If you hear 'Palestinians killed' and dismiss it as 'who cares', it's a problem

[Craig234]

That's the mentality of war criminals - the people who might 'not care' about the Holocaust because of who the victims were, for example. There are cases where there's more support for killing - like against the Axis in WWII, or Russian invaders in Ukraine - Palestinians are not such a case, as much as Israeli propagandists try to make them one.

'Heinous Crime': Israeli Strikes on Gaza Kill at Least 13 Palestinians, Including Children | Common Dreams

While one United Nations official slammed the Israeli bombings as "unacceptable," an Israel Defense Forces colonel called the deaths of four children "irrelevant."

www.commondreams.org

 

[Glitch]

Don't look now, but your antisemitism is showing - yet again.

 

[Tigerace117]

Don't look now, but your antisemitism is showing - yet again.

No, condemning the killing of Palestinian noncombatants is not "antisemitic". Glad to clear that up for you.

 

[Glitch]

No, condemning the killing of Palestinian noncombatants is not "antisemitic". Glad to clear that up for you.

Calling Palestinian terrorists "noncombatants" demonstrates your antisemitism as well. No doubt you also supported the Holocaust by all those peace-loving noncombatant Germans. The extent to which you will demonstrate your bigotry is amazing.

 

[Tigerace117]

Calling Palestinian terrorists "noncombatants" demonstrates your antisemitism as well. No doubt you also supported the Holocaust by all those peace-loving noncombatant Germans. The extent to which you will demonstrate your bigotry is amazing.

These Palestinians were terrorists? Do you have any evidence to support those claims?

 

[Glitch]

These Palestinians were terrorists? Do you have any evidence to support those claims?

Absolutely. They were responsible for indiscriminate rocket attacks against Israel, along with Hamas. The PLF have been a terrorist organization since the 1980s. The only good Jew is a dead Jew, right? Your ilk disgusts me.

 

[Tigerace117]

Absolutely. They were responsible for indiscriminate rocket attacks against Israel, along with Hamas. The PLF have been a terrorist organization since the 1980s. The only good Jew is a dead Jew, right? Your ilk disgusts me.

These children were responsible for rocket attacks? Prove it.

Israel has elected a terrorist PM before. Your "argument" has no credibility.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

If you hear 'Palestinians killed' and dismiss it as 'who cares', it's a problem

Not really. Why should anyone care that Israel defends themselves from murderers?

Good for Israel.

That's the mentality of war criminals

No, it's the mentality of people who understand that self defense is not a crime.

the people who might 'not care' about the Holocaust because of who the victims were, for example.

The Holocaust murdered innocent people.

Israel is defending themselves from murderers.

Not the same thing.

There are cases where there's more support for killing - like against the Axis in WWII, or Russian invaders in Ukraine - Palestinians are not such a case, as much as Israeli propagandists try to make them one.

Israel has every right to defend themselves from murderers.

'Heinous Crime': Israeli Strikes on Gaza Kill at Least 13 Palestinians, Including Children | Common Dreams

While one United Nations official slammed the Israeli bombings as "unacceptable," an Israel Defense Forces colonel called the deaths of four children "irrelevant."

www.commondreams.org

This article is neonazi propaganda.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

No, condemning the killing of Palestinian noncombatants is not "antisemitic". Glad to clear that up for you.

It's antisemitic when the accusations are completely untrue.

Falsely accusing Jews of imaginary atrocities is the bedrock of antisemitism.

These Palestinians were terrorists? Do you have any evidence to support those claims?

I'm actually not familiar with the current events. But the first billion or so times that this has happened, Israel turned out to have not done anything wrong.

It is safe to assume that this time will turn out the same.

These children were responsible for rocket attacks? Prove it.

As above, the first billion or so times that such accusations have been made Israel has turned out to be completely innocent.

Safe to assume that this time will be the same.

Israel has elected a terrorist PM before. Your "argument" has no credibility.

More antisemitic false accusations of imaginary atrocities.

 

[Tigerace117]

It's antisemitic when the accusations are completely untrue.

Falsely accusing Jews of imaginary atrocities is the bedrock of antisemitism.



I'm actually not familiar with the current events. But the first billion or so times that this has happened, Israel turned out to have not done anything wrong.

It is safe to assume that this time will turn out the same.



As above, the first billion or so times that such accusations have been made Israel has turned out to be completely innocent.

Safe to assume that this time will be the same.



More antisemitic false accusations of imaginary atrocities.

