I'm Still Looking for Global Warming Science[W:523]

[Threegoofs]

Have you a problem with actual facts?

You have not posted any quotes which talk about effects that have already happened. Stop saying things that are clearly not true.

The link was posted. Sorry it has too many words for you.

 

[Tim the plumber]

The link was posted. Sorry it has too many words for you.

If I was being challenged to produce the evidence of my words I would see it as a golden opportunity to do so and thus win the argument. that you utterly fail to do says it all.

 

[Threegoofs]

If I was being challenged to produce the evidence of my words I would see it as a golden opportunity to do so and thus win the argument. that you utterly fail to do says it all.

Asks for evidence.

Gets evidence.

Complains there is too much evidence and only wants a little bit.

Is told that the evidence is important when seen comprehensively.

Does not like answer, ****s on chessboard, claims victory.

 

[Earthling]

The crisis level of global warming is directly proportionate to the amount of global warming study funding.

That's all the science you need to know.

There once was a time when that wasn't true.

 

[Nilly]

Agreed, nor does your religion.

No but a degree would

I don't think you comprehend the idea of letting me worry about that.

Your approach to this is kind of like watching a 5 year old carry out jet plane maintenance, so sorry, but this is something that the grown ups are, naturally, worried about.

You have no clue about basic physics.

Black bodies radiate heat more than white bodies and they absorb heat more than white bodies. The same body with a different coloring on it at the same temperature will radiate more heat if it's darker. Soot is a lot darker than ice.

Easy and basic.

Are you trying to bring black bodies into this?

 

[Tim the plumber]

Asks for evidence.

Gets evidence.

Complains there is too much evidence and only wants a little bit.

Is told that the evidence is important when seen comprehensively.

Does not like answer, ****s on chessboard, claims victory.

Asks for evidence, gets a link.

Read the link a bit. No evidence appears.

Asks for a clarification of exactly what the link has to do with the evidence requested.

Gets a long multi-post tantrum.

Not surprised 3Sheep always has this way of debating.

 

[Tim the plumber]

No but a degree would



Your approach to this is kind of like watching a 5 year old carry out jet plane maintenance, so sorry, but this is something that the grown ups are, naturally, worried about.



Are you trying to bring black bodies into this?

That would be why it's called black body radiation. You should read the link and then you will understand why the amount of soot is critical when modeling the climate in the snow zones.

 

[IB daMann]

That would be why it's called black body radiation. You should read the link and then you will understand why the amount of soot is critical when modeling the climate in the snow zones.

So you have a climate model that explains all the way down to the level of how soot fits in? Awesome! Could I get that model from you?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Asks for evidence, gets a link.

Read the link a bit. No evidence appears.

Asks for a clarification of exactly what the link has to do with the evidence requested.

Gets a long multi-post tantrum.

Not surprised 3Sheep always has this way of debating.

Yep.

I get really tired of asking for clarification, and never getting it. At some point, it's best to give up on lost causes.

 

[Tim the plumber]

So you have a climate model that explains all the way down to the level of how soot fits in? Awesome! Could I get that model from you?

If albedo is not included it would not be much of a model.

All the climate models include it because the supposed tipping points they are desperate to find are generally linked to ice and snow melt.

 

[Lord of Planar]

That would be why it's called black body radiation. You should read the link and then you will understand why the amount of soot is critical when modeling the climate in the snow zones.

They don't understand how such a small amount can interact with the way light refracts through snow.

 

[Tim the plumber]

They don't understand how such a small amount can interact with the way light refracts through snow.

Yes, the lack of education and numeracy shows. There being a large difference between 0 and 0.001.

 

[IB daMann]

If albedo is not included it would not be much of a model.

I'm glad you brought up the concept of "albedo." I have a question on that.

Let's suppose I don't trust the wacko-leftist extremist who posted a completely invented albedo value on Wikipedia, is there a way I can verify earth's albedo myself without trusting some (politically-controlled) government agency?

 

[Nilly]

That would be why it's called black body radiation. You should read the link and then you will understand why the amount of soot is critical when modeling the climate in the snow zones.

Yes, the lack of education and numeracy shows.

The irony.

'Black bodies' don't literally refer to 'black things'. It's a model of emission of light (not reflection) by a body that does not reflect light. You can only use it when the emission of radiation by a source (in this case, our ice or snow) is only a function of the temperature of that source, not a function of light incident on that source.

 

[Threegoofs]

Asks for evidence, gets a link.

Read the link a bit. No evidence appears.

Asks for a clarification of exactly what the link has to do with the evidence requested.

Gets a long multi-post tantrum.

Not surprised 3Sheep always has this way of debating.

LOL.

Asks for evidence showing climate change has impacts.

