctors?

Black newborns 3 times more likely to die when looked after by White doctors - CNN

I did some research when proposing measures to reduce black infant mortality in my state. The overwhelming factor behind black infant mortality is that pregnant black women are on the average in poorer health and have poorer health practices than the average pregnant woman of another race.
 

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The study gave no reasons for the mortality disparity.

Would you assume there was a good reason so no problem? It'd be good to get a reason, but I'd expect people to be concerned.
 

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Would you assume there was a good reason so no problem? It'd be good to get a reason, but I'd expect people to be concerned.

If there is a good reason(s), I would certainly like to hear it.

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The overwhelming factor behind black infant mortality is that pregnant black women are on the average in poorer health and have poorer health practices than the average pregnant woman of another race.

Even if true, that doesn't explain the disparity in results depending on the race of the OBGyn.
 

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Would you assume there was a good reason so no problem? It'd be good to get a reason, but I'd expect people to be concerned.
It would be great to have a vaild reason instead of insinuating the doctor's race has any significant impact.

This from. The CDC
Improving Pregnancy Outcomes for African American Women | Health Equity Features | CDC

Conditions such as weakened heart muscle, thrombotic pulmonary embolism, and high blood pressure contributed to a significantly higher proportion of pregnancy-related deaths among African American women than among white women.
So if one was looking for an explanation one could hypothesize the pre-existing conditions of the mother that influences her survival rate during birth also correlate to the survival rate of newborns.


That wouldn't be as useful to thw institutional racism narrative so instead you get headlines like the one from CNN
 

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Even if true, that doesn't explain the disparity in results depending on the race of the OBGyn.

The righties rush to try to blame the black women, oblivious to the illogic as if black doctors get healthier patients. It doesn't matter how healthy the black women are, when the race of the doctor has a very different result. Their argument is idiotic and racially motivated.
 

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Imagine the following:

You, as white people, learn that if the doctor is black, your newborn is three times more likely not to survive than if the doctor is white. But black babies survive similarly with any race of the doctor.

Would you happily use a black doctor knowing that?

Now, for the actual facts reported: black newborns are three times more likely not to survive if the doctor is white, but white babies are equally likely to survive regardless of the doctor's race.

You expect black parents to happily use a white doctor knowing that? Would you have been ready to attack those black parents as crazy racists before considering how you would feel? Were you ready to attack the quality of black doctors, until learning the actual situation, and did you now attack the quality of white doctors?

Black newborns 3 times more likely to die when looked after by White doctors - CNN
Was the study corrected for the the ratio of black Drs. vs white Drs? If there is a huge difference in races of baby doctors it could well explain that disparity. What about the health of the mother and the quality of pre-natal care. Some 70% of black babies are born to single mothers vs about 30% of white babies - that could also be significant.
 
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If there is a good reason(s), I would certainly like to hear it.



Even if true, that doesn't explain the disparity in results depending on the race of the OBGyn.

Figure 18. Percentage of all active physicians by race/ethnicity, 2018 | AAMC

According to the AAMC 56% or roughly 516,304 of practicing doc's are white compared to 14% or 45,534 that are African American. Those figures roughly equate to a little less than there being there times the number of white doctors verses African American. If you took numbers African American doc's and scaled it up to equal those of white doctors and then compared mortality rates of infants then I think we would have a more accurate indication of if race of the doc is really a factor or it is more equal.
 
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Imagine the following:

You, as white people, learn that if the doctor is black, your newborn is three times more likely not to survive than if the doctor is white. But black babies survive similarly with any race of the doctor.

Would you happily use a black doctor knowing that?

Now, for the actual facts reported: black newborns are three times more likely not to survive if the doctor is white, but white babies are equally likely to survive regardless of the doctor's race.

You expect black parents to happily use a white doctor knowing that? Would you have been ready to attack those black parents as crazy racists before considering how you would feel? Were you ready to attack the quality of black doctors, until learning the actual situation, and did you now attack the quality of white doctors?

Black newborns 3 times more likely to die when looked after by White doctors - CNN

First, they interpreted the study wrong, it’s twice, not three times the difference between different doctors.

Second, there is likely some factor not accounted for here, like really high risk deliveries getting assigned to a specialist which is more often white, or something like that. Where as a black doctor is more likely to handle more routine delivery/pregnancy.
 

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Imagine the following:

You, as white people, learn that if the doctor is black, your newborn is three times more likely not to survive than if the doctor is white. But black babies survive similarly with any race of the doctor.

Would you happily use a black doctor knowing that?

Now, for the actual facts reported: black newborns are three times more likely not to survive if the doctor is white, but white babies are equally likely to survive regardless of the doctor's race.

You expect black parents to happily use a white doctor knowing that? Would you have been ready to attack those black parents as crazy racists before considering how you would feel? Were you ready to attack the quality of black doctors, until learning the actual situation, and did you now attack the quality of white doctors?

Black newborns 3 times more likely to die when looked after by White doctors - CNN

What a bunch of crap. So you are accusing white doctors of killing black babies. I guess you must be adding in the babies killed in the womb by abortion doctors. Do you have any numbers on the amount of black deaths by black shooters, or the amount of white deaths by black shooters. I'm so tired of hearing this kind of bulls***. To make an assertion that white doctors do not care for black babies.
 