Are you denying those children died? What actual evidence do you have that this didn’t happen?

In other words, you don’t have an issue with Israel slaughtering Palestinian noncombatants, rather proving the OP’s point.

“On 27 March 1952, a package addressed to Chancellor Adenauer exploded in the Munich Police Headquarters, killing one Bavarian police officer, Karl Reichert.[72] Investigations revealed the mastermind behind the assassination attempt was Menachem Begin, who would later become the Prime Minister of Israel.[73] Begin had been the commander of Irgun and at that time headed Herut and was a member of the Knesset. His goal was to put pressure on the German government and prevent the signing of the Reparations Agreement between Israel and West Germany, which he vehemently opposed.[74]The West German government kept all proof under seal in order to prevent antisemitic responses from the German public.”

Konrad Adenauer - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Thank you for proving, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you don’t know what anti semitism is.

 

[NatMorton]

From time to time in threads like these I think it's important to remind folks what Israel is up against.

While no nation or political movement is perfect, you get a sense of at least their ideals from their founding documents. Think of the US Constitution's Preamble, "We the People of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, ..."

Now let's look at what Hamas aspires to be. These are passages taken directly from their founding document, The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement written in 1988:

• Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it. (Preamble)
• The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine. (Article 6)
• The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him. (Article 7)
• [Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility. (Article 13)
• Palestine is an Islamic land... Since this is the case, the Liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Moslem wherever he may be. (Article 13)
• The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews' usurpation, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised. (Article 15)

While calling on the rocks and trees to aid in the killing of Jews may seem extreme to many of us, some will read this and no doubt say "who cares?"

 

[Irredentist]

From time to time in threads like these I think it's important to remind folks what Israel is up against.

While no nation or political movement is perfect, you get a sense of at least their ideals from their founding documents. Think of the US Constitution's Preamble, "We the People of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, ..."

Now let's look at what Hamas aspires to be. These are passages taken directly from their founding document, The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement written in 1988:


While calling on the rocks and trees to aid in the killing of Jews may seem extreme to many of us, some will read this and no doubt say "who cares?"

War is hell, and the innocent suffer along with the guilty. The fighting will only end when both sides agree to give up their dreams of conquest, and sit down to work out a deal.

 

[NatMorton]

War is hell, and the innocent suffer along with the guilty. The fighting will only end when both sides agree to give up their dreams of conquest, and sit down to work out a deal.

I agree, but I think it's also true Israel would leave alone if left alone. As is evident from the Hamas charter, the same cannot be said for the other side.

 

[Irredentist]

I agree, but I think it's also true Israel would leave alone if left alone. As is evident from the Hamas charter, the same cannot be said for the other side.

I mean you say that, but Israel is currently settling civilians in occupied territory that is supposedly under the jurisdiction of Palestine, which technically constitutes a war crime.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

Are you denying those children died?

My best guess is that they never even existed. But who knows. It's not even worth figuring out.

What actual evidence do you have that this didn’t happen?

Well there is the long history of the Palestinians making such false accusations against Israel. Over and over and over and over again.

At some point you just don't bother paying any more attention to all the false accusations.

In other words, you don’t have an issue with Israel slaughtering Palestinian noncombatants, rather proving the OP’s point.

Why would I take issue with imaginary events that never even happened?

“On 27 March 1952, a package addressed to Chancellor Adenauer exploded in the Munich Police Headquarters, killing one Bavarian police officer, Karl Reichert.[72] Investigations revealed the mastermind behind the assassination attempt was Menachem Begin, who would later become the Prime Minister of Israel.[73] Begin had been the commander of Irgun and at that time headed Herut and was a member of the Knesset. His goal was to put pressure on the German government and prevent the signing of the Reparations Agreement between Israel and West Germany, which he vehemently opposed.[74]The West German government kept all proof under seal in order to prevent antisemitic responses from the German public.”

Konrad Adenauer - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Hard to know if that is true given all the false accusations that abound, but Israel has committed assassinations before, so who knows.

But so what? It doesn't have anything to do with these current false accusations against Israel does it?

Thank you for proving, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you don’t know what anti semitism is.

Falsely accusing Jews of committing imaginary atrocities is very much antisemitism.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

War is hell, and the innocent suffer along with the guilty. The fighting will only end when both sides agree to give up their dreams of conquest, and sit down to work out a deal.

I'm not sure if conquest is quite the right word.

The problem here is, the two sides cannot reach agreement.

So what is the way forward when the only solution is for the two sides to come to an agreement, but the two sides cannot agree?

