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I'm shocked!

Trump knows everything he is the smartestest person in the whole world
Seems that DeSantis's stellar leadership has created a state which did not lockdown, has a booming economy, people moving out of the failed states like Calif and New York, people are on the beach laughing and happy, and..,,,

Oh, WAIT> Far left-wingers hate happiness. My bad
 
This is a fellow that felt he was emasculated by wearing a mask...lets not be surprised by what he finds fearful
Tell me why.
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Who knows why you say and believe the things you do.?
They certainly are not based in reality.
 
Tell me why.
Who knows why you say and believe the things you do.?
They certainly are not based in reality.
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No. Why I should get a vaccine that could kill me.
 
Seems that DeSantis's stellar leadership has created a state which did not lockdown, has a booming economy, people moving out of the failed states like Calif and New York, people are on the beach laughing and happy, and..,,,

Oh, WAIT> Far left-wingers hate happiness. My bad
Still no attempt to actually back up your claims just attempted insults
 
Why? Does he have some medical qualifications or experience?
Seems that DeSantis's stellar leadership has created a state which did not lockdown, has a booming economy, people moving out of the failed states like Calif and New York, people are on the beach laughing and happy, and..,,,

Oh, WAIT> Far left-wingers hate happiness. My bad

I can walk far and not fall off the edge of the Earth.

See? Proof that scientists are all far leftists who hate happiness! 😁
 
Why? Does he have some medical qualifications or experience?
Why in the word would I need one when I gave you the facts? We need to get out f this insane tribal mentality from our past where we automatically believe those "in authority" like we did witch doctors.
 
I can walk far and not fall off the edge of the Earth.

See? Proof that scientists are all far leftists who hate happiness! 😁
It's just the left lives in such fear and self-loathing. Very dour and down. Kinda like some pimply-faced teen who doesn't like the opposite sex and thinks the world sucks.
 
Why in the word would I need one when I gave you the facts? We need to get out f this insane tribal mentality from our past where we automatically believe those "in authority" like we did witch doctors.

Scientific recommendations are made based on extensive, painstaking experience and observations by numerous observers around the world. Witch doctors just know stuff because they tell us they glimpse the spiritual realm and just know stuff-because they are like, so smart. Stable geniuses, you might say.

Which do you identify with?
 
It's just the left lives in such fear and self-loathing. Very dour and down. Kinda like some pimply-faced teen who doesn't like the opposite sex and thinks the world sucks.

Watch out those illegal immigrants are coming’ for yer women! 🤣
 
Why in the word would I need one when I gave you the facts? We need to get out f this insane tribal mentality from our past where we automatically believe those "in authority" like we did witch doctors.

Facts are that car accident deaths were going down before seat belts too. Should we all just stop wearing seat belts too now so we don’t get accused of living in self fear and self loathing?
 
Still no attempt to actually back up your claims just attempted insults
How many times do I have to say it. The below copy and paste is my post #141. You will see that Florida is the eighth most densely populated state in the nation and has a death rate per million residents of about half that of New York. People are moving there for freedom.

I took some time to make a nice little chart for you. Hawaii has just 1.3 million people. As you see in the chart, some of the other states also have very few people in them. Naturally, the first numbers are the ranking of the state in population density per square mile and admittedly this is one key to consider when you talk about deaths per million because generally, the population density is a big factor in how many people will die per million or per 1,000. For instance, New Jersey takes the prize for seats per million and I show those in brackets and bolded such as (1), (2), etc. Not surprisingly then is the smallest state in the union, Rhode Island which has the 3rd highest population density and the second (2) highest death rate per capita, as well as Mass having the 3rd highest DPM and being the 4th most densely populated state.

The bolded None Republican signifies those states where there is no mask requirement. This is pure math and no cherry-picking which I am sure and others will do. However, I believe an honest review will leave anyone to conclude that the MATH shows little or NO benefit by those states where they require masks and/or who shut down the economy. I have only shown the highest population density for the first 10 states. As you will see, FLORIDA is number 8 on that list as far as density per square mile, requires no masks, is not shut down. Tell me again about masks "working".

