If you see someone open carrying, and have a doubt, call 911

[GunFora]

And 100% of the time its someone using a firearm too and more often than not legally owned by the shooter

So why is this phenomenon not reflected in other developed societies then ? Do you think the incidence mental illness and its lack of proper care are something uniquely American ?

Our 2nd Amendment is uniquely American. Mental illness is not. Deal with the mental illness and the problem is solved.

 

[VanceMack]

The same people that **** themselves over law abiding citizens carrying openly are the same ones that spend much of their time vilifying 'the cops' over brutality.

Now...for the record...Im not a fan of open carry solely to prove a point. I think people that do are morons. There are exceptions...like at a specified rally. But...moronic nature and tendency aside...can anyone point to a case where the open carry crowd started flipping the switch and shooting the place up? Or where they demonstrated their constitutional rights...and then blasted a street vendor for 38 bucks and some change? Or went all wild west and vigilante-ist on someone? So...why are you ****ting yourself over the open carry guy again? And where is your outrage and activity with regard to the criminals that actually ARE a threat?

 

[flogger]

Our 2nd Amendment is uniquely American. Mental illness is not. Deal with the mental illness and the problem is solved.

Absolute nonsense as any cursory glance at what happens elsewhere will confirm

 

[GunFora]

Absolute nonsense as any cursory glance at what happens elsewhere will confirm

Sorry. I'm not a socialist. I'm not a communist. I'm not a progressive. With freedom comes responsibility and certain risks. As Americans...we accept those responsibilities and risks. Sadly, some of us do not.

 

[blackjack50]

And 100% of the time its someone using a firearm too

Mass violence doesn't require a gun. Boston bombing? Oklahoma City? Word trade centers?

and more often than not legally owned by the shooter

Which of course is an extreme minority incident to the tune of less than .0002% of cases

So why is this phenomenon not reflected in other developed societies then ?

Several reasons. Our handling of mental illness and mental disorders is not that good here. Plus the way medical insurance may handle said cases. The society may also be more divisive and less homogenous than other nations (something we have covered with you...America is unique in its cultural makeup...unlike your nation...which is the size of 1 of our states). It could be our different legal system as well. The fact that your nation doesn't protect people's rights like ours does (increased use of police with less restraint on their arrest powers meaning that can just grab someone and arrest them on suspicion which would be an egregious violation here and part of the reason there is a big stir right now).

Additionally your nations DO see this kind of violence, but with less FREQUENCY.

Do you think the incidence mental illness and its lack of proper care are something uniquely American ?

Nope. Not at all. But what is unique to America is that we have dont have single payer health care. We have people who fall through cracks. Our prisons treat these people like criminals instead of mental disorders. There are a HOST of issues. And part of that is due to detection. ALL of the people killers had a history. They made it known through social media. They had severe issues. And it got missed.

So the question isn't so much about guns. It's about the person. And why are they ignored?

 

[flogger]

Sorry. I'm not a socialist. I'm not a communist. I'm not a progressive. With freedom comes responsibility and certain risks. As Americans...we accept those responsibilities and risks. Sadly, some of us do not.

On the contrary, your societies ongoing callous disregard for such avoidable tragedies and the inability to address their true cause is spectacularly irresponsible

 

[GunFora]

On the contrary, your societies ongoing callous disregard for such avoidable tragedies and the inability to address their true cause is spectacularly irresponsible

What's your hangup on guns? Surely there are countless avoidable tragedies we could address. We've discussed this before. Why guns?

 

[Reformedfindlay]

Only stupid people walk around openly brandishing rifles in a country where mass shootings are a regular occurrence.

Did you even read? You can't conceal carry an AR. Only stupid people look at a gun owner as automatically being a criminal in a country where carrying weapons is an EXTREMELY common occurrence.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

Such gun free zones in the US are a myth because most people drive

RIGHT!

You actually got something right on gun control. Good for you.

Gun free zones indeed are a myth because criminals are more than willing to break those laws anyways. I mean, why the **** would they care since they're going to commit suicide by cop anyways.

