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rabbitcaebannog said:
Obviously, if enough parents don't want her there because her son is gay and she supports him, they will fire her. I have a feeling most people are not so closed minded. They would be more concerned about her as a teacher than her son's life style. That, of course, is just a hunch.
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One of the main reasons people send their kids to a Catholic school is to keep them away from fags.
 
May as well go to the length of limiting instruction to nuns and priests.

A stupid morality clause? Yes.

A quick way to reduce candidates? Yes.

My advice will be "When in Rome, pretend​ to do as the Romans do."
 
ChezC3 said:
Essentially to put this into purely secular terms -- what the Catholic Church is doing is tantamount to Coca-Cola making their employees sign a contract stipulating that they will not advertise, promote, or sell Pepsi.
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No, that's not what the morality contract stipulates. Your analogy would imply that a teacher cannot become a prostitute.

What this particular morality contract is asking is that Coca Cola workers cannot be caught or known to be drinking a Pepsi product on or off the job.
 
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Fiddytree said:
No, that's not what the morality contract stipulates. Your analogy would imply that a teacher cannot become a prostitute.

What this particular morality contract is asking is that Coca Cola workers cannot be caught drinking a Pepsi product.
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I worked security for coke and they already have that rule in place. I secretly worked security for Pepsi too and had to hide the Pepsi hat every time I went to the Coke plant.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Does her son work at the school?

As an aside: maybe you should pick a less derogatory term.
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Less Derogatory than Catholic? I call them the way I see them if their Catholic they are catholic and if their a fag they are a fag. Nothing derogatory about calling an apple an apple.
 
MaggieD said:
1.)You're reading your own interpretation into the article. It says nothing of the kind re artificial insemination. Where are you getting that ****? Here's the only thing we have to work with:
2.)How do YOU define "public support"? That's not talking about it in one's living room.
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1.) yes it does and i already quoted it, in fact you repeated it in your own post, it says its against artificial insemination.

so i ask again what does a person do about thier already born 12yr old that came from artificial insemination?

2.) exactly, so if one has a child that is already openly gay and has been for years? what if they are scheduled to get married? or are already married?

id say that support is pretty public.

what if that openly gay child goes to that school?

I can make real life scenario after scenario.

making change like this that would effect teachers already employed is crap since some of the things cant be controlled.


Put yourself in thier shoes, times are tough, not a lot of teacher jobs, you work walking distance in Cincinnati. One of your kids was already born by artificial insemination and people know that. Your other kid is openly gay and has been for a while, thier wedding is scheduled this summer . . . do you not go?

what if somebody takes your pic at the wedding then shoes it to faculty? should you be fired?

what if that kid is only 14 and she wrote an essay about coming out and how great and supportive her family was. It won some state competition, she wants to get her picture taken with her supportive mother in the paper. Do you tell her no?

what if the artificial alone gets you fired?

like i said in a case like this its crap because its out of the control of the employee
 
Slyhunter said:
I worked security for coke and they already have that rule in place. I secretly worked security for Pepsi too and had to hide the Pepsi hat every time I went to the Coke plant.
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Yes, but did they fire you for drinking a pepsi off the job, in your private life?

Teachers are held to a different standard and his comparison was simply put-way off.
 
Slyhunter said:
Less Derogatory than Catholic? I call them the way I see them if their Catholic they are catholic and if their a fag they are a fag. Nothing derogatory about calling an apple an apple.
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I'm pretty sure the term "fag" is derogatory.
 
AGENT J said:
1.) yes it does and i already quoted it, in fact you repeated it in your own post, it says its against artificial insemination.

so i ask again what does a person do about thier already born 12yr old that came from artificial insemination?
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Don't talk about it.
The new rules don't forbid you from having a son from artificial insemination, it prohibits you from publicly promoting artificial insemination. So don't publicly promote it.
 
Fiddytree said:
No, that's not what the morality contract stipulates. Your analogy would imply that a teacher cannot become a prostitute.

What this particular morality contract is asking is that Coca Cola workers cannot be caught or known to be drinking a Pepsi product on or off the job.
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Actually yes it does.
This includes public support of homosexuality, sexual activity out of wedlock and artificial insemination.
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Following your thinking it would be teachers engaging in homosexual behavior, sex out of wedlock, and artificially inseminating in public.

My analogy implies a teacher cannot promote prostitution not being a prostitute would be a given.
 
AGENT J said:
2.) exactly, so if one has a child that is already openly gay and has been for years? what if they are scheduled to get married? or are already married?

id say that support is pretty public.

what if that openly gay child goes to that school?

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tough ****. You shouldn't have gone to work for a Catholic school with openly gay children. I'm sure if your openly opposed to your gay children they'll let you keep your job though.
 
Fiddytree said:
Yes, but did they fire you for drinking a pepsi off the job, in your private life?