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We had a black labor and delivery doctor who lost so many babies and a few moms in such a short period of time his license was suspended and he was facing a criminal investigation when he accidentally fell from a roof to his death. I doubt his race had anything to do with either end of that story though.
 

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Imagine the following:

You, as white people, learn that if the doctor is black, your newborn is three times more likely not to survive than if the doctor is white. But black babies survive similarly with any race of the doctor.

Would you happily use a black doctor knowing that?

Now, for the actual facts reported: black newborns are three times more likely not to survive if the doctor is white, but white babies are equally likely to survive regardless of the doctor's race.

You expect black parents to happily use a white doctor knowing that? Would you have been ready to attack those black parents as crazy racists before considering how you would feel? Were you ready to attack the quality of black doctors, until learning the actual situation, and did you now attack the quality of white doctors?

Black newborns 3 times more likely to die when looked after by White doctors - CNN

This is a classic blood libel.
 

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Imagine the following:

You, as white people, learn that if the doctor is black, your newborn is three times more likely not to survive than if the doctor is white. But black babies survive similarly with any race of the doctor.

Would you happily use a black doctor knowing that?

Now, for the actual facts reported: black newborns are three times more likely not to survive if the doctor is white, but white babies are equally likely to survive regardless of the doctor's race.

You expect black parents to happily use a white doctor knowing that? Would you have been ready to attack those black parents as crazy racists before considering how you would feel? Were you ready to attack the quality of black doctors, until learning the actual situation, and did you now attack the quality of white doctors?

Black newborns 3 times more likely to die when looked after by White doctors - CNN

All you have to do is look at the source of this garbage - CNN. That says it all.
 

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Imagine the following:

You, as white people, learn that if the doctor is black, your newborn is three times more likely not to survive than if the doctor is white. But black babies survive similarly with any race of the doctor.

Would you happily use a black doctor knowing that?

Now, for the actual facts reported: black newborns are three times more likely not to survive if the doctor is white, but white babies are equally likely to survive regardless of the doctor's race.

You expect black parents to happily use a white doctor knowing that? Would you have been ready to attack those black parents as crazy racists before considering how you would feel? Were you ready to attack the quality of black doctors, until learning the actual situation, and did you now attack the quality of white doctors?

Black newborns 3 times more likely to die when looked after by White doctors - CNN


Black women on a whole live much more unhealthy lifestyles than white women, especially during pregnancy. Smoking, drinking, DRUGS, and other factors play into this. Not to mention havign far less prenatal care than white women, problems which could have been avoided before the 9th month are not addressed.

When people like you assume that the issue is only due to skin color, and not due to LIFE CHOICES, then all you are doing is playing the typical liberal blame game.
 

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It would be interesting to know whether they identified and controlled for any potential confounding factors, but the paper is behind a paywall.

By the way, you're presentation of the paper's finding is misleading. It doesn't say that the mortality rate is 3 times worse for black babies if the doctor is white compared to if the doctor is black.

What it says is that the infant mortality rate of black babies cared for by white doctors is 3 times higher than the mortality rate for white babies.

The overall mortality rate for black babies is 2.3 times higher than it is for white babies (for doctors of any color).
 

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Imagine the following:

You, as white people, learn that if the doctor is black, your newborn is three times more likely not to survive than if the doctor is white. But black babies survive similarly with any race of the doctor.

Would you happily use a black doctor knowing that?

Now, for the actual facts reported: black newborns are three times more likely not to survive if the doctor is white, but white babies are equally likely to survive regardless of the doctor's race.

You expect black parents to happily use a white doctor knowing that? Would you have been ready to attack those black parents as crazy racists before considering how you would feel? Were you ready to attack the quality of black doctors, until learning the actual situation, and did you now attack the quality of white doctors?

Black newborns 3 times more likely to die when looked after by White doctors - CNN

Yes it is well known that white doctors like to murder black babies.
 

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Mortality for infants is low for any race of doctor or baby. So 3 times more is still low. And poverty increases all kinds of sickness and mortality.

So this is pretty meaningless.
 

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All you have to do is look at the source of this garbage - CNN. That says it all.

CNN is a fine resource, reporting the study. Do you want people talking about 'all you have to is look at the source of jcgriff's posts' like that? That's where you're headed with such unjustified attacks.
 

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Yes it is well known that white doctors like to murder black babies.

Or they do not go to the levels of care that they do for white babies

Ie 5 months premature getting around the clock care at thousands of dollars a day
 

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CNN was obviously trying to prove systemic racism. But the report is full of confounds and therefore meaningless.
 

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Or they do not go to the levels of care that they do for white babies

Ie 5 months premature getting around the clock care at thousands of dollars a day

Do you have any evidence that levels of care are being withheld at any significant rate depending on race?
 

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Do you have any evidence that levels of care are being withheld at any significant rate depending on race?


I am guessing based on the stats provided.

i do not think white doctors are killing black babies, but the stats say something is different when they are being cared for by white doctors.

A logical reason in a for profit medical environment is withholding extreme medical care in some situations and not others. Ie black vs white babies. While black doctors it would appear provide the same level of care on averag

Ie Death panels
 
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