1.) New Jersey: 263 per 100,000 people
Population: 8.9 million residents (1)

2.) New York: 244
Population: 19.4 million (7)

3.) Rhode Island: 239
Population: 1.1 million (2)

4.) Massachusetts: 236
Population: 6.9 million (3)

5.) Mississippi: 227 None Republican
Population: 3 million (32)

6.) Arizona: 221 None Republican
Population: 7.3 million (33)

7.) Connecticut: 215
Population: 3.6 million (4)

8.) South Dakota: 214 None Republican
Population: 884,659 (46)

9.) Louisiana: 208
Population: 4.6 million (23)

10.) Alabama: 205
Population: 4.9 million (27)

11.) North Dakota: 194 None Republican
Population: 762,062 (47)

12.) Pennsylvania: 189
Population: 12.8 million (9)

13.) Indiana: 188
Population: 6.7 million (16)

14.) Illinois: 180
Population: 12.7 million (12)

15.) New Mexico: 179
Population: 2.1 million (45)

16.) Iowa: 174 None Republican
Population: 3.2 million (36)

17.) Arkansas: 174
Population: 3 million (34)

18.) South Carolina: 167 None Republican
Population: 5.1 million (19)

19.) Tennessee: 166 None Republican
Population: 6.8 million (20)

20.) Michigan: 166
Population: 10 million (17)

21.) Kansas: 165
Population: 2.9 million (40)

22.) Nevada: 162
Population: 3.1 million (42)

23.) Georgia: 161 None Republican
Population: 10.6 million (18)

24.) Texas: 154 None Republican
Population: 30 million (26)

25.) Delaware: 148
Population: 973,764 (6)

26.) Florida: 146 None Republican
Population: 21.5 million (8)

27.) District of Columbia: 145
Population: 705,749

28.) Ohio: 143
Population: 11.7 million (10)

29.) Missouri: 140 None Republican
Population: 6.1 million (28)

30.) California: 134
Population: 39.5 million (11)

31.) Maryland: 131
Population: 6 million (5)

West Virginia: 129
Population: 1.8 million (29)

Montana: 129 None Republican
Population: 1.1 million (48)

Wisconsin: 121
Population: 5.8 million (24)

Wyoming: 118
Population: 578,759

Minnesota: 117
Population: 5.6 million

Oklahoma: 115 None Republican
Population: 4 million (35)

Nebraska: 114 None Republican
Population: 1.9 million (43)

Virginia: 109
Population: 8.5 million (14)

Kentucky: 109
Population: 4.5 million (22)

North Carolina: 109
Population: 10.5 million (15)

Colorado: 105
Population: 5.8 million (37)

Idaho: 105 None Republican
Population: 1.8 million (44)

New Hampshire: 86
Population: 1.4 million (21)

Washington: 67
Population: 7.6 million (25)

Utah: 61
Population: 3.2 million (41)

Oregon: 54
Population: 4.2 million (39)

Maine: 52
Population: 1.3 million (38)

Alaska: 40 None Republican
Population: 731,545

Vermont: 33
Population: 623,989

Hawaii: 31
Population: 1.4 million (13)
 
How many times do I have to say it. The below copy and paste is my post #141. You will see that Florida is the eighth most densely populated state in the nation and has a death rate per million residents of about half that of New York. People are moving there for freedom.

I took some time to make a nice little chart for you. Hawaii has just 1.3 million people. As you see in the chart, some of the other states also have very few people in them. Naturally, the first numbers are the ranking of the state in population density per square mile and admittedly this is one key to consider when you talk about deaths per million because generally, the population density is a big factor in how many people will die per million or per 1,000. For instance, New Jersey takes the prize for seats per million and I show those in brackets and bolded such as (1), (2), etc. Not surprisingly then is the smallest state in the union, Rhode Island which has the 3rd highest population density and the second (2) highest death rate per capita, as well as Mass having the 3rd highest DPM and being the 4th most densely populated state.

The bolded None Republican signifies those states where there is no mask requirement. This is pure math and no cherry-picking which I am sure and others will do. However, I believe an honest review will leave anyone to conclude that the MATH shows little or NO benefit by those states where they require masks and/or who shut down the economy. I have only shown the highest population density for the first 10 states. As you will see, FLORIDA is number 8 on that list as far as density per square mile, requires no masks, is not shut down. Tell me again about masks "working".