Come up with an answer to that one and you'll earn a Nobel Peace Prize.

I mean you say that, but Israel is currently settling civilians in occupied territory that is supposedly under the jurisdiction of Palestine, which technically constitutes a war crime.

Not really.

The Palestinians would like that land to be under their jurisdiction.

Most (but probably not all) of that land would be handed over to the Palestinians as part of a peace agreement if that should ever happen.

But currently that land is not under Palestinian jurisdiction.

 

[Irredentist]

I'm not sure if conquest is quite the right word.

The problem here is, the two sides cannot reach agreement.

So what is the way forward when the only solution is for the two sides to come to an agreement, but the two sides cannot agree?

Come up with an answer to that one and you'll earn a Nobel Peace Prize.



Not really.

The Palestinians would like that land to be under their jurisdiction.

Most (but probably not all) of that land would be handed over to the Palestinians as part of a peace agreement if that should ever happen.

But currently that land is not under Palestinian jurisdiction.

According to the UN, the West Bank is under the jurisdiction of the Palestinian National Authority. Yet that land is currently under Israeli occupation, and hosts Israeli settlements. It is not legal to settle land that does not belong to you.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

According to the UN, the West Bank is under the jurisdiction of the Palestinian National Authority.

But in reality it is not under Palestinian jurisdiction.

Yet that land is currently under Israeli occupation, and hosts Israeli settlements. It is not legal to settle land that does not belong to you.

Until an agreement is reached where land is handed over to Palestinians, all of Area C belongs to Israel.

 

[Irredentist]

But in reality it is not under Palestinian jurisdiction.



Until an agreement is reached where land is handed over to Palestinians, all of Area C belongs to Israel.

That's not how international law works. Israel has not annexed that land, therefore it does not belong to them.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

That's not how international law works. Israel has not annexed that land, therefore it does not belong to them.

Actually they have annexed at least some land east of the Green Line. But not all of it I don't think.

And Area C certainly doesn't belong to anyone else.

Much of Area C will be given to the Palestinians if a peace deal is ever reached, but until it happens it has not been transferred into Palestinian possession.

 

[Tigerace117]

My best guess is that they never even existed. But who knows. It's not even worth figuring out.



Well there is the long history of the Palestinians making such false accusations against Israel. Over and over and over and over again.

At some point you just don't bother paying any more attention to all the false accusations.



Why would I take issue with imaginary events that never even happened?



Hard to know if that is true given all the false accusations that abound, but Israel has committed assassinations before, so who knows.

But so what? It doesn't have anything to do with these current false accusations against Israel does it?



Falsely accusing Jews of committing imaginary atrocities is very much antisemitism.

So prove it. Should be easy, if you have the slightest bit of evidence to support your contentions. “It’s not worth figuring out” is a pretty clear admission that you’ve got nothing though.

Well, there is the long history of Israel slaughtering Palestinian noncombatants. Over, and over, and over again.

At some point accusations of “lies” become meaningless when you have no proof that the Palestinians are doing any such thing.

So Israel has elected a terrorist as PM…..a fact you tried to claim was “antisemitism”.

It’s pretty clear you don’t know what the word means.

 

[Tigerace117]

From time to time in threads like these I think it's important to remind folks what Israel is up against.

While no nation or political movement is perfect, you get a sense of at least their ideals from their founding documents. Think of the US Constitution's Preamble, "We the People of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, ..."

Now let's look at what Hamas aspires to be. These are passages taken directly from their founding document, The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement written in 1988:


While calling on the rocks and trees to aid in the killing of Jews may seem extreme to many of us, some will read this and no doubt say "who cares?"

Meanwhile Israel is actively engaged in settler colonialism and has tried to blame the Palestinians for the Holocaust.

 

[Questerr]

Don't look now, but your antisemitism is showing - yet again.

You realize Arabs are Semites, yes?

 

[Questerr]

But in reality it is not under Palestinian jurisdiction.



Until an agreement is reached where land is handed over to Palestinians, all of Area C belongs to Israel.

And they are conducting what is by any objective measurement or definition a campaign of ethnic cleansing there.

 

[NatMorton]

Meanwhile Israel is actively engaged in settler colonialism and has tried to blame the Palestinians for the Holocaust.

Humans taking each other’s land is nothing new, and if you’d doubt that, you might want to reflect on the provenance of the land where you currently live.

As for blaming them for the Holocaust, you’ll need find someone dumb enough to believe that. Best of luck.