Teachers are held to a different standard and his comparison was simply put-way off.
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They would if someone took a picture of me, for example, drinking a pepsi and posted it on facebook. But facebook didn't exist back then.
 
AGENT J said:
1.) yes it does and i already quoted it, in fact you repeated it in your own post, it says its against artificial insemination.

so i ask again what does a person do about thier already born 12yr old that came from artificial insemination?

2.) exactly, so if one has a child that is already openly gay and has been for years? what if they are scheduled to get married? or are already married?

id say that support is pretty public.

what if that openly gay child goes to that school?

I can make real life scenario after scenario.

making change like this that would effect teachers already employed is crap since some of the things cant be controlled.


Put yourself in thier shoes, times are tough, not a lot of teacher jobs, you work walking distance in Cincinnati. One of your kids was already born by artificial insemination and people know that. Your other kid is openly gay and has been for a while, thier wedding is scheduled this summer . . . do you not go?

what if somebody takes your pic at the wedding then shoes it to faculty? should you be fired?

what if that kid is only 14 and she wrote an essay about coming out and how great and supportive her family was. It won some state competition, she wants to get her picture taken with her supportive mother in the paper. Do you tell her no?

what if the artificial alone gets you fired?

like i said in a case like this its crap because its out of the control of the employee
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If that's the way it's intended to be enforced, then I think it's wrong. When I think of "public support," I think rallies, joining such groups, etc. Perhaps it just needs more clarification.
 
Here's the actual contract:

http://www.catholiccincinnati.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Teacher-Minister-High-School-Contract.pdf

Such conduct
or lifestyle that is in contradiction to Catholic doctrine or morals includes, but is not limited to,
improper use of social media/communication, public support of or publicly living together outside
marriage, public support of or sexual activity out of wedlock, public support of or homosexual
lifestyle, public support of or use of abortion, public support of or use of a surrogate mother, public
support of or use of in vitro fertilization or artificial insemination, public membership in organizations
whose mission and message are incompatible with Catholic doctrine or morals, and/or flagrant deceit
or dishonesty.
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As you can clearly see, doing it in one's private life, is grounds for termination.

Pepsi would not fire you if they saw you drinking a Coke, or if another employee saw you drinking a Coke at a gas station, in civilian clothing, on private time. This contract, however, does indicate that they will police your private life completely. Under this contract, if Pepsi saw you drinking a coke, or became aware of you drinking a coke since being employed, that was grounds enough for suspicion.
 
Fiddytree said:
Here's the actual contract:

http://www.catholiccincinnati.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Teacher-Minister-High-School-Contract.pdf



As you can clearly see, doing it in one's private life, is grounds for termination.

Pepsi would not fire you if they saw you drinking a Coke, or if another employee saw you drinking a Coke at a gas station, in civilian clothing, on private time. This contract, however, does indicate that they will police your private life completely. Under this contract, if Pepsi saw you drinking a coke, or became aware of you drinking a coke since being employed, that was grounds enough for suspicion.
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Pepsi wouldn't but Coke would and has.
 
Slyhunter said:
Pepsi wouldn't but Coke would and has.
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So if Coca Cola became aware that you hosted a low-level dinner party for a few friends and maybe a couple of neighbors, and at this dinner there was a Pepsi near your plate, and you partook of this drink...Coca Cola would have reasonable grounds for suspicion that it could terminate your employment?

If your daughter wanted a Pepsi, and you bought one for her, and took a sip. If someone at Coca Cola became aware of this transgression, they may have grounds for termination?
 
Fiddytree said:
So if Coca Cola became aware that you hosted a low-level dinner party for a few friends and maybe a couple of neighbors, and at this dinner there was a Pepsi near your plate, and you partook of this drink...Coca Cola would have reasonable grounds for suspicion that it could terminate your employment?

If your daughter wanted a Pepsi, and you bought one for her, and took a sip. If someone at Coca Cola became aware of this transgression, they may have grounds for termination?
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If someone took a picture of me drinking a pepsi at that dinner coke would fire me, yes.
 
Slyhunter said:
If someone took a picture of me drinking a pepsi at that dinner coke would fire me, yes.
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So it's not the act of drinking the pepsi, it's the picture of drinking with a pepsi. Because of the public promotion of the product?
 
Slyhunter said:
correct.
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Can you re-read the contract? Above it clearly states that public promotion or "use" of services or "acts" of are covered.
 
Fiddytree said:
Can you re-read the contract? Above it clearly states that public promotion or "use" of services or "acts" of are covered.
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But it does not say "previous" use of services.
don't artificially inseminate while under the contract and don't talk about the fact that you've done it in the past.
Problem solved.
 
Slyhunter said:
But it does not say "previous" use of services.
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Correct, but would Coke be willing to fire you merely for the future act of drinking a Pepsi (without photographic evidence, without intent of promotion or selling, and so forth)?
 
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