"if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W:804

[Romulus]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Erm...



At one time some provinces did prohibit private primary care, but those laws were overruled by the Canadian Supreme Court.

72.6% is a majority, even a vast one. Public school?

 

[AdamT]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

72.6% is a majority, even a vast one. Public school?

When did I ever claim that a majority of Canadians had private health insurance? Short bus?

 

[Romulus]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

When did I ever claim that a majority of Canadians had private health insurance? Short bus?

You haven't. Nor did I claim you have. Try to focus (Ritalin may help).

 

[zstep18]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Exactly, government intervention in the economy is small relative to say--the Soviet Union (or Obama's future designs). I mean, even Ho Chi Minh built a trail! So, you wouldn't want a Stalinist style single payer system, right?

Ridiculous, fear-mongering statements like this will probably only win votes for Obama from moderates and independents.

 

[Romulus]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Ridiculous, fear-mongering statements like this will probably only win votes for Obama from moderates and independents.

Stating Obama wants further intervention into the economy is "fear-mongering"? What is it when you produce a video showing a look a like of a Congressman Paul Ryan pushing an elderly woman off a cliff because he wants less intervention in the economy?

 

[zstep18]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Stating Obama wants further intervention into the economy is "fear-mongering"? What is it when you produce a video showing a look a like of a Congressman Paul Ryan pushing an elderly woman off a cliff because he wants less intervention in the economy?

No, the part where you said Obama has designs for a system similar to the Soviet Union is "fear-mongering", and I think you knew what I meant.

 

[Romulus]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

No, the part where you said Obama has designs for a system similar to the Soviet Union is "fear-mongering", and I think you knew what I meant.

I didn't say "Obama has designs for a system similar to the Soviet Union ". You read "Obama" and "Soviet Union" in the same sentence then made an assumption. Do you want universal healthcare? I can't get AdamT to stop equivocating on the issue.

 

[zstep18]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

I didn't say "Obama has designs for a system similar to the Soviet Union ". You read "Obama" and "Soviet Union" in the same sentence then made an assumption. Do you want universal healthcare? I can't get AdamT to stop equivocating on the issue.

Okay, then I misread your statement. My mistake. Yes, I want universal health care. Why?

 

[Romulus]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Okay, then I misread your statement. My mistake. Yes, I want universal health care. Why?

No problem. The reason I asked was to emphasis the point of the debate in this thread. Obama believes most good things come from government, which is why he made the statement that is the topic of this thread "you didn't build that, somebody else did"...claiming government built roads and firetrucks are essential to the private sector. My argument is that government is hardly necessary for these services. Roads are built and designed by private companies. Same is true when it comes to fire prevention, very little government is necessary for fire prevention or response.

 

[AdamT]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

You haven't. Nor did I claim you have. Try to focus (Ritalin may help).

Do you have some kind of statistical turrets?

 

[GhostlyJoe]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

No problem. The reason I asked was to emphasis the point of the debate in this thread. Obama believes most good things come from government, which is why he made the statement that is the topic of this thread "you didn't build that, somebody else did"...claiming government built roads and firetrucks are essential to the private sector. My argument is that government is hardly necessary for these services. Roads are built and designed by private companies. Same is true when it comes to fire prevention, very little government is necessary for fire prevention or response.

Why would a private-sector fire department be advantageous? Without direct competition, there seems little mechanism to lower costs or increase efficiency over a publicly funded fire service. I'm assuming, too, that you'd have local governments contract for the service, meaning it's still an arm of and subject to public policy. So why do it?

 

[AdamT]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

No problem. The reason I asked was to emphasis the point of the debate in this thread. Obama believes most good things come from government, which is why he made the statement that is the topic of this thread "you didn't build that, somebody else did"...claiming government built roads and firetrucks are essential to the private sector. My argument is that government is hardly necessary for these services. Roads are built and designed by private companies. Same is true when it comes to fire prevention, very little government is necessary for fire prevention or response.

Again ... roads are built by private contractors who are contracted by the government. It's no different from Medicare where private doctors are paid by the government. I don't see your logic.

 

[Romulus]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Do you have some kind of statistical turrets?

Do you mean Tourette? A turret is different.

 

[AdamT]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Do you mean Tourette? A turret is different.

I have spelling tourettes ... stop making fun of my disabilityaoow.