1.) New Jersey: 263 per 100,000 people
Population: 8.9 million residents (1)

2.) New York: 244
Population: 19.4 million (7)

3.) Rhode Island: 239
Population: 1.1 million (2)

4.) Massachusetts: 236
Population: 6.9 million (3)

5.) Mississippi: 227 None Republican
Population: 3 million (32)

6.) Arizona: 221 None Republican
Population: 7.3 million (33)

7.) Connecticut: 215
Population: 3.6 million (4)

8.) South Dakota: 214 None Republican
Population: 884,659 (46)

9.) Louisiana: 208
Population: 4.6 million (23)

10.) Alabama: 205
Population: 4.9 million (27)

11.) North Dakota: 194 None Republican
Population: 762,062 (47)

12.) Pennsylvania: 189
Population: 12.8 million (9)

13.) Indiana: 188
Population: 6.7 million (16)

14.) Illinois: 180
Population: 12.7 million (12)

15.) New Mexico: 179
Population: 2.1 million (45)

16.) Iowa: 174 None Republican
Population: 3.2 million (36)

17.) Arkansas: 174
Population: 3 million (34)

18.) South Carolina: 167 None Republican
Population: 5.1 million (19)

19.) Tennessee: 166 None Republican
Population: 6.8 million (20)

20.) Michigan: 166
Population: 10 million (17)

21.) Kansas: 165
Population: 2.9 million (40)

22.) Nevada: 162
Population: 3.1 million (42)

23.) Georgia: 161 None Republican
Population: 10.6 million (18)

24.) Texas: 154 None Republican
Population: 30 million (26)

25.) Delaware: 148
Population: 973,764 (6)

26.) Florida: 146 None Republican
Population: 21.5 million (8)

27.) District of Columbia: 145
Population: 705,749

28.) Ohio: 143
Population: 11.7 million (10)

29.) Missouri: 140 None Republican
Population: 6.1 million (28)

30.) California: 134
Population: 39.5 million (11)

31.) Maryland: 131
Population: 6 million (5)

West Virginia: 129
Population: 1.8 million (29)

Montana: 129 None Republican
Population: 1.1 million (48)

Wisconsin: 121
Population: 5.8 million (24)

Wyoming: 118
Population: 578,759

Minnesota: 117
Population: 5.6 million

Oklahoma: 115 None Republican
Population: 4 million (35)

Nebraska: 114 None Republican
Population: 1.9 million (43)

Virginia: 109
Population: 8.5 million (14)

Kentucky: 109
Population: 4.5 million (22)

North Carolina: 109
Population: 10.5 million (15)

Colorado: 105
Population: 5.8 million (37)

Idaho: 105 None Republican
Population: 1.8 million (44)

New Hampshire: 86
Population: 1.4 million (21)

Washington: 67
Population: 7.6 million (25)

Utah: 61
Population: 3.2 million (41)

Oregon: 54
Population: 4.2 million (39)

Maine: 52
Population: 1.3 million (38)

Alaska: 40 None Republican
Population: 731,545

Vermont: 33
Population: 623,989

Hawaii: 31
Population: 1.4 million (13)

Have you worked through the confounding variables?
 
Facts are that car accident deaths were going down before seat belts too. Should we all just stop wearing seat belts too now so we don’t get accused of living in self fear and self loathing?
Except, the facts are per my chart that death rates have gone UP in the states that require masks, so the analogy fails bigly.
 
Have you worked through the confounding variables?
No need to. Math don't lie. Other states that didn't shut down and institute draconian measures are doing well.

Moving the goalposts again. It's like me saying"prayer doesn't work' and you saying maybe God didn't want them to and did I consider that variable.

What variables do you have evidence of that are in play in Florida?
 
They will be sucking our economy dry.

Yeah no.

“Research shows that undocumented immigrants increase the size of the U.S. economy/contribute to economic growth, enhance the welfare of natives, contribute more in tax revenue than they collect, reduce American firms' incentives to offshore jobs and import foreign-produced goods, and benefit consumers by reducing the prices of goods and services.[1][2][3][4] Economists estimate that legalization of the undocumented immigrant population would increase the immigrants' earnings and consumption considerably, and increase U.S. gross domestic product.”

You really would benefit from looking at data more and relying less on your dour and fearful feelings.
 
How many times do I have to say it. The below copy and paste is my post #141. You will see that Florida is the eighth most densely populated state in the nation and has a death rate per million residents of about half that of New York. People are moving there for freedom.