 

[TurtleDude]

On the contrary, your societies ongoing callous disregard for such avoidable tragedies and the inability to address their true cause is spectacularly irresponsible

your solutions have a callous disregard for the rights of lawful gun owners and a callous disregard for reality. . We have to assume your real goal is to punish honest gun owners since you have admitted you are in favor of a complete ban on civilian owned firearms who are not government employees

and when people object to your silly solutions, you claim they don't care about innocent victims

sorry, we are not going to jettison our rights just so foreign gun banners can pretend they have imposed Eurosocialist misery on the USA

 

[LagerHead]

And I find it likely many people have thought the same way...before they woke up in a hospital, if they woke at all.

Simply put...I do not trust people. And those that feel the need to brandish firearms even more so. I also dislike the misplaced penis extension mentality it represents, not the sort of individual I care to be around.

The feeling is mutual. Gun owners don't want to be around people who are so ignorant and narrow minded that they generalize entire populations of people, in this case nearly 13 million law-abiding American men AND women, with infantile comparisons that are merely projections of their own shortcomings. We prefer to be around people who live in the real world and judge individuals, not entire populations. But hey, we can be funny that way.

 

[jaeger19]

So what would be an unacceptable number for you over such a timescale then ? 900 or 9000 .... more perhaps ?

But I suppose as long as the guns are safe what else could be more important ? :roll:

Easy... freedom... freedom is important... in fact we americans thought so much about it.. we ran those opposed to our freedom OUT of this country and back to.....

Someone help me out... where did we run those folks back to? :2wave:

 

[flogger]

your solutions have a callous disregard for the rights of lawful gun owners and a callous disregard for reality. . We have to assume your real goal is to punish honest gun owners since you have admitted you are in favor of a complete ban on civilian owned firearms who are not government employees

and when people object to your silly solutions, you claim they don't care about innocent victims

sorry, we are not going to jettison our rights just so foreign gun banners can pretend they have imposed Eurosocialist misery on the USA

I make no apologies for having more concern for the rights of victims to life than of gun fetishists to play :roll:

 

[jaeger19]

Mass violence doesn't require a gun. Boston bombing? Oklahoma City? Word trade centers?



Which of course is an extreme minority incident to the tune of less than .0002% of cases



Several reasons. Our handling of mental illness and mental disorders is not that good here. Plus the way medical insurance may handle said cases. The society may also be more divisive and less homogenous than other nations (something we have covered with you...America is unique in its cultural makeup...unlike your nation...which is the size of 1 of our states). It could be our different legal system as well. The fact that your nation doesn't protect people's rights like ours does (increased use of police with less restraint on their arrest powers meaning that can just grab someone and arrest them on suspicion which would be an egregious violation here and part of the reason there is a big stir right now).

Additionally your nations DO see this kind of violence, but with less FREQUENCY.




Nope. Not at all. But what is unique to America is that we have dont have single payer health care. We have people who fall through cracks. Our prisons treat these people like criminals instead of mental disorders. There are a HOST of issues. And part of that is due to detection. ALL of the people killers had a history. They made it known through social media. They had severe issues. And it got missed.

So the question isn't so much about guns. It's about the person. And why are they ignored?

Great post.. and I will answer why they are ignored... because in large part we focus on what they have in their hand.. rather than who they are. And its a political thing. Talking about addressing mental health in schools and insurance.. and healthcare and how our prison system has become a large part of our mental health system... those are issues that require intelligence and thought...

and they don't make as good a soundbite as "we need to get the gun out of their hands"..

 

[jaeger19]

I make no apologies for having more concern for the rights of victims to life than of gun fetishists to play :roll:

We support the right for people to protect their lives... and that's why we support gun ownership.

YOU would remove their right to protect themselves and the means to do so and give the criminals all the advantage.

 

[flogger]

Easy... freedom... freedom is important... in fact we americans thought so much about it.. we ran those opposed to our freedom OUT of this country and back to.....