 

[zstep18]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

No problem. The reason I asked was to emphasis the point of the debate in this thread. Obama believes most good things come from government, which is why he made the statement that is the topic of this thread "you didn't build that, somebody else did"...claiming government built roads and firetrucks are essential to the private sector. My argument is that government is hardly necessary for these services. Roads are built and designed by private companies. Same is true when it comes to fire prevention, very little government is necessary for fire prevention or response.

So, that's where we will disagree. You say that government is not the best to provide services, I say government is best to provide certain services. Usually when people say "I'm against big government", they really mean "I'm against big government in certain areas, but in other areas I'm all for it". Not always, but usually.

 

[Travis007]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

I have spelling tourettes ... stop making fun of my disabilityaoow.

fire in the hole!!!!! LOL....

 

[Romulus]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Why would a private-sector fire department be advantageous? Without direct competition, there seems little mechanism to lower costs or increase efficiency over a publicly funded fire service. I'm assuming, too, that you'd have local governments contract for the service, meaning it's still an arm of and subject to public policy. So why do it?

Government has to play some role to establish fire emergency services however much of those services are voluntary. It is fire safety standards (prevention) that is private, and should remain that way. Do you know the name of the man who has saved more people from death by fire than all fire departments combined? I'll give you a hint: He did it to save his piano factory.

 

[clownboy]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

When it comes right down to it, the Obama camp wants a do-over on this turd of a speech. They want to explain it line by line because they know it sounds bad. The Romney camp should do with this speech what the Obama camp is doing with Bain, harp on it day in, day out.

 

[Romulus]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

So, that's where we will disagree. You say that government is not the best to provide services, I say government is best to provide certain services. Usually when people say "I'm against big government", they really mean "I'm against big government in certain areas, but in other areas I'm all for it". Not always, but usually.

I'm against all big government. Government should be limited whenever possible. Especially when it comes to health care.

 

[clownboy]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Government has to play some role to establish fire emergency services however much of those services are voluntary. It is fire safety standards (prevention) that is private, and should remain that way. Do you know the name of the man who has saved more people from death by fire than all fire departments combined? I'll give you a hint: He did it to save his piano factory.

Fire departments started out as private enterprise in this country, not at all connected to government.

 

[zstep18]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

I'm against all big government. Government should be limited whenever possible. Especially when it comes to health care.

Do you favor seriously reducing the size of the military? Do you favor an isolationist foreign policy?

 

[GhostlyJoe]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Government has to play some role to establish fire emergency services however much of those services are voluntary. It is fire safety standards (prevention) that is private, and should remain that way. Do you know the name of the man who has saved more people from death by fire than all fire departments combined? I'll give you a hint: He did it to save his piano factory.

Many villages and townships have excellent volunteer services, but they're still mostly organized and funded through local government. Cities, however, rarely have volunteer services. The scope of city fire, police, ambulance, etc. coverage requires great coordination to maintain effective response and equal access. In my mind, the nature of emergency service lends itself to a communal model. I agree, though, that research and development -- such as a better smoke detector -- is better handled through private investment.

Not sure what you're referring to with the piano factory. You'll have to clue me in.

 

[Romulus]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Fire departments started out as private enterprise in this country, not at all connected to government.

I think the only connection fire departments need to government is some monitoring by local legislators. Which is what I meant by "some role" for government.

 

[Romulus]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Many villages and townships have excellent volunteer services, but they're still mostly organized and funded through local government. Cities, however, rarely have volunteer services. The scope of city fire, police, ambulance, etc. coverage requires great coordination to maintain effective response and equal access. In my mind, the nature of emergency service lends itself to a communal model. I agree, though, that research and development -- such as a better smoke detector -- is better handled through private investment.

Not sure what you're referring to with the piano factory. You'll have to clue me in.

Henry Parmalee. He patented a device he invented to protect his Mathushek Piano Manufacturing Company, he then sold the rights to Frederick Grinell who made some small improvements giving us the ‘glass disk sprinkler’ we see in every building today. Grinell also started the NFPA (a private entity) which sets the codes and standards for all fire related issues in this nation.

The "great coordination" you think requires government is actually done by the NFPA, which government rubber stamps and promptly fails to mention when budgetary debates occur.

 

[Romulus]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Do you favor seriously reducing the size of the military? Do you favor an isolationist foreign policy?

I think our military budget could be cut in half or more. I don't favor isolationism. I'm for voluntary militias taking the place of expensive Reserve and National Guard forces, shrinking the Army, but growing the Navy.