I took some time to make a nice little chart for you. Hawaii has just 1.3 million people. As you see in the chart, some of the other states also have very few people in them. Naturally, the first numbers are the ranking of the state in population density per square mile and admittedly this is one key to consider when you talk about deaths per million because generally, the population density is a big factor in how many people will die per million or per 1,000. For instance, New Jersey takes the prize for seats per million and I show those in brackets and bolded such as (1), (2), etc. Not surprisingly then is the smallest state in the union, Rhode Island which has the 3rd highest population density and the second (2) highest death rate per capita, as well as Mass having the 3rd highest DPM and being the 4th most densely populated state.

The bolded None Republican signifies those states where there is no mask requirement. This is pure math and no cherry-picking which I am sure and others will do. However, I believe an honest review will leave anyone to conclude that the MATH shows little or NO benefit by those states where they require masks and/or who shut down the economy. I have only shown the highest population density for the first 10 states. As you will see, FLORIDA is number 8 on that list as far as density per square mile, requires no masks, is not shut down. Tell me again about masks "working".

1.) New Jersey: 263 per 100,000 people
Population: 8.9 million residents (1)

2.) New York: 244
Population: 19.4 million (7)

3.) Rhode Island: 239
Population: 1.1 million (2)

4.) Massachusetts: 236
Population: 6.9 million (3)

5.) Mississippi: 227 None Republican
Population: 3 million (32)

6.) Arizona: 221 None Republican
Population: 7.3 million (33)

7.) Connecticut: 215
Population: 3.6 million (4)

8.) South Dakota: 214 None Republican
Population: 884,659 (46)

9.) Louisiana: 208
Population: 4.6 million (23)

10.) Alabama: 205
Population: 4.9 million (27)

11.) North Dakota: 194 None Republican
Population: 762,062 (47)

12.) Pennsylvania: 189
Population: 12.8 million (9)

13.) Indiana: 188
Population: 6.7 million (16)

14.) Illinois: 180
Population: 12.7 million (12)

15.) New Mexico: 179
Population: 2.1 million (45)

16.) Iowa: 174 None Republican
Population: 3.2 million (36)

17.) Arkansas: 174
Population: 3 million (34)

18.) South Carolina: 167 None Republican
Population: 5.1 million (19)

19.) Tennessee: 166 None Republican
Population: 6.8 million (20)

20.) Michigan: 166
Population: 10 million (17)

21.) Kansas: 165
Population: 2.9 million (40)

22.) Nevada: 162
Population: 3.1 million (42)

23.) Georgia: 161 None Republican
Population: 10.6 million (18)

24.) Texas: 154 None Republican
Population: 30 million (26)

25.) Delaware: 148
Population: 973,764 (6)

26.) Florida: 146 None Republican
Population: 21.5 million (8)

27.) District of Columbia: 145
Population: 705,749

28.) Ohio: 143
Population: 11.7 million (10)

29.) Missouri: 140 None Republican
Population: 6.1 million (28)

30.) California: 134
Population: 39.5 million (11)

31.) Maryland: 131
Population: 6 million (5)

West Virginia: 129
Population: 1.8 million (29)

Montana: 129 None Republican
Population: 1.1 million (48)

Wisconsin: 121
Population: 5.8 million (24)

Wyoming: 118
Population: 578,759

Minnesota: 117
Population: 5.6 million

Oklahoma: 115 None Republican
Population: 4 million (35)

Nebraska: 114 None Republican
Population: 1.9 million (43)

Virginia: 109
Population: 8.5 million (14)

Kentucky: 109
Population: 4.5 million (22)

North Carolina: 109
Population: 10.5 million (15)

Colorado: 105
Population: 5.8 million (37)

Idaho: 105 None Republican
Population: 1.8 million (44)

New Hampshire: 86
Population: 1.4 million (21)

Washington: 67
Population: 7.6 million (25)

Utah: 61
Population: 3.2 million (41)

Oregon: 54
Population: 4.2 million (39)

Maine: 52
Population: 1.3 million (38)

Alaska: 40 None Republican
Population: 731,545

Vermont: 33
Population: 623,989

Hawaii: 31
Population: 1.4 million (13)
Still no attempt to actually back up your claims
What an waste you are
 
Except, the facts are per my chart that death rates have gone UP in the states that require masks, so the analogy fails bigly.

have you done confounding variables and cause-effect analyses? There are are very sophisticated ways to sort through all the factors involved.

Republican voting plays are usually isolated backwater places which are sparsely populated and no one really wants to visit. Does your analysis include that confounding variable?
 
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