Illegal Immigrant Awaiting Criminal Trial Wants 1st Amendment Rights Revoked For DOJ & DHS Officials

[iguanaman]

This isn't about immigrants it's about illegal aliens.

If they're accused of a crime and being a sentence to a penalty because of it or having to pay liability because of it.

So if someone is determined to be an illegal alien what would there be a trial for? It's a simple question let'splease try to answer it

This isn't about immigrants.

Yes it is...the word has nothing to do with legal status. Who is determining that a person is illegal? You?

An immigrant is a person who moves to live permanently in a country other than the one where they were born. This term describes individuals who have left their native land to settle in a new country, often seeking a better quality of life, new opportunities, or to join family.

Key points about immigrants:

• Origin: They were not born in the country where they are now living.
• Intent: The move is generally intended to be permanent.
• Status: Immigrants can have various legal statuses, and becoming a citizen is a possible outcome of the immigration process.
• Related terms: The term can also be described as a migrant or foreign-born person, and it is the opposite of an emigrant, who leaves their country.

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[CLAX1911]

Yes it is...the word has nothing to do with legal status. Who is determining that a person is illegal? You?

An immigrant is a person who moves to live permanently in a country other than the one where they were born. This term describes individuals who have left their native land to settle in a new country, often seeking a better quality of life, new opportunities, or to join family.

Key points about immigrants:

• Origin: They were not born in the country where they are now living.
• Intent: The move is generally intended to be permanent.
• Status: Immigrants can have various legal statuses, and becoming a citizen is a possible outcome of the immigration process.
• Related terms: The term can also be described as a migrant or foreign-born person, and it is the opposite of an emigrant, who leaves their country.

https://www.google.com/search?q=immigrants+definition&sca_esv=e542e00b387f3d02&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS882US882&sxsrf=AE3TifNDRWnYA8y4r87Vgf4h3rSojaaB9A:1757465365730&ei=FcvAaLSlLIGPwbkPmseFqA0&ved=0ahUKEwj0g9HW_MyPAxWBRzABHZpjAdUQ4dUDCBI&uact=5&oq=immigrants+definition&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiFWltbWlncmFudHMgZGVmaW5pdGlvbjIKEAAYgAQYRhj5ATIFEAAYgAQyBhAAGBYYHjIGEAAYFhgeMgYQABgWGB4yBhAAGBYYHjIGEAAYFhgeMgYQABgWGB4yBhAAGBYYHjIGEAAYFhgeMiQQABiABBhGGPkBGJcFGIwFGN0EGEYY-QEY9AMY9QMY9gPYAQFI6yBQwAVY8xxwAXgBkAEAmAHpA6ABnQqqAQc5LjEuNC0xuAEDyAEA-AEBmAIMoALJCsICBxAjGLADGCfCAgoQABiwAxjWBBhHwgINEAAYgAQYsAMYQxiKBcICDhAAGLADGOQCGNYE2AEBwgIWEC4YgAQYsAMYQxjUAhjIAxiKBdgBAcICBBAjGCfCAgoQABiABBhDGIoFwgIIEAAYgAQYxwPCAg0QABiABBixAxhDGIoFwgIKEAAYgAQYFBiHAsICCxAAGIAEGLEDGIMBwgINEAAYgAQYFBiHAhjHA8ICBxAAGIAEGArCAiQQABiABBhGGPkBGJcFGIwFGN0EGEYY-QEY9AMY9QMY9gPYAQGYAwCIBgGQBhG6BgYIARABGAmSBwgxMC4xLjQtMaAH3liyBwc5LjEuNC0xuAfCCsIHBTAuOC40yAcm&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

What would a trial be to determine if they are already determined to be illegal aliens and no civil or criminal penalties are applied?

Just answer the question.

 

[iguanaman]

What would a trial be to determine if they are already determined to be illegal aliens and no civil or criminal penalties are applied?

Just answer the question.

• Due process: The U.S. Constitution guarantees due process rights to all "persons" in the country, including immigrants, which means they are entitled to a fair hearing.

You clearly don't read my posts. And are clueless or don't care about our Constitution. Every post makes it clearer you don't belong here.

 

[CLAX1911]

• Due process: The U.S. Constitution guarantees due process rights to all "persons" in the country, including immigrants, which means they are entitled to a fair hearing.

Illegal aliens don't have any right to be here. That's already determined.

So again what would a trial be to determine

You clearly don't read my posts.

It had **** all to do with my question.

And are clueless or don't care about our Constitution.

What constitutional right do illegal aliens have to stay here illegally?

Every post makes it clearer you don't belong here.

Every post you make not explaining how illegal aliens have the right to stay here or what a trial would be to determine means you haven't the first clue about the topic.

So your Nazism means very little as it comes from total incompetence.

 

[Lursa]

Some ill-informed poster suggested that I should use emojis to make a point, which is hilarious. I'm an adult, so I prefer using logic and reason to make points.

Hmm...I've read your posts and words dont always get you there. In any case, there's no reason that emojis, properly used, cannot enable additional clarity or tone.

