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I'm a teacher. I carry a gun to school everyday.

ryzorsden said:
Yes. How many gunfights have you been in? And if a shooter were to enter your school, would you be capable of shooting the shooter alone?

Spoiler alert: If you haven't been in a gunfight before, then I do not trust your ability to defend yourself or anyone else with a gun.
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What usually occurs once an active shooter is faced with an armed vs. unarmed person?
 
spud_meister said:
Given that teachers face a greater than average rate of mental ill-health, are you willing to not take your gun to school if you begin to have mental health problems?
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I'll do what everyone does if they belong to a stressful profession...........I'll cope.

https://www.starlingminds.com/the-state-of-mental-health-in-us-educators/

Why Are More Educators Struggling with Mental Health?
We don’t need to look far to learn about the stress teachers face on a daily basis. It’s being broadcasted throughout every media outlet and citizens are crying out for help. Growing economic disparity, declining mental health in students, dwindling classroom resources and complicated class compositions are a few that you may have thought about. A report published by PennState University tells a similar story wherein the four main sources of stress for teachers are the:

Environmental Climate: Many teachers work in physical environments that lack strong leadership, healthy school cultures, and supportive relationships with colleagues. Research shows that when educators work in environments with strong principal leadership and collaborative collegial support, teachers will report higher job satisfaction and new teachers will stay in the profession longer.
Increasing Job Demands & Dwindling Autonomy: Increasing Job Demands & Dwindling Autonomy: Educators are faced with high stakes district and state testing for their students. This increases the pace of their work and limits the autonomy they have over teaching material. Occupational studies show that teachers score the lowest in feeling that their opinions count at work wherein nearly 1 in 3 of teachers rated very low job autonomy in 2012. Moreover, students are similarly facing mental health issues which often results in increased difficulties managing behavioral problems in the classroom. Working with challenging parents, the increasing threat of teacher termination, teacher safety, and school closures are icing on the cake.
Limited Social and Emotional Competence: Educators are not equipped with necessary training or support to effectively manage the growing stressors in their profession and it’s impacting student outcomes. Studies show that when low social-emotional competence (SEC) is combined, instruction declines and in some cases impacts student wellbeing and achievement.

As educator mental health declines, so too does their physical health. Amongst high school teachers in the U.S., 46% are diagnosed with excessive sleepiness and 51% with poor sleep quality. Due to chronic stress and physical exhaustion, teachers commonly show biologically abnormal cortisol activity and overactive adrenal glands otherwise known as adrenal fatigue. Another common term for this is stress ‘burn out’.
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TheParser said:
A shoutout to you.


Not only can some adult thug invade your library, but some middle school "children" are as dangerous as hell, too.


I know that you will use your gun only to protect your life or that of your students.



I assume, of course, that you work in a state that is not run by bleeding hearts.
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I live and work in a red state.
 
ryzorsden said:
This is one of my biggest pet-peeves with the pro gun people. They act as if they are the true saviors of this world. And half the time they own and carry guns in the hopes of being a hero.

One of these days that logic will bite you in the ass.
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Any man who's ever picked up a firearm wonders if he can take the life of another. I'll gladly go to my grave without ever finding out.

Having said that there have been numerous examples of teachers who have died shielding their students from gunmen. I can only hope that I am up to the task of protecting these children under my watch.
 
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Serenity said:
I can't relate to that. I don't live in a Country that has a gun culture or mass shootings at schools.

That being said, I'm not being critical of your decision at all. Please don't take it that way. If you feel you need to actually do that to stay safe and have the appropriate training and qualifications/permissions to do so, then that's up to you.
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The chances of a mass shooting on my campus are phenomenonally low. It's roughly the same as being struck by lightening. It can happen but...

This issue, like so many others, has been politicized in this country. Pity.
 
Rucker61 said:
But according to the point I responded to, none of our soldiers age 18-20 would be allowed to touch a gun.
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Oh, I see. OK. Yes. Once in the army you should be holding a gun now and again...

My personal position is that if the child is very responsible and at least 14 then with strong superevision and guidance, and to be honest, a better level of safety than I see in most Americans with guns situations, OK. Guns to be kept in a locked metal cabinate.... etc.
 
zsu2357 said:
Exactly how is that?

It's the children again,when in truth any job you would whine about it.

Do you understand the concept of concealed carry? Now while Dutch didn't specify concealed you can bet the chances are 99.99% that's the case.

Tell that to the parents of the Sante Fe shooting or Parkland shooting. Maybe they would applaud that decision.

Your kids your choice. Just because you prefer your kids don't have a chance because your afraid of guns dosen't mean everyone shares your beliefs.

Dutch: How many of your students know you carry concealed? Even though you didn't mention either way.

A 9mm or .45 can turn a middle schooled age kid into the 800 lb. gorilla in the room.
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None that I'm aware of. What's more they seem completely unconcerned about this issue.
 
Dutch said:
None that I'm aware of. What's more they seem completely unconcerned about this issue.
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My sons go to public school, and have had shooter drills. I've asked them how concerned they are about school shootings, and they said "not at all". Of course, I've showed them the data that shows that in the same time period 100 children were murdered at a K-12 school by someone with a gun, over 4,000 school age children were killed by cars while they were pedestrians, demonstrating that marching in protest of school shootings is likely more risky than being shot at school.
 
Fledermaus said:
What usually occurs once an active shooter is faced with an armed vs. unarmed person?
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According to the police who trained me is they........... mostly they stop (surrender or kill themselves). Apparently "most" of them are extreme narcissists. They don't like pain or discomfort.
 
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Dutch said:
According to the police who trained me is they........... mostly they stop (surrender or kill themselves). Apparently "most" of them are extreme narcissists. They don't like pain or discomfort.
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Correct answer.

Give the man a cigar!

That is why ThoughtEx refused to answer the question....
 
FreedomFromAll said:
What type of plan do you have? Have you talked to school officials about your plan? Have you ran your plan by law enforcement?
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In case of a school shooter on my campus I’m the designated shooter. It’s pretty simple.
 
If I were to CCW in my school I'd most definitely take a safety and training course though. If/when the real thing happens you'll have so much adrenaline going through your veins that you'll want your training to kick in automatically. The last thing you want is to fumble for your gun and accidently hit an innocent kid
 
Dutch said:
In case of a school shooter on my campus I’m the designated shooter. It’s pretty simple.
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That is not a plan FFS, its your position. Ok so you have a firearm, now what?

I realize that you have been arguing with anti-gun nuts up to this point or simply agreeing with like minded people. But you may not be aware that since you made a post entitled: I'm a teacher. I carry a gun to school everyday. and assert that you want to discuss the issue, that discussing the issue requires you to engage. I asked questions and you ignored them. Are you here to discuss as you claimed or just say crap? If you want support and not make a case for gun nuts you need to do better than just stating that you are the "designated shooter". Like what do you mean by designated shooter? Normally designated shooter is term law enforcement uses to describe what procedures they are using to keep every officer at a scene to keep from all shooting at the same target and emptying a combined 60 rounds into them.

Obviously you intended to assert that law enforcement knows not only that you are armed, but expects you to act. Ok. So are you going to leave your location and go to the gun fire or protect the students in your care? Remember that the OP seems to be you willing to discuss, if you do not want to...well then what is your point?
 
ryzorsden said:
Yes sir! I will buy into your bull**** and spend my money the way the gun manufacturers and the NRA want me to!

I'm sure you were "chided" by law enforcement. Do you have any proof of these 4 incidents? Or are you a liar like Turtedude?
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I dont want you to buy into anything. You should feel free to live and do as you please. I'm not the one that waded into the conversation making a bunch of stupid snarky comments...that was you. If you have your panties bunched over the response...well...too ****ing bad.

I truly dont give much of a **** about your 'opinion', so you can recognize that I have no interest in 'proving' anything to you. If you want to have a civil conversation about them, we can and you can make up your mind as to the validity of the situations. But in order for that to happen you would have to be capable of communicating in a manner not befitting a total ****ing douchebag.

So I dont see that happening anytime soon.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
That is not a plan FFS, its your position. Ok so you have a firearm, now what?

I realize that you have been arguing with anti-gun nuts up to this point or simply agreeing with like minded people. But you may not be aware that since you made a post entitled: I'm a teacher. I carry a gun to school everyday. and assert that you want to discuss the issue, that discussing the issue requires you to engage. I asked questions and you ignored them. Are you here to discuss as you claimed or just say crap? If you want support and not make a case for gun nuts you need to do better than just stating that you are the "designated shooter". Like what do you mean by designated shooter? Normally designated shooter is term law enforcement uses to describe what procedures they are using to keep every officer at a scene to keep from all shooting at the same target and emptying a combined 60 rounds into them.

Obviously you intended to assert that law enforcement knows not only that you are armed, but expects you to act. Ok. So are you going to leave your location and go to the gun fire or protect the students in your care? Remember that the OP seems to be you willing to discuss, if you do not want to...well then what is your point?
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I’m trained and tasked with engaging the shooter as quickly as feasible. If I have students at the time what I do with them depends upon a myriad of factors. I can go thru hypothetical situations but I’m not quite sure what the point would be.

Suffice it to say whatever I do, or don’t do, I will be roundly criticized for it.
 
Desert Storm said:
If I were to CCW in my school I'd most definitely take a safety and training course though. If/when the real thing happens you'll have so much adrenaline going through your veins that you'll want your training to kick in automatically. The last thing you want is to fumble for your gun and accidently hit an innocent kid
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I have. This was part of a comprehensive, and expensive, training program several of us went through.
 
Rich2018 said:
So was the school resources officer at Parkland.
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The difference is that the SRO at Parkland was safe outside, and the OP will be inside there the shooter is.
 
Rucker61 said:
What makes school shootings a problem? Can you quantify it?
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If I had to pick one thing that makes school shootings a problem, it's the dead and wounded they leave behind, not to mention the mental aspect it leaves on others watching your schoolmates get slaughtered.
 
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