Gets link with extensive evidence of impacts.

Says he sees nothing in link.

Classic.

 

[longview]

LOL.

Asks for evidence showing climate change has impacts.

Gets link with extensive evidence of impacts.

Says he sees nothing in link.

Classic.

If I stood on the steps of a University Library and told someone
that all the information is there to become a Doctor, Scientist, Engineer, ect,
I would be both technically correct, and have said nothing of value at the same time.

 

[IB daMann]

'Black bodies' don't literally refer to 'black things'. It's a model of emission of light (not reflection) by a body that does not reflect light. You can only use it when the emission of radiation by a source (in this case, our ice or snow) is only a function of the temperature of that source, not a function of light incident on that source.

I commend you. It's rare to find someone who actually understands black/greybody theory.

How were you convinced that Global Warming is real?

 

[Erod]

Just because thats all the science YOU know, doesnt mean other people cant understand it.

You're not the least bit interested in the science. You need it for the illusion of your ideological politics.

 

[Threegoofs]

If I stood on the steps of a University Library and told someone
that all the information is there to become a Doctor, Scientist, Engineer, ect,
I would be both technically correct, and have said nothing of value at the same time.

True. But if you handed someone a report that showed the same thing, a report that was a few dozen pages, wouldnt that be valuable? And what would you do if you did that, and the person said... 'but I just need one thing that will make me a doctor!'

You would treat them like the idiot they are.

I didnt link to Google. I linked to a very distinct website that answered the question in detail.

 

[Threegoofs]

You're not the least bit interested in the science. You need it for the illusion of your ideological politics.

Thanks for pretending you know both my interest in science and my ideological politics.

 

[IB daMann]

Thanks for pretending you know both my interest in science and my ideological politics.

You imagine that is a secret?

 

[Verax]

True. But if you handed someone a report that showed the same thing, a report that was a few dozen pages, wouldnt that be valuable? And what would you do if you did that, and the person said... 'but I just need one thing that will make me a doctor!'

You would treat them like the idiot they are.

I didnt link to Google. I linked to a very distinct website that answered the question in detail.

I casually perused the different categories, it took like 5 minutes to skim through everything. Its not like you just linked to a homepage and claimed the info was in there somewhere. It was right god damn there, lol, and brief!

These absurdities would not be tolerated in any other circumstance.

I wonder if he needs to be walked hand in hand back to the milk in the grocery store.

 

[Nilly]

I commend you. It's rare to find someone who actually understands black/greybody theory.

How were you convinced that Global Warming is real?

I am (was) a physicist, not a climatologist, I haven't personally looked at much evidence because the amount of information you need to draw conclusions from it is staggering. I wouldn't expect a climatologist to come to conclusions about physics phenomena based on my recordings. Explaining actual science to laymen is an absolute b*tch, and the kind of graphs that get bandied around blogs/news channels are gross oversimplifications of the big picture. I didn't spend much time in academia, but I did spend enough time to know that the very idea of some kind of global scientific conspiracy is absolutely absurd. 'Science' is not immune to corruption but integrity is absolutely prized at every level. I remember at college, shifting a few points within my error bounds to get a better fit, and getting absolutely destroyed by my tutor for doing it.

My trust in science is not faith. Faith is not based on evidence, my trust is. The scientific community have delivered again and again and again over history, more than any political party or organization. And lets think about it, either the scientific community is trying to peddle AGW, or the fossil fuel community is trying to discredit it. Which one of these options do you think is more likely? Which one has more lobbyists in Washington? Which one is more concerned with the profit motive? Which one is more concerned about leaving a better planet?

 

[SlevinKelevra]

In a world of competition, I rest easier knowing your students are out there giving my children a competitive advantage.

not sure how you come to that conclusion.

anyone with an IQ above 70 should be able to spit out a crappy plot in Excel.
of course, because it's 'idiot proof', its functionality is quite limited; hence its output.

 

[IB daMann]

I casually perused the different categories, it took like 5 minutes to skim through everything. Its not like you just linked to a homepage and claimed the info was in there somewhere. It was right god damn there, lol, and brief!

These absurdities would not be tolerated in any other circumstance.

I wonder if he needs to be walked hand in hand back to the milk in the grocery store.

No, you are lying again. If one claims to be linking to something, the subject matter needs to be at the other end of the link. No searching is to be required. Threegoofs could have easily provided step-by-step instructions on where to find the subject matter in question, or better yet, he could have simply provided the correct link. When one fails to provide the correct link or a detailed location, it usually means the subject matter doesn't really exist and that the poster is prepping the excuse "Sheesh, you didn't search enough because you're lazy, and I provided the information, and you didn't search."

That tactic doesn't work in any industry or academia.