I don't need to be lectured about how emoji's are better that using logic and reason to make a point. Anyways, none of this emoji nonsense has anything to do with the thread topic.

So you say

(See what I did there?)

 

[Lursa]

• Due process: The U.S. Constitution guarantees due process rights to all "persons" in the country, including immigrants, which means they are entitled to a fair hearing.

You clearly don't read my posts. And are clueless or don't care about our Constitution. Every post makes it clearer you don't belong here.

He really misses the point, very clear in the 14th A, that they're still subject to the jurisdiction of the US.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."​

Note that it says "person," not citizen.

 

[SkyChief]

Hmm...I've read your posts and words dont always get you there. In any case, there's no reason that emojis, properly used, cannot enable additional clarity or tone.

Emojis are for intellectually lazy people.

So you say

(See what I did there?)

You think that's clever - I don't. You and I put very different values on logic, reason and critical thinking. Anyways, I am SO bored with all this nonsense about emojis. It's pointless wasting any more time or bandwidth discussing something so trivial.

You get the last word on emojis if you like.

 

[Lursa]

Emojis are for intellectually lazy people.

You said that and I provided an argument refuting it. You regurgitating it doesnt dispute mine.

You think that's clever - I don't. You and I put very different values on logic, reason and critical thinking.

Really? I follow the dictionary definitions for those words and demonstrate their value in my use...where to you get your definitions?

Anyways, I am SO bored with all this nonsense about emojis. It's pointless wasting any more time or bandwidth discussing something so trivial.

You get the last word on emojis if you like.

That's cool. Your post's pretentiousness does not really further anything except that you choose to ignore a valid argument. If you dont "like" them, that's one thing ...but you didnt invalidate their legitimate use.

 

[AZRWinger]

He really misses the point, very clear in the 14th A, that they're still subject to the jurisdiction of the US.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."​

Note that it says "person," not citizen.

Note that Abrego Garcia received due process in multiple hearings in immigration court where he was represented by counsel. Understand that immigration court is not a criminal justice court but an administrative one as befits one which doesn't deprive persons of life, liberty, or property.

The so-called Maryland Dad hasn't been deprived of due process. His preference to live in the US illegally has been denied by a legal process.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Emojis are for intellectually lazy people.

You think that's clever - I don't. You and I put very different values on logic, reason and critical thinking. Anyways, I am SO bored with all this nonsense about emojis. It's pointless wasting any more time or bandwidth discussing something so trivial.

You get the last word on emojis if you like.

Logic and critical thinking would never bring an adult to vote for Donald Trump 3 times lol

 

[The Brad Dad]

Note that Abrego Garcia received due process in multiple hearings in immigration court where he was represented by counsel. Understand that immigration court is not a criminal justice court but an administrative one as befits one which doesn't deprive persons of life, liberty, or property.

The so-called Maryland Dad hasn't been deprived of due process. His preference to live in the US illegally has been denied by a legal process.

Note that the government admitted they made a mistake with him. Note that.

 

[AZRWinger]

Note that the government admitted they made a mistake with him. Note that.

The mistake was deporting him to his native El Salvador. Not in deporting him. Note that.

 

[SkyChief]

Logic and critical thinking would never bring an adult to vote for Donald Trump 3 times lol

ButWhatAboutTrumpButWhatAboutTrumpButWhatAboutTrump . . .

When someone is incapable of formulating a sensible argument, they can always fall back on the ButWhatAboutTrump card.

That removes the need to actually think about something. Well played.

 

[The Brad Dad]

ButWhatAboutTrumpButWhatAboutTrumpButWhatAboutTrump . . .

When someone is incapable of formulating a sensible argument, they can always fall back on the ButWhatAboutTrump card.

That removes the need to actually think about something. Well played.

He ran our economy into the ground last time and started an insurrection after he lost. I understand why it’s important to you to remove that context from your arguments, which don’t even exist until Trump gives them to you.

 

[SkyChief]

He ran our economy into the ground last time and started an insurrection after he lost.

It doesn't matter WTF Trump did with the ecomony - that has NOTHING to do with the topic of this thread, and it's foolish to pretend that something Trump said or did has any relevance with this thread.

Any mention of Trump is a classic whataboutism, and any whataboutism argument is a logical fallacy, and it reveals a lot about the the person who makes it.

I understand why it’s important to you to remove that context from your arguments, which don’t even exist until Trump gives them to you.

Complete nonsense. You cannot formulate a sensible argument, so you bring up Trump to support your lack of one.

Typical.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

It doesn't matter WTF Trump did with the ecomony - that has NOTHING to do with the topic of this thread, and it's foolish to pretend that something Trump said or did has any relevance with this thread.

Any mention of Trump is a classic whataboutism, and any whataboutism argument is a logical fallacy, and it reveals a lot about the the person who makes it.

Complete nonsense. You cannot formulate a sensible argument, so you bring up Trump to support your lack of one.

Typical.

This is nothing but bullshit denial.

Just stop.