Someone help me out... where did we run those folks back to? :2wave:

The ability to kill more easily is only seen as a metric of 'freedom' in the warped psyche that pervades so many in the US

 

[TurtleDude]

I make no apologies for having more concern for the rights of victims to life than of gun fetishists to play :roll:

I don't for a minute believe that crap. and when you use terms like "gun fetishists" the obvious truth is that you have a pathological hatred of gun owners that most likely is due to some issues you harbor

 

[flogger]

We support the right for people to protect their lives... and that's why we support gun ownership.

YOU would remove their right to protect themselves and the means to do so and give the criminals all the advantage.

So you believe we are all somehow unprotected because we do not have the ability to kill as easily as you.

Is that right ?

 

[jaeger19]

The ability to kill more easily is only seen as a metric of 'freedom' in the warped psyche that pervades so many in the US

That ability to defend ourselves and our desire to freedom is why we were able to overcome those that wanted to keep us a colony through THEIR force of arms..


Our freedom stems from being able to overcome those that would oppress us. And those that would oppress us were pretty willing to kill... in fact.. that particular country and its people went on to enslave and subjugate a good portion of the world. AND the results of that subjugation are still felt in the unrest that we have in the world today...

AND ironically... later.. it was the fact that our children grow up with access to firearms, and have training in firearms use... that enabled us as a military force to bail out the aforementioned country not once BUT TWICE... in two world wars....

Imagine that.

 

[flogger]

I don't for a minute believe that crap. and when you use terms like "gun fetishists" the obvious truth is that you have a pathological hatred of gun owners that most likely is due to some issues you harbor

This from the guy with an arsenal of guns who then goes on to claim I'm the one with the issues .....

Uh huh

 

[jaeger19]

So you believe we are all somehow unprotected because we do not have the ability to kill as easily as you.

Is that right ?

Absolutely. I think having to be bailed out in two world wars sort of proves that.

Not to mention all the freedoms that you have to lose to feel protected. I live a much more free life than someone in the UK does where heck.. there is a government camera about everywhere you go.

 

[TurtleDude]

This from the guy with an arsenal of guns who then goes on to claim I'm the one with the issues .....

Uh huh

see, you continue to prove the point. You think someone owning lots of guns, even though they have proven they are active competitive shooters is a problem. The real problem are those who want to end that just because they themselves have issues

 

[flogger]

That ability to defend ourselves and our desire to freedom is why we were able to overcome those that wanted to keep us a colony through THEIR force of arms..


Our freedom stems from being able to overcome those that would oppress us. And those that would oppress us were pretty willing to kill... in fact.. that particular country and its people went on to enslave and subjugate a good portion of the world. AND the results of that subjugation are still felt in the unrest that we have in the world today...

AND ironically... later.. it was the fact that our children grow up with access to firearms, and have training in firearms use... that enabled us as a military force to bail out the aforementioned country not once BUT TWICE... in two world wars....

Imagine that.

Yup when all else fails wave a flag at me and bring up the world wars

I think this better sums up where this sort of jingoistic claptrap comes from :lol:

 

[tecoyah]

The feeling is mutual. Gun owners don't want to be around people who are so ignorant and narrow minded that they generalize entire populations of people, in this case nearly 13 million law-abiding American men AND women, with infantile comparisons that are merely projections of their own shortcomings. We prefer to be around people who live in the real world and judge individuals, not entire populations. But hey, we can be funny that way.

Interesting...as both my wife and myself own Guns. We are among the "Law Abiding" folks you generalize as not wanting to be around...uh....ourselves. My discomfort with open carry in the grocery store has less to do with what is being carried and more to do with WHERE it is displayed. It would seem that your attitude of defensive ignorance fits well into the concerns I commented on.

 

[jaeger19]

Yup when all else fails wave a flag at me and bring up the world wars

I think this better sums up where this sort of jingoistic claptrap comes from :lol:

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Funny... hey.. do you know where I can get that mobile? its pretty nice.

see.. I unlike you don't see any fundamental problem with someone wants to own a firearm.

Obviously you do... which is not surprising given the history of your country fearing the freedom of